kdawg(c) Suspended 10008 Posts user info edit post |
Chuck Norris was cold, so he turned the sun up.
KA-CHOW!
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Chuck Norris doesn't get cold 2/9/2007 10:07:20 PM |
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Cold gets Chuck Norris 2/9/2007 10:07:59 PM |
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buwhahahaha I chuckled 2/10/2007 12:46:27 AM |
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aaronburro Sup, B 53065 Posts user info edit post |
wait, u can lock it, right? NOT FAIR 2/10/2007 1:11:29 AM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
I have a friend who is getting her PhD in all this environment stuff. I trust her cause she basically camps in Virginia while she's earning her degree and teaching classes and doing research n shit. (She's very devoted and open.)
I just wish somebody would come out with a decently credited movie that opposed An Inconvenient Truth so folks could have something else to turn to.
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aaronburro Sup, B 53065 Posts user info edit post |
dude, wait. what? 2/10/2007 1:37:36 AM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
What are you "dude waiting" for?
Where's the opposing movie?
For every set of articles, there's one against them...so where is the 1/3 movie against that Al Gore shit? 2/10/2007 1:42:23 AM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53065 Posts user info edit post |
i thought for a second you were calling Gore's movie BS and I was confused 2/10/2007 1:46:22 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Bulled by a Gore September 13, 2006 12:00am
Andrew Bolt writes: The former US vice-president's ludicrous scaremongering contains exaggerations, half-truths and falsehoods.
Al Gore says his hot new film on global warming, An Inconvenient Truth, should alert us to a threat that risks "ending all human civilisation." Instead, the hosannahs the former American vice-president is getting on his visit to spread his ludicrous scaremongering reveals a more immediate danger.
Is healthy scepticism and fidelity to facts dead in this country?
Are even our scientists too gripped by this end-of-the-world religion of man-made warming to dare point out Gore's documentary contains exaggerations, half-truths and falsehoods?
'Fraid so. It's one predictable thing for film critics such as the ABC's David Stratton to gush that An Inconvenient Truth -- essentially a film of a lecture I've seen Gore give -- might be "the most important film you ever see".
Stratton, after all, has his profession's weakness for assuming that what he sees on the screen must be real. Let's hope he never sees Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.
And the Gore-praising journalists must be grudgingly excused, too. Many tend to be salvation-seeking suckers for any green story that damns wicked humans and their rich ways.
(In fact, ABC TV was so eager to promote Gore that it ran two big interviews with him on Monday night, so viewers who dozed off during one might wake up in the middle of the next without missing a syllable. But I was banned by Gore's publicists from interviewing him, not being sufficiently reverential in the ABC way.)
Of course, I make allowances for the fact that to challenge Gore's claims is to risk being denounced not as wrong but as evil. I sure found that out when I once pointed out to the holy roller a couple of flaws in his argument and watched him pop.
Yet how sad that even our scientists are too cowed or too evangelical to note more than a flicker of concern that Gore in his film tortures truth to scare the be-Gaia out of our youngsters.
In the United States, scientists as eminent as Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric science at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology, have denounced Gore's film as "shrill alarmism" or simply wrong in critical parts.
But here? The Age, for instance, surveyed seven local scientists who'd seen the film and all gave it four stars out of five or higher.
"I was really quite moved," declared Dr Penny Whetton, CSIRO's Climate Change Impact and Risk group leader. "Its scientific basis is very sound."
In fact, the worst that any said was that there was a "minor quibble" with Gore claiming all sorts of natural disasters were "due to human activity".
Oh, is that all? Falsely blaming hurricanes, vanishing glaciers, great floods and more all on wicked humans is now just a "minor quibble"?
Yes, it is true, the planet warmed until 1940, then cooled until around 1970 before warming again until 1998 -- producing a net warming of around 0.6 degrees.
It is also true that carbon dioxide tends to trap heat, and that over the past half century (since the worst of this warming) we've pumped out a lot of it. And it's true most climate scientists think this is one cause -- probably the biggest, say many -- of global warming.
But even on that there is no agreement. And the rest is even more strongly debated.
Yet from this scientific uncertainty has been constructed a Gospel of the Green Apocalypse, to doubt which gets you likened to Holocaust deniers and Big Tobacco shills.
So who dares to point out that Gore is just one of the worst of the fact-fiddling Green evangelicals, who jet in a cloud of gasses to warn us that the boogieman is going to eat our children?
Well, here are just 10 of my own "minor quibbles" with Gore's film. These are my own "inconvenient truths", and judge from them the credibility of Gore's warnings of the end of all civilisation.
1: Gore claims that a survey of 928 scientific articles on global warming showed not one disputed that man's gasses were mostly to blame for rising global temperatures. Only dumb journalists and bad scientists in the pay of Big Oil pretended there was any genuine debate.
In fact, as Dr Benny Peiser, from Liverpool John Moores University has demonstrated, Gore relies on a bungled survey reported in Science.
Peiser checked again and found just 13 of those 928 papers explicitly endorsed man-made global warming, and 34 rejected or doubted it. The debate is real.
2: Gore says the man who first made him realise we were heating up the earth was his late professor, oceanographer Roger Revelle, who noticed carbon dioxide levels were increasing.
In fact, Revelle shortly before his death co-authored a paper warning that "the scientific basis for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time". And some warming might even be good, he added.
3: Gore says ice cores from Antarctica, that go back 650,000 years, show the world got warmer each time there was more carbon dioxide in the air.
In fact, as the University of California's Professor Jeff Severinghaus and others note, at least three studies of ice cores show the earth first warmed and only then came more carbon dioxide, many hundreds of years later. So does extra carbon dioxide cause a warming world, or vice versa?
4: Gore shows a series of slides of vanishing lakes (like Lake Chad) and snow fields (like Mt Kilimanjaro's) and blames global warming for it all.
In fact, Lake Chad is so shallow it nearly dried out as far back as 1908, and again in 1984. So many more people depend on it now that the water pumped out for irrigation has quadrupled in 25 years. No wonder it's drying.
And Mt Kilimanjaro was losing its snows more than a century ago, not because of global warming, but -- says a 2004 study in Nature -- largely because deforestation has cut the moisture in the air.
And that worrying picture Gore shows of vanishing glaciers in the Himalayas? Newcastle University researchers last month said some glaciers there are now getting bigger again.
5: Gore shows scary maps of how New York and Shanghai would drown under 20 feet (600cm) of water if all Greenland's ice melted.
In fact, various studies say Greenland's snow cover -- and Antarctica's -- is increasing or stable. The scientists of even the fiercely pro-warming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predict seas will rise (as they have for centuries) not by Gore's 600cm by 2100, but by between 14 and 43cm.
6: Gore claims the seas have already risen so high that New Zealand has had to take in refugees from drowning Pacific islands.
In fact, the Australian National Tidal Facility at Tuvalu in 2002 reported: "The historical record from 1978 through 199 indicated a sea level rise of 0.07 mm per year." Or the width of a hair.
Says Auckland University climate scientist Chris de Frietas: "I can assure Mr Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas."
7: Gore claims global warming has helped cause coral reefs "all around the world" to bleach.
In fact, new research from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration shows the seas rapidly cooled from 2003 to 2005. And most bleaching is caused by El Nino events.
8: Gore claims hurricanes are getting worse because of global warming, and he shows pictures from Hurricane Katrina.
In fact, America has this year had fewer hurricanes than usual. And most hurricane experts agree with Dr Chris Landsea of the US National Hurricane Centre, who says "there has been no change in the number and intensity of (the strongest) hurricanes around the world in the last 15 years".
9: Gore claims warming is causing new diseases and allowing malarial mosquitoes to move to higher altitudes.
In fact, says Professor Paul Reiter, head of the Pasteur Institute's unit of insects and infectious diseases: "Gore is completely wrong here." Reiter says "the new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago" and "none of the 30 so-called new diseases Gore references are attributable to global warming".
10: Gore never even hints at other possible explanations scientists have given for the warming globe.
And here's just one: increased solar activity. That's a theory suggested by leading American scientists such as Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon, Fred Singer and Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences.
Some even predict we're about to suffer a new bout of global cooling. Says Professor Bill Gray, world hurricane authority from Colorado State University: "My belief is that three, four years from now, the globe will start to cool again."
Or as Khabibullo Abdusamatov, head of the Russian Sciences astronomical observatory, warned last week: "On the basis of our (solar emission) research, we developed a scenario of a global cooling of the Earth's climate by the middle of this century."
I'm sorry to raise these inconvenient truths just when so many of our scientists seem to prefer the certainties of faith over the uncertainties of evidence.
But can we please have an adult discussion about global warming without the usual shrieks of outrage from people who think demanding this evidence is blasphemous?
We are talking about science, right? But too much of this talk now sounds far too religious to me.
Join Andrew's blog at blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt
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aaronburro Sup, B 53065 Posts user info edit post |
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Here's plenty more:
The real deal? Against the grain: Some scientists deny global warming exists Lawrence Solomon, National Post Published: Friday, February 02, 2007
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=156df7e6-d490-41c9-8b1f-106fef8763c6&k=0
The oceans may be warming and air temperatures rising, but in recent days Iceland has bucked the global climate trend.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/04/wbears04.xml
100-inch snow dump possible in upstate N.Y. More than 70 inches so far in places, squalls likely through weekend AP Updated: 8:14 p.m. ET Feb 8, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17042993/
New Volcano Type Found in Pacific? Brian Handwerk for National Geographic News July 27, 2006 A new type of volcano may be heating up the floor of the western Pacific Ocean.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060727-new-volcano.html
Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball Monday, February 5, 2007
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm
Climate theories collide at OMSI Global warming - Experts debate what's driving the change: nature or humans Wednesday, January 31, 2007 Gethin Chamberlain, Sunday Telegraph Last Updated: 12:46am GMT 04/02/2007
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/117022656254420.xml&coll=7
Gov. Ted Kulongoski wants to make it perfectly clear who has the official word on global warming in Oregon: He does. Global warming - Kulongoski wants contrarian meteorologist George Taylor to stop speaking for the state Saturday, February 10, 2007 MICHELLE COLE and MICHAEL MILSTEIN
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1171083308311040.xml&coll=7
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BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^Man, y'all really showed me. Except not all...
She (my friend) thinks it's silly to give a shit.
[Edited on February 10, 2007 at 2:47 AM. Reason : But if you genuinely come across this movie let us know, cause it's more than she's seen...] 2/10/2007 2:44:58 AM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
Way to completely pwn the scientific community with your links to blogs and 3rd rate online newspapers.
Someone call the National Board of Scientists and tell them they're all wrong; some people with internet access and a degree disagree with them. 2/10/2007 2:51:06 AM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^Dude, no!
We all know they're jokes...why post to them seriously? 2/10/2007 2:55:16 AM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
ibtl 2/10/2007 3:13:10 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ The Oregonian? (It is the oldest continually published newspaper on the West Coast.)MSNBC? (NEWSFLASH: It is not a newspaper!) National Geographic? (It is a society and a magazine.)
Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid, comrade.
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Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
National Geographic: New type of volcano found-- nowhere in the article does it say that heating the bottom of the ocean has any affect on climate. Nor does it say that these are new, thus they wouldn't have any affect on recent climate change. Regardless, should I find links to the countless of articles I've read in NG that support the scientific consensus?
MSNBC: Wow! Snow storms! Dumbass.
Oregonian: "Hey, this one guy disagrees"
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Fuck you--you're the fucking dumbass.
2/10/2007 3:32:37 AM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
hahahah
"OH YEAH, MAN! WELL SCREW YOU, OK?!" 2/10/2007 3:35:22 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Keep ignoring the facts, k?
2/10/2007 3:36:54 AM |
Lumex All American 3666 Posts user info edit post |
The National Geographic and MSNBC articles have nothing to do with global warming. The Oregonian article is one scientist making a personal statement against global warming (he has done no studies, no research).
Be aware that Global Warming is not a uniform trend. It causes some places (notably the oceans and icecaps) to become warmer and other places to become colder. 2/10/2007 4:27:01 AM |
eyedrb All American 5853 Posts user info edit post |
To me the whole global warming issue is stupid. If they would just come out against pollution I dont think anyone would argue that. instead they come out with the package Global warming, which people will argue whether its happening or not, instead of dealing with lowering pollution.
On one hand you would have to think that there is a negative effect of pollution on the environment. On the other hand ive seen EVERYTHING get blamed on global warming. Its too hot...its global warming..its too cold...global warming... Bees wont have sex...global warming.. The sun set in the west today...global warming. Couple that with the fact that the people pushing global warming and warning others about the dire state our planet is in, fly everywhere in thier private jets and have SUVs take them to thier venue.
I tend to side with this being more political than scientific. Im sure most of you are too young to remember the "ice age" that was coming in the late 70s, after a couple years of unually cold weather. 2/10/2007 7:32:54 AM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
As it stands now, CO2 is not a pollutant. This matters, so people make honest arguments, instead of simply choosing the battles they know they can win.
And the global cooling thing was never embraced by the scientific community. It was a few scientists and some journalists making a mountain out of molehill of evidence. It's a prime example of poisoning the well. 2/10/2007 10:18:27 AM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
SCAREMONGERING!!!!!!!!!!! 2/10/2007 10:39:09 AM |
God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
I think the truth is just too inconvenient for hooksaw. 2/10/2007 10:55:59 AM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
dumping toxic waste is the truth 2/10/2007 1:06:47 PM |