...in class today. And I realized how tired I am of hearing it. What's the point of working hard if you can't water your grass everyday and have the greenest yard in the neighborhood? What's the point of working hard if you can't wash your big ass SUV every week and have a shiny car to cruise around town in? What's the point of working hard if you can't buy a new TV or computer and throw your old one out whenever you fucking want to?

Why do they think we bust our asses? We do it for the money so we can have the freedom to do whatever the fuck we want. And they want to make us feel guilty about that? Bullshit.

If another country was in our position, they'd be doing the exact same thing. Just like every super power before us has done the exact same thing.

1/17/2007 5:24:59 PM

does it make it responsible?

1/17/2007 5:42:23 PM

wow

but yeah



whats the point of working and being a zombie if you don't have goals

I know that for me to have the things I want, I'm gonna have to work my ass off

1/17/2007 5:49:18 PM

No, it's not responsible. But I think we need to stop talking about it because it's never gonna change. The only way they'll get us to stop wasting is if they tax the shit out of shit. And we won't let that happen because we won't vote for someone who wants to tax us four times over for washing our clothes too often.

It's never gonna change, and they should give it a rest and put all their attention on something they can actually change.

My professor was talking about how we waste water and how Africans are dying because of polluted water supplies. And I'm thinking, "What the fuck does Joe America washing his car on the weekend have to do with Joe Africa shitting in his own fucking water supply?" We can get clean water in Africa if we're persistent, but lay off the car washers and the daily shower-takers.

1/17/2007 5:50:55 PM

i saved up all of my welfare checks so that i could put 24" rims on my 83 chevy caprice

1/17/2007 6:05:34 PM

1/17/2007 6:11:09 PM

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"My professor was talking about how we waste water and how Africans are dying because of polluted water supplies. And I'm thinking, "What the fuck does Joe America washing his car on the weekend have to do with Joe Africa shitting in his own fucking water supply?" We can get clean water in Africa if we're persistent, but lay off the car washers and the daily shower-takers."

well water supply in the US is in no means connected to Africas...so this just means THEY can't wash their donkeys every day...while we can wash our cars every day.

1/17/2007 6:22:32 PM

holy shit for once i agree with bridget

1/17/2007 6:32:17 PM

Do you think you work'd harder then joe africa to get to where you are, or do you think that maybe circumstance had something to do with it?

I don't think that anyone that has the wealth that they have in the US has gotten it by working 'harder' then a farming family in kenya. Joe africa certianly wasn't offered any academic scholarships.

I'm not saying this is true of everyone, but I think a lot of the reason that they tell you these things is not to get you to stop, but to appreciate what you have and realize that there are things you can do to improve the lives of others. Maybe donate that computer you are tossing next time, I think that's all they want.

1/17/2007 6:55:11 PM

i think you completely missed the point and took this way too personal


btw when's the last time you bought a $500,000 car

1/17/2007 6:56:57 PM

^^you summed it up exactly how i was thinking about it. i think of it as a privilege and lucky to be born in america. my cousins in brazil work much harder in school or work, but will never be able to earn or have the spending power as i have.

1/17/2007 7:04:20 PM

there is nothing wrong with taking advatnage of opportunity

sadly, most americans don't

1/17/2007 7:11:49 PM

Yes, you've encountered socialists. It's no fun is it?

Those same socialists likely believe the UN could solve all those problems if the evil United States would just cooperate--but wait. . .

Ex-chief of UN oil-for-food program is charged
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/17/america/web.0117nations.php

Oops!

[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 7:27 PM. Reason : PS: And the scam could go even higher up the ladder. ]

1/17/2007 7:24:40 PM

you can enjoy the fruits of your labor and live a lavish life and not be as wasteful all at the same time

1/17/2007 7:28:32 PM

^^ladies and gentlemen, the master of the fallacy and the strawman has spoken!

1/17/2007 8:18:57 PM

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"Do you think you work'd harder then joe africa to get to where you are, or do you think that maybe circumstance had something to do with it?"

The US just surpassed Japan to reclaim its place as the hardest working country. The US didn't happen by accident; people have worked harder and smarter than the other guys to make it what it is today. And we're still working hard and smart. As a group, we deserve what we have. It's not luck.

No super power before us has ever had to be "responsible" in terms of the globe. And all those fucking Europeans calling us lazy and wasteful, like it's something new. And we're not fucking lazy. We work more hours per week and more days per year than all those fuckers. They're just fucking jealous.

1/17/2007 8:39:17 PM

^^ Ladies and gentlemen, booger! Read his kooky posts! They're a laugh riot!

BTW, refute this:

1/17/2007 8:51:46 PM

who hacked Bridget's account?

1/17/2007 9:03:28 PM

http://www.getusout.org/ !!!!!







[Edited on January 17, 2007 at 9:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2007 9:13:24 PM

^^ Ha!

1/17/2007 9:15:27 PM

I'm a contrary person. This professor spent the entire class period sharing his opinions on family, religion, gender roles, money, and all sorts of other issues, and his opinions were so fucking boring and liberal and superficial and blah that, by the end, I was sick of him and myself.

I still wanna legalize drugs, prostitution, and gambling. And put free condoms in middle schools and prisons. Start public daycare and public pre-school. And all sorts of other crazy liberal shit.

1/17/2007 9:20:20 PM

and this is why abunch of dudes in animal fur from Germany and smelly Huns from Asia destroyed the Roman Empire.

1/17/2007 9:23:26 PM

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" This professor spent the entire class period sharing his opinions on family, religion, gender roles, money, and all sorts of other issues"

you have two options.

kill him
drop the class

1/17/2007 9:43:54 PM

Bridgetspk your post was pretty sickening to be honest. Sure we all are guilty of "being wasteful" to some extent but for you to just blow it off and say you don't care about the rest of the world and dont understand why anybody else cares just because you are in the position to is selfish and very snobbish.

We happen to have hold of more resources than any other nation but that doesn't mean we deserve to live and nobody else does.

We are driving suvs and pumping co2 into the atmosphere at the cost of other peoples lives. Who do you think is going to be effected the most when the oceans rise several feet in the next 40 years?

Not the usa because we have the money and resources to overcome most problems but countries like BANGLADESH are going to complete chaos.

When we throw away our old computers do you know where is done with them? they are shipped out to the ivory coast and china for a small price but what the buyers don't know is the lead and other toxic chemicals are eventually going to seap into the water supply and give them all cancer.

o honey they're just jealous

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"We do it for the money so we can have the freedom to do whatever the fuck we want. And they want to make us feel guilty about that? Bullshit."

Anybody that is being wreckless and "doing whatever the fuck they want" should feel guilty.

1/17/2007 9:46:37 PM

^Don't call me honey unless you want to go by fag.

And, no, I don't feel guilty about driving an SUV. They need to get on top of creating other fuels and modes of transportation and incentivizing hybrid purchases and leave me the fuck alone.

1/17/2007 9:55:51 PM

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"The US just surpassed Japan to reclaim its place as the hardest working country. "

I'm curious as to your definition of hard working. I don't think the CEO of a mid major corporation works any harder then a man planting soy in bolivia. The difference is, as you pointed out, that the CEO works 'smarter.' Well now, how did he get that knowledge? He probably went to school, that's not a luxury everyone has.

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"No super power before us has ever had to be "responsible" in terms of the globe "

Again, it's not because we have to be, it's because we should be. Sure, if we completely relied on ourselves and independently sustained ourselves with no effect outside our country, you could argue that we owed nothing to anyone. But we don't, we get oil from africa that pollutes their watersupply so you can drive your SUV. Oh, but that's ok, because their people get the money from the oil and can spend it on education and environmental issues. Problem is, they don't. It never trickles down to the people. We plant crops in soulth america, we use their resources, but they don't see our money.

I'm not saying don't drive your car or eat fruit that is out of season, and I don't think your professor was either. He was just showing you the effect of the american lifestyle on the world to hopefully get you to compromise.

1/17/2007 9:58:59 PM

Moderation and responsibility, folks. That is all.

1/17/2007 10:17:50 PM

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"I'm curious as to your definition of hard working."

Hours per week and days per year.

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"Oh, but that's ok, because their people get the money from the oil and can spend it on education and environmental issues. Problem is, they don't. It never trickles down to the people."

We could change that. But that's really hard. It's a lot easier to bitch about SUV drivers and not make any changes.

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"Again, it's not because we have to be, it's because we should be. Sure, if we completely relied on ourselves and independently sustained ourselves with no effect outside our country, you could argue that we owed nothing to anyone."

If I were you, I wouldn't wanna get into the who-owes-who game. We're a very young country and haven't had very long to accumulate debts compared to the rest of the world.

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"I'm not saying don't drive your car or eat fruit that is out of season, and I don't think your professor was either. He was just showing you the effect of the american lifestyle on the world to hopefully get you to compromise."

Except it's a ridiculously trite and superficial version of things.

(In case anyone was curious, this was done in my Interpersonal Communications class. LOL)

1/17/2007 10:21:29 PM

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"And, no, I don't feel guilty about driving an SUV. They need to get on top of creating other fuels and modes of transportation and incentivizing hybrid purchases and leave me the fuck alone."

So they need to create other fuels to stop you from polluting the air? It can't get much more selfish that that.

The only theing that icentivizes a purchase is price and thats not happening until the oil supply gets low enough to drive the price through the roof.

Bottom line is you have 5% of the worlds population that is rich shitting on the planet and it only really effects the other 95% of the population which can't do anything to protect themselves from a shittyfied planet anyway. But nobody should get mad at you because you're just better and deserve to do what the fuck you want because you were born better.

1/17/2007 11:57:02 PM

If you disagree with your professor, perhaps you have not studied policy or the externalities of our consumption practices. Chances are, if you actually you actually studied the subject with an open mind, you probably wouldn't have this opinion.

1/18/2007 12:18:10 AM

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"So they need to create other fuels to stop you from polluting the air? It can't get much more selfish that that."

No, they need to create other fuels because that's the smart, progressive thing to do. And we're running out of oil, and no significant portion of the world is going to start conserving it.

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"The only theing that icentivizes a purchase is price and thats not happening until the oil supply gets low enough to drive the price through the roof."

Actually, the government can create artificial incentives.

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"Bottom line is you have 5% of the worlds population that is rich shitting on the planet and it only really effects the other 95% of the population which can't do anything to protect themselves from a shittyfied planet anyway. But nobody should get mad at you because you're just better and deserve to do what the fuck you want because you were born better."

The thing I keep hearing is that we account for 14 percent of the world's population and use 40 percent of its resources. 40 is a little high, but consuming a disproportionate amount of resources is just a given, considering our industry, and it has nothing to do with this ridiculous notion of "being born better."

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 12:24 AM. Reason : sss]

1/18/2007 12:23:40 AM

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" Why do they think we bust our asses? We do it for the money so we can have the freedom to do whatever the fuck we want. And they want to make us feel guilty about that?"

These questions could probably be answered best by your professor.

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"40 is a little high, but consuming a disproportionate amount of resources is just a given, considering our industry"

American industry is driven directly by american desires

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 12:30 AM. Reason : .]

1/18/2007 12:27:12 AM

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"but consuming a disproportionate amount of resources is just a given, considering our industry, and it has nothing to do with this ridiculous notion of "being born better.""

Yes but its the whole being irresponsible and careless thing that has alot to do with the notion of "being born better" especially when you think its bullshit that someone is calling you out on it.
again

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"We do it for the money so we can have the freedom to do whatever the fuck we want."

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"Actually, the government can create artificial incentives."

yes its OUR government that needs to do this

1/18/2007 12:32:34 AM

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"These questions could probably be answered best by your professor."

It was just him talking and talking, and at the very end of class I answered his rhetorical question about if it's okay for us to consume all the resources. I was just joking and said, "Absolutely. Cause we can pay for them." It was a joke, but then I tried to defend it and made a total ass of myself. But I thought about it later, and I realized I kinda agreed with my initial joking contrariness.

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 12:35 AM. Reason : sss]

1/18/2007 12:34:17 AM

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"yes its OUR government that needs to do this"

Duh. I'm the one who brought that up.

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"American industry is driven directly by american desires"

Should we lose the whole capitalism thing or something?

Cause I'm totally down with that too.

1/18/2007 12:40:53 AM

from your posts, I surmise you have no understanding of the concept of sustainability

1/18/2007 12:50:27 AM

Absolutely none.

Wanna quit being vague and inform me?

I know it's easier to insist that if I studied the matter, I'd understand. But, let's face it...I'm not gonna study the matter.

1/18/2007 12:54:37 AM

I think what he's saying is that we need to pull this thing over

hop out

and give the keys to the UN

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 12:57 AM. Reason : because they know whats best]

1/18/2007 12:56:43 AM

No, he's saying that the world would be a better place if all 6.5 billion people drove 6-liter trucks.

1/18/2007 12:58:23 AM

probably so, my truck has better mileage than almost any other truck on the road

and less emissions


not to mention people would be happier if they rode in nicer vehicles

let me guess... you're about to play a game of "pass judgements and assume I am better than someone because of what they drive", right?

thats cool, it's a fun game too... we can also compare jobs, paychecks, lifestyle while we are at it since apparently you want to go that route

1/18/2007 1:04:24 AM

I was just pointing out how stupid it is to make strawmen all the time.

Because there is absolutely no middle-ground between conservation and letting the UN take over our government.

1/18/2007 1:07:20 AM

i wasn't making a strawman


is that the liberal word of the week?


I was being facetious more than anything


like... way over the top

you being the highly intelligent individual that you are probably already knew it though!11

1/18/2007 1:10:32 AM

With most people I can assume statements as dumb as that are sarcasm...

You and Tree, however...

1/18/2007 1:12:09 AM

yeah I'm smart enough to not do what you do...


hows that for a big dummy like myself

1/18/2007 1:13:59 AM

But not smart-enough to make responses that make sense

1/18/2007 1:18:47 AM

makes sense to me, thats really all that matters


I know that no matter what I type on here, neither you or your friends here will listen or care


whatever helps you sleep at night

1/18/2007 1:21:05 AM

Driving around in a large, shiny powerful vehicle.
Owning a nice house and some land.
Having a boat.
Earning many times what someone in the 3rd world does.
Eating huge meals.
Going out on the water and driving said boat around to the tune of 3mpg and then towing it home with large shiny vehicle to the tune of 10mpg.
Not having to worry about yourself, the government, or someone else taking what you've earned when it comes time to pay the bills for this type of lifestyle.

I'll be back later, the huge truck, ATV and boat are a little bit dirty and need washing. And poor people owe me rent money so I'll need to go drive over there in my big clean truck afterward and collect that.


Sounds like what constitutes success and the American Dream to me. What's wrong with that?

1/18/2007 1:23:20 AM

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"yeah I'm smart enough to not do what you do..."

Oooooh. You meant "teach."


You're living in hotels, drinking alone, doing unrewarding work. GG on that.

And you're fat.

And let's not forget the 45k post count; It feels like I've been glued to TWW for the past couple of days, and my posts/day still isn't as high as you've managed to keep yours over a three-year period. Wow


[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 1:39 AM. Reason : .]

1/18/2007 1:33:46 AM

^^Poor people owing you rent money?

Come on, dude, that's lame.

You coulda said something like, "And I just had another ingenuous idea that will solve one of the world's problems. Let me go develop and cash in on that."

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 1:34 AM. Reason : sss]

1/18/2007 1:34:27 AM

we can't all live poor.

1/18/2007 1:35:05 AM