http://www.observer.com/20070205/20070205_Jason_Horowitz_pageone_newsstory1.html

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"Mr. Biden is equally skeptical—albeit in a slightly more backhanded way—about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”"

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"Senator Joseph Biden doesn’t think highly of the Iraq policies of some of the other Democrats who are running for President. To hear him tell it, Hillary Clinton’s position is calibrated, confusing and “a very bad idea.” John Edwards doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is pushing a recipe for Armageddon in the Middle East. Barack Obama is offering charming but insubstantial fluff. And all of them are playing politics. “Let me put it this way,” Mr. Biden said. “You didn’t hear any one of them get in this debate at all until they announced for President.” Mr. Biden, who ran an ill-fated campaign for President in 1988, is a man who believes his time has finally come, announcing this week that he was filing papers to make his 2008 Presidential bid official. Although he admits to a tendency to “bloviate,” he thinks that an aggressive advocate with rough edges might be just what the party needs right now. “Democrats nominated the perfect blow-dried candidates in 2000 and 2004,” he said, “and they couldn’t connect.” Though Mr. Biden, 64, has never achieved his national ambitions, he has in recent years emerged as one of the party’s go-to experts on foreign policy. In the past week, he has spearheaded the Democratic pushback against the President’s plan to increase troop levels in Iraq, opposing the move with a non-binding resolution that his party has rallied around. On a recent weekday afternoon, he was discussing his rivals over a bowl of tomato soup in the corner of a diner in Delaware, about a 15-minute drive from his Senate office. He wore a red cardigan and blue shirt, periodically raising his raspy voice over the sound of loudspeakers summoning customers to pick up their sandwiches. He had showed up carrying a Mead notebook filled with handwritten talking points, but once he’d gotten started, he closed the book and pushed it aside. The subject he prefers to talk about these days—particularly when contrasting himself with his prospective Presidential rivals—is Iraq. Addressing Mrs. Clinton’s latest proposal to cap American troops and to threaten Iraqi leaders with cuts in funding, Mr. Biden lowered his voice and leaned in close over the table. Advertisement “From the part of Hillary’s proposal, the part that really baffles me is, ‘We’re going to teach the Iraqis a lesson.’ We’re not going to equip them? O.K. Cap our troops and withdraw support from the Iraqis? That’s a real good idea.” The result of Mrs. Clinton’s position on Iraq, Mr. Biden says, would be “nothing but disaster.” Most early polls show Mrs. Clinton as the party’s clear front-runner. Mr. Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is firmly in the thick of a pack of third-tier candidates. Still, he thinks that at such a precarious point in the nation’s history, voters are seeking someone with his level of experience to take the helm. “Are they going to turn to Hillary Clinton?” Biden asked, lowering his voice to a hush to explain why Mrs. Clinton won’t win the election. “Everyone in the world knows her,” he said. “Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can’t break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats? Where do you want to be? Do you want to be in a place where 100 percent of the Democrats know you? They’ve looked at you for the last three years. And four out of 10 is the max you can get?” Mr. Biden is equally skeptical—albeit in a slightly more backhanded way—about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” But—and the “but” was clearly inevitable—he doubts whether American voters are going to elect “a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,” and added: “I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.” "

[Edited on January 31, 2007 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

1/31/2007 11:36:22 AM

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"“You didn’t hear any one of them get in this debate at all until they announced for President.”"

what? wasnt obama on this issue from the beginning?

1/31/2007 11:39:14 AM

I'm pretty sure Biden has been doing this the longest. Obama might have complained some but afaik he and Hillary are more domestically minded naturally.

1/31/2007 11:43:35 AM

bidens chance of being president are now the same as mine.

1/31/2007 12:11:59 PM

I'd vote for a democrat if he'd leave my wallet and gun cabinet alone

1/31/2007 12:36:13 PM

He's a blowhard...but a smart blowhard.

1/31/2007 12:45:16 PM

i think the point is, clearly, that he sounds like a closet racist

that was a very poor choice of words

1/31/2007 12:49:55 PM

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"bidens chance of being president are now the same as mine."

I think they were right around there to start with.

1/31/2007 12:53:54 PM

^well he IS a senator.

1/31/2007 1:20:25 PM

^^^ ooo

shows how much i look into things. guess thats why i always sucked in poli sci

1/31/2007 4:29:29 PM

sad to say, but when you're a national political player, you CAN NOT go around making candid, unscripted, off-the-cuff observations to reporters.

you just can't do it.

no matter how smart you are.

1/31/2007 4:45:57 PM

http://thepoliticker.observer.com/2007/01/the-biden-tapes.html

Thats audio of his actual comments on Edwards, Obama and Hillary.
Short and sweet, he probably isnt a racist. But he is an absolute idiot, and needs to leave the presidential race right the fuck now.

1/31/2007 9:18:40 PM

he was on the daily show tonight and john stewart was on him about it

2/1/2007 1:01:23 AM

How can you be less well-spoken than George W Bush?

2/1/2007 2:14:26 AM

he appeared completely unprepared for his interview with Jon Stewart last night. It seemed like he expected Stewart to lob him softballs instead of grill him about his comments. I wouldn't say he was visibly "taken aback" by the questions - he played it off pretty cool-like, but he didn't even have any prepared statements to defend himself or anything, and didn't even appear all that concerned with what he said. And to Stewart's credit, he kept after him, albeit in a somewhat jovial way - i wonder what Tucker Carlson would have to say.....

2/1/2007 8:25:49 AM

Agreed. Probably doesn't mean it in an intentionally malicious way, but any politician who makes a big slip of the tongue like that should be given a second thought. I used to be more forgiving of this trait until we had a president who just doesn't seem yo know when to keep his mouth shut.

2/1/2007 9:36:29 AM

Task for TWW: compare contrast media reaction to Biden's remarks with any of the myriad shit-bricks they've dropped for republicans

2/1/2007 9:43:32 AM

i was waiting for that comment

OMG WHERE IS THE LIBERAL OUTRAGE?

2/1/2007 9:51:27 AM

o but i'm sure this situation is "different" in so many crucial ways

2/1/2007 10:15:51 AM

I know Biden's press secretary and I'll be meeting with him on Monday, I can't wait to ask him WTF on this

2/1/2007 10:22:34 AM

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"i was waiting for that comment OMG WHERE IS THE LIBERAL OUTRAGE?"

He has a point. If a republican had said something like that, it would be much bigger news than it is now. As it is now, I get the feeling that the media and general public reaction is "jeez.... why would he say something like that. that was dumb. golly!" If John McCain or even media darling Rudy Giuliani had said it, I think we would have seen much more people call a spade a spade, and say this was a racist comment, not unlike the "macaca incident".

I personally put his comment on the same level as someone saying "Obama's one of the 'good ones'", which I think everyone would agree is a backhanded racist thing to say (backhanded in that while technically you're saying something good about someone, it comes at the expense of implying something bad about everyone else in his race).

2/1/2007 10:37:31 AM

actually there has been a lot of liberal outrage over this. but then, why let facts bother you.

a lot of people expect the story to dissapear since he almost immediately called obama and obama accepted the apology without qualification.

2/1/2007 11:48:49 AM

the media reported it vs. outrage

2/1/2007 12:08:29 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html

From Howard Kurtz at the Washington Post in his column about the media.

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"Well, Joe Biden has managed to unite the left and the right in this country. Both sides agree that he did something idiotic... He is capable of great flights of eloquence--and of stepping on a sensitive part of his anatomy..."

Words by Kos from the Daily Kos, one of the modern personifications of Liberal Rage.

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""Really, if we live in a just world, this will be the end of Joe Biden's political career . . . It's clear his career has dragged on one election cycle too many.""

Unless Biden can pull a miracle out of nowhere, I'd say that his bid for President pretty much ended right there. Of course, given that he's up against the mighty Clinton Juggernaut and much more charismatic persons like Obama and Edwards, I'd say he never had much hope to begin with.

2/1/2007 1:57:21 PM

he's on the current (current like its on TV RIGHT NOW) daily show today...2:00pm to 2:30pm today thursday feb 1 2007

it must be a repeat from last night but hey, fyi, he's on in probaly ~9 minutes

2/1/2007 2:08:20 PM

i just remembered one more thing he did on TDS that was really strange. At one point, he half-heartedly try to defend what he said by claiming he really meant Obama was just "clean", or something. Whatever he said, it was really no better sounding than his original statement.

2/1/2007 2:16:22 PM

Biden quotes lol

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"Little bit like American Idol isnt it ha ha, ah ah"

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"I am (scared)...especially with guys from small states"

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"I don't think John Edwards knows what the heck he's talking about"

^yeah he said he meant he had fresh ideas when he said clean but stewart had to bail him out eventually

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 2:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2007 2:26:26 PM

o my that's funny, i wonder if the unbiased john stewart would've bailed out a republican in the same position

methinks [NO]

because TDS is biased as shit

2/1/2007 2:40:37 PM

^^ yeah, that was it.
it was just as bad - i was like "so you want to call Obama 'fresh'? he's a 'fresh, black man'? wtf does that mean....."


^ 1) TDS nor Jon Stewart never claimed to be un-biased. Unlike retarded shows like The O'Reilly Factor or Hannity & Colmbs, Jon Stwart doesn't get all high-and-mighty about being non-partisan or "fair and balanced".
2) Jon was harder on him than most interviewers would be.


[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2007 2:41:04 PM

right, but a large contingent of soapboxers tried to claim as such in a thread earlier this fall, saying things like, "jon's only hard on GOP because they're in charge" and shit like that

obviously its a redundant statement that he's promoting a liberal agenda. unfortunately there are a bunch of denialists

2/1/2007 2:46:48 PM

Stewart is a liberal, but he treats idiot democrats and republicans the same way. There are just more idiot republicans to target up until recently.

2/1/2007 3:01:01 PM

It's not Biden's first offense, either. Remember his unfortunate remarks about Indians?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIT3jUrNTX0

2/1/2007 3:07:16 PM

Stewart is the worse he just spouts off liberal propaganda and when he's held to task instead of standing up and defending his views he hides behind his poor sense of humor.

2/1/2007 3:11:00 PM

^ Did you not see his appearance on Larry King?

2/1/2007 3:15:00 PM

didnt he also plagiarize some speeches before?

2/1/2007 3:17:07 PM

I saw him on crossfire everyone thought he was so funny it was lame and he refused to even argue his points he kept hiding behind his comedy show. That was all I needed to know. His show's not even funny

2/1/2007 3:32:14 PM

He argues his points on his show.

2/1/2007 3:41:52 PM

and then if he is arguing something seriously and if someone calls him out on a factual error or extreme bias he can always hide behind the comedy guise

2/1/2007 3:47:10 PM

RARRR jon stewart makes me so maaad

2/1/2007 3:48:45 PM

^^When has there been a legitimate claim of either against him that he didn't resolve?

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ]

2/1/2007 3:51:01 PM

there are plenty of times when someone calls him out on one of his cliche arguments and he just changes the subject

he's got a clever tactic...he gets his college aged liberal sheep in the audience to believe whatever he says...he asks questions one those same premises to guests and if they intelligently retort his claim he makes a joke to play it off...its his whole MO

2/1/2007 3:56:51 PM

well what the shit is his MO supposed to be?

2/1/2007 4:02:09 PM

His MO should be he should either stick to fake news or real news the way it is he's doing like Carmello taking cheap shots and running away

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2007 4:06:06 PM

you need to look up the word "satire"

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 4:08 PM. Reason : .,]

2/1/2007 4:08:02 PM

SNL is satire...people dont think SNL is being serious half the time...TDS is not satire except when its a convenient way to back out of an argument

2/1/2007 4:15:39 PM

The Colbert Report is satire.
The Daily Show is a cynical and sometimes satirical look at the news. Jon Stewart himself is not satirical so much, but most of the correspondents, the "human interest stories", etc are satirical.
Speaking of, the "Senior Black Correspondent" is awesome. His little bit last nght about Black History Month was great. "It's a month where white people have to pretend to care about black people, and black people have to pretend to care about history"

and SNL, in general, is not satire. it's just comedy, or it's supposed to be. Even Weekend Update is generally non-satirical. It's usually just as satirical as Letterman or Leno are during their monologues (which is to say, little to none). Some of the sketches, like Nancy Grace or the presidential impressions, range from parody to satire.

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2007 4:25:25 PM

the SNL political sketches are usually political...I meant the way SNL handles politics is satire

2/1/2007 4:29:44 PM

Liberals like Jon Stewart because he takes cheap shots at Conservatives. But its true that any time someone calls him out for his BS he just goes "MY SHOW IS ON COMEDY CENTRAL!!"...which is true. But he is played up like some god of liberalism when he is just a clown

2/1/2007 6:11:49 PM

like rush limbaugh

2/1/2007 6:12:55 PM

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"RARRR jon stewart makes me so maaad "

2/1/2007 6:13:11 PM