"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an acknowledgement that his
arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore. The reason men are silenced
is not because they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if they speak truly, there is nothing
which can be used against them -- except force."


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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/loss-for-holocaust-hoax-site/2007/02/02/1169919538081.html

Loss for Holocaust hoax site

Jacqueline Maley
February 3, 2007

A FAR-RIGHT Christian group has been ordered to remove from its website a hate-filled
newsletter that refers to the "Holocaust hoax" and claims Jews have "monopolistic control"
over the world's media and film.

The Executive Council of Australian Jewry sued a group called Bible Believers and the man who
calls himself the organisation's pastor for material on the website, which they said portrayed Jews
as "inherently malevolent towards other people".

The Federal Court ruled that some parts of the website, which is controlled by pastor Anthony
Grigor-Scott, contravened the Racial Discrimination Act. The act prohibits the publication of
material "reasonably likely to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate" a group on the grounds of its
race or ethnic origin.

The offensive newsletter, entitled "Lies and the First Anniversary of the 9/11 Conspiracy",
included claims the Holocaust had been used by Jews to raise money and as an excuse for foreign
expansion and warmongering.

Mr Grigor-Scott defended himself in court, telling the judge that "my territory is the territory of
God and we don't argue".

He did not disown any of the material published on the Bible Believers' site and claimed that the
matters raised on it were of "academic interest".

Mr Grigor-Scott's defence was rejected and he was ordered to remove the material from the
website. He was also prohibited from republishing it and ordered to pay the applicant's costs.

Before starting action in the Federal Court, the Executive Council of Australian Jewry made a
complaint to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission, but the commission terminated
the complaint on the grounds that there was no prospect of the matter being settled through
conciliation.

Despite the ruling, the offensive material had not been taken down from the website as the Herald
went to press last night.

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http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/

2/5/2007 12:51:21 PM

2/5/2007 12:53:57 PM

Telling the truth about the Holocaust hoax, 9/11, and many other issues is "offensive"
to the Jewish establishment.

The truth must be censored. Freedom of speech be damned. Only the "official" propaganda lies are to be taught and believed by the masses.

2/5/2007 12:56:45 PM

*yawn*

2/5/2007 1:00:34 PM

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

~Noam Chomsky

2/5/2007 1:05:56 PM

Why are you quoting an anarcho-socialist? They hate God too, you know.

2/5/2007 1:12:06 PM

So are the jews responsible for this?

2/5/2007 1:15:50 PM

Quote :

"So are the jews responsible for this?""

Quote :

"The Executive Council of Australian Jewry sued a group called Bible Believers and the man who calls himself the organisation's pastor for material on the website, which they said portrayed Jews as "inherently malevolent towards other people"."

2/5/2007 1:21:52 PM

Australian Jews? That has to be an odd group of people.

2/5/2007 1:25:14 PM

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=457737&page=1#9881779

So its ok for you to get pissed off when someone blames 9/11 on Christian Conservatives, but its not ok for jews to be offended when someone blames 9/11 on them?

2/5/2007 1:28:13 PM

2/5/2007 1:35:40 PM

Quote :

"So its ok for you to get pissed off when someone blames 9/11 on Christian Conservatives, but its not ok for jews to be offended when someone blames 9/11 on them?"

Objecting to a viewpoint and voicing that opposition is one thing, but arguing for censorship for those you disagree with is quite another.

I'm not afraid of letting those I disagree with voice their opinion or make their argument. What is true, logical, and has evidence to support it will carry the day. And lies and falsehoods will be exposed.

The reason to censor something is when you wish to suppress the truth.

Quote :

"The offensive newsletter, entitled "Lies and the First Anniversary of the 9/11 Conspiracy", included claims the Holocaust had been used by Jews to raise money and as an excuse for foreign expansion and warmongering."

And here it is:

Lies and the First Anniversary of the 9/11 Conspiracy
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl242.htm

2/5/2007 1:59:23 PM

Quote :

"What is true, logical, and has evidence to support it will carry the day."

Your biblebelievers article has none of that.

In fact, as of late, neither do you.

2/5/2007 2:10:19 PM

"The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859


"Books won't stay banned. They won't burn. Ideas won't go to jail. In the long run of history, the censor and the inquisitor have always lost. The only weapon against bad ideas is better ideas." ~Alfred Whitney Griswold

2/6/2007 8:22:09 AM

Tha j00z be f00z~ John Stuart Mill

2/6/2007 3:37:56 PM

2/6/2007 3:54:41 PM

Why do people question the holocaust?
http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2007/01/why-do-people-question-holocaust.html

2/6/2007 5:34:16 PM

that guy is just as delusional as you are

2/6/2007 5:42:56 PM

I love how instead of actually defending his ideas like an adult he just pulls on of these:

LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE! INSTEAD OF DEFENDING MY OWN IDEAS I'LL LET THIS WEBSITE DO IT! THAT WAY I WON'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE WHEN SOMEONE POINTS OUT A FLAW IN THE LOGIC! I'LL JUST SAY THAT I POSTED IT FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE READERS!!!

2/6/2007 6:16:19 PM

if you all want to really piss him off go to http://www.campusblender.com/message_section.aspx?section=1530

look for posts by overthrower and go ahead and post the topics here before he gets a chance, be sure to include his follow up posts

bonus points if its really racist

2/6/2007 6:19:57 PM

2/6/2007 8:41:38 PM

Memo to Holocaust deniers from Men at Work:

"You better run, you better take cova'"

2/7/2007 12:34:05 PM

http://www.campusblender.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=245289
http://www.campusblender.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=221954
http://www.campusblender.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=253246

THIS IS GOLD

2/7/2007 12:53:04 PM

Fuck Noam Chomsky.

2/7/2007 1:01:14 PM

GRRRR HE INSULTED AMERICA!!!

2/7/2007 1:07:02 PM

i especially love this one: "Black mob savagely beats white women (hate crime)"

2/7/2007 1:14:08 PM

chembob, it only counts if you make a new topic

dont forget to copy his formatting too

2/7/2007 3:09:04 PM

One of Noam Chomsky's books:


Here's Noam with good friend and dictator Fidel Castro:


BTW, this REAL American hero, Pat Tillman, wanted to debate Chomsky once Tillman returned from Afghanistan--but sadly, he didn't make it back:

2/8/2007 1:14:08 AM

out of complete curiosity, have you ever read Chomsky?

2/8/2007 1:24:05 AM

^ Yes, have you?

2/8/2007 1:42:49 AM

Quite naturally I have. Don't you know he is the father of the socialist agenda?

2/8/2007 1:57:14 AM

^^^^



[Edited on February 8, 2007 at 2:13 AM. Reason : Link]

2/8/2007 2:13:02 AM

and the point of this iconography is?

2/8/2007 2:53:24 AM

Quote :

"and the point of this iconography is?"

to forget that Tillman was going to meet with Chomsky because he admired him

Quote :

"Interviews also show a side of Pat Tillman not widely known — a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty. He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books on World War II and Winston Churchill to works of leftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author."

Quote :

"Mary Tillman said a friend of Pat’s even arranged a private meeting with Chomsky, the antiwar author, to take place after his return from Afghanistan — a meeting prevented by his death. She said that although he supported the Afghan war, believing it justified by the Sept. 11 attacks, “Pat was very critical of the whole Iraq war.”"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/25/MNGD7ETMNM1.DTL

I know it's from a San Francisco paper, but I don't even think they can get away with falsely quoting his own mother.

2/8/2007 3:13:35 AM

^ And I have been critical of the Iraq war, too. Sports Illustrated was the source that reported Tillman wanted to debate Chomsky, but I'm sure some of you have never read that magazine.

2/8/2007 9:04:09 PM

nevermind my subscription.

2/8/2007 9:18:23 PM

tillman's mother said he was a chomsky fan, she trumps all magazines

2/8/2007 10:07:20 PM

haha, pwnt.

2/8/2007 10:07:54 PM

^ Pwnt yourself in the ass, fucker. I'll find the article, don't worry your little head. Are your mothers always right about you?

2/8/2007 11:00:55 PM

the correct answer is actually why the fuck does any of this matter
but egging you on is more fun

2/8/2007 11:03:52 PM

^ Yes, but the flame knows no master--it can burn all equally.

2/8/2007 11:18:50 PM

hooksaw, youre a fool


[Edited on February 9, 2007 at 1:17 AM. Reason : ]

2/9/2007 1:16:51 AM

^ Remember when you told me personal attacks are uncalled for, Rob? What's changed?

2/9/2007 1:38:27 AM

its okay if i do it.


just not you.



and anyhow, it's not an attack if it's true.

2/9/2007 2:07:23 AM

^ Fuck off, schmoe. Did you have a bad day--again?

2/9/2007 2:17:52 AM

lol

2/9/2007 2:23:02 AM

^ Goddammit! Were you fucking with me? Shit, I must be one of the easiest TWW-ers to troll ever--and that's coming from me!

2/9/2007 2:39:10 AM