Anybody have pictures of our banner? Any pictures from the season or anything like that? All these UNC jerkfaces think they're the only ACC team thats had an undefeated basketball season or something

2/12/2007 12:41:36 PM

do they not believe that it happened?

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 12:45 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2007 12:45:19 PM

some of them are so dumb they probably dont

but i think more of them are just unaware "what? you mean other teams from the conference besides carolina and duke have had success in basketball?"

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 12:46 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2007 12:45:47 PM

i figured i'd try and find a picture of the banners just for fun. way harder than i anticipated.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 12:55 PM. Reason : no pictahs]

2/12/2007 12:48:53 PM

seriously...i cant find a banner picture and i thought i recalled seeing a sports illustrated cover with something about going undefeated but cant find that either?

2/12/2007 1:05:27 PM

2/12/2007 1:09:38 PM

We lost one game in 2 years.

Quote :

"He was my inspiration."

-Michael Jordan

http://www.sportsspectrum.com/dthompson/index.html

2/12/2007 1:09:59 PM

P.S.



[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 1:12 PM. Reason : Sid was just as pimpin back then.]

2/12/2007 1:11:59 PM

Can you wait a day? I can take one at the game tomorrow.

2/12/2007 1:12:06 PM

^i can wait as long as needed to talk shit to the tarholes lol

i was thinking those covers with walton are from 1974 but im not complaining

but my boy hits me up with this dumb shit on some "Do ya'll have one of these" http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2282028940066076100hgYawF

2/12/2007 1:17:07 PM

couldn't find a picture of the banner, but found a cool article

http://home.carolina.rr.com/mcguires/greatest_college_basketball_game.htm

2/12/2007 1:17:20 PM

do we even have a banner? we were under probation that year, so we never even played post season.

2/12/2007 1:20:43 PM

^^

Quote :

"In 40 minutes of up tempo basketball, there was not one turnover, not one. The only turnovers of the game came in overtime and turned out to be critical. There was such offensive excellence, the losing team shot 62 percent"

2/12/2007 1:21:33 PM

^^ yes, we have a banner.

2/12/2007 1:22:03 PM

Yeah we have a 1973 Undefeated Season 27-0 banner that hangs to the left of the 1974 NCAA Championship banner.

I really like this quote:

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""In North Carolina there was God, and then there was David Thompson." -Cedric Maxwell, former NBA player and UNC-Charlotte alumnus"

2/12/2007 1:22:49 PM

interesting. it sucks though that we were undefeated but didnt win the NC.

2/12/2007 1:22:50 PM

^Hence some validation for the hatred by many State fans for Dean Smith.

2/12/2007 1:24:04 PM

Didn't Dean have something to do with us being on probation?

I always thought Dean Smith reported a recruiting violation when we got DT....whatever it was, it was well worth it.

2/12/2007 1:25:57 PM

Yeah DT stayed the night with his older high school buddy in his dorm room on his recruiting visit. Apparently that was considered free room and board and Dean found out about it and turned us in. I just call it being smart. Heck if I'm visiting a school and a friend of mine goes there, I'm gonna try and stay at his place instead of forking money out for a hotel room.

2/12/2007 1:35:32 PM

Yes, both Dook and NCSU got probation for DT's recruitment. DT got in a pickup game at NCSU that the NCAA decided was a "tryout", even though he was already committed and everyone knew he was phenomenal. A Dook booster gave him gifts. Whoever landed DT was likely to get on probation, b/c of both how highly coveted DT was and the bizarre regulations and lack of sophistication of the NCAA at the time.

The really shady stuff was from Gardner Webb. The NCAA has thick files on UNC, NCSU, and Duke's recruitment of DT, and a file twice as thick for GW.

2/12/2007 1:46:27 PM

^^I thought the staying with a friend was after he came up here 2 weeks before orientation, and he had also caught a ride with an assistant or former assistant that was driving up to Raleigh anyway (didn't pay for his own transportation).

2/12/2007 1:48:50 PM

Wasn't there also some stuff about Sloan paying for Burleson's meal plan or a bus ticket home to the mountains or something like that because he was poor?

2/12/2007 1:50:50 PM

so basically to summarize:


He stayed at NC State with a buddy...free room and board.
He played in a pickup game or 12 after he committed.
And we gave him a ride to campus for free.


And it cost us a serious chance at a national championship.

And people wonder why we hate UNC.

2/12/2007 1:55:35 PM

my father-in-law has some cool stuff from the 72-73 and 73-74 seasons when he was on the team. mostly pictures and more autographed balls than you care to have.

2/12/2007 2:05:57 PM

^in that case i care to have them

2/12/2007 2:07:41 PM

Quote :

"so basically to summarize: He stayed at NC State with a buddy...free room and board. He played in a pickup game or 12 after he committed. And we gave him a ride to campus for free. And it cost us a serious chance at a national championship. And people wonder why we hate UNC."

not everything about the recruitment made airwaves

2/12/2007 2:28:26 PM

was this before or after he was a cokehead?

2/12/2007 2:58:48 PM

before, and also before he was the greatest basketball player in the ACC

2/12/2007 3:00:10 PM

hahahah, I kid I kid, I know his cokehead timeline

2/12/2007 3:01:17 PM

And, in case anyone was wondering, we basically just forgot to charge him room and board for the dorm room. I think it was $4 that he was supposed to be charged.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:02 PM. Reason : sss]

2/12/2007 3:02:13 PM

Quote :

"Nicknamed Fire & Ice, the duo performed admirably for four years. Their senior season, 1990-1991, marked NC State's last appearance in the NCAA Tournament in the 20th Century"

jesus... is that true???? 9 years??? well, at least 9 years, could be more, thats unbelievable

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:12 PM. Reason : d]

2/12/2007 3:10:25 PM

Quote :

"He stayed at NC State with a buddy...free room and board. He played in a pickup game or 12 after he committed. And we gave him a ride to campus for free. And it cost us a serious chance at a national championship. And people wonder why we hate UNC. "

- He stayed with the buddy, but not to the knowledge of the coaching staff. It was his best friend from H.S. According to DT himself, the coaches didn't even know he was up here
- Not only had he committed prior to the pickup game, he had already signed his LOI and enrolled at NC State. He still wasn't a 'student' yet, so the NCAA deemed it as a 'tryout', even though he was already 100% coming here. A graduate assistant with the BBall team played in the 'tryout' game with DT, and sadly, so did a football player for UNC (His name escapes me). Well, he went back to UNC and told UNC's football staff, becuase being an athlete, knew it was a violation. The NCSU graduate assistant claims he had no idea he was violating NCAA rules



The chief NCAA investigator that put us on probation for David Thompson's recruitment was Bill Gutheridge's college roomate at Kansas State University...that's where UNC comes into all of this. Apparently, ol' Dean called in a favor



[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2007 3:26:22 PM

^ wow, thats reaching... some Mel Gibson type shit there


and wasnt a coach from State playing in the game too? I thought I had heard that somewhere

2/12/2007 3:28:02 PM

^yes (Edited that in to clarify)

What's reaching about my statement?

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2007 3:29:04 PM

Quote :

"The guy that put us on probation for David Thompson's recruitment was Bill Gutheridge's college roomate at Kansas State University...that's where UNC comes into all of this. Apparently, ol' Dean called in a favor"

so many coaches are related in someway that anyone could claim "calling in a favor" anytime the NCAA steps in... especially someone like Dean Smith with his Kansas connections

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:34 PM. Reason : d]

2/12/2007 3:30:59 PM

Read 'Skywalker'... it talks about it in there.


NCAA headquarters is about 15 minutes from Manhattan, KS. Bill Gutheridge's college roomate, at the time, was one of the chief NCAA investigators for the NCAA, and oddly enough, the one that investigated NC State

According to Skywalker, it was a well known fact that any time this guy (the book refers to him as 'Mr. X' and doesn't give an identity) was around these parts for any reason, he'd swing by and talk to his old friend (Gutheridge).

I dunno... but DT said it himself. If anyone would know what went on, it's him.

2/12/2007 3:33:50 PM

So if the NCAA puts teams on probation for players doing things that the program is unaware of when is Duke going to be on probation for Magette and USC for Bush? I mean they took away UMass' accolades, surely they would do the same to Duke and USC...

-- to be honest, chances are everyone who went after him violated other rules in a big way too. I'll take the end result of having the greatest college bball player ever and a National Championship because of him in return for that 1 year of probation..

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:36 PM. Reason : x]

2/12/2007 3:33:54 PM

jaybee, Deano went to KU and still has a lot of ties to the university (Larry brown and roy coached there). I realize were talking KSU, but Deano was not only a force in the 70's, but from the area.

Quote :

"hahahah, I kid I kid,"

Probably not something to kid about, unless you want to talk leonard little

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

2/12/2007 3:35:15 PM

yeah, thats what I said.. thats my whole point, almost any coach that has been around for any amount of time probably is connected in some roundabout way to just about anyone you want to try to connect them to


^ hahahaha, thats the whole reason i said it to begin with, a few people give me shit about Tennessee players on here and my point was that every major program has their fuckups

Quote :

"-- to be honest, chances are everyone who went after him violated other rules in a big way too"

bingo

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:39 PM. Reason : d]

2/12/2007 3:36:28 PM

it's not exactly six degrees of separation in this case though.

2/12/2007 3:37:57 PM

jaybee, using drugs for your personal use is dumb, being 100% responsible for a family's death is a bit more extreme

2/12/2007 3:42:11 PM

Quote :

"So if the NCAA puts teams on probation for players doing things that the program is unaware of when is Duke going to be on probation for Magette and USC for Bush? I mean they took away UMass' accolades, surely they would do the same to Duke and USC... "

Our program realized we screwed up, but they expected the typical slap on the wrist...not what they got. Hence why NC State fans are so pissed about it.... they believe there were other forces at work in this one (per DT himself, in Skywalker).

All things together (Free car rides, some shit about paving his families driveway, the 'tryout', and staying for free in a friends dorm room) got us put on probation.


There was also some shit about DT receiving 'gifts'. I think part of the reason Duke got in trouble was becuase of the sweatshirt incident. DT had a family friend that he'd known since his early childhood that also happened to be a Duke grad. For his (18th ?) birthday he bought him an NC State sweatshirt (After he'd decided to go there). Becuase he was a donor for Duke, they viewed this as an unauthorized gift....even though he gave DT a sweatshirt of another school and had known him his whole life.

I dunno.... give Skywalker a read. It's actually a pretty terrible book, but it gives a great great insight into the 73' probation from someone who lived it. He actually says 'you'll never see this printed anywhere else, but I'm going to tell you what really went on'. Most of the stuff I've mentioned here is paraphrased (and a bit rusty on memory) from his book

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2007 3:52:56 PM

because of the drug use...

2/12/2007 3:52:57 PM

back to this... is this true??

Quote :

"Nicknamed Fire & Ice, the duo performed admirably for four years. Their senior season, 1990-1991, marked NC State's last appearance in the NCAA Tournament in the 20th Century"

jesus... is that true???? 9 years??? well, at least 9 years, could be more, thats unbelievable

2/12/2007 3:53:54 PM

Quote :

""We had lost one game in two seasons, we had won 32 straight ACC games in a row and yet one loss would mean we would never play in an NCAA tournament game," said point guard Monte Towe. "That's pressure.""

2/12/2007 3:59:21 PM

The NCAA cleared all parties of wrongdoing on the driveway paving, even if it did seem suspicious...

And we had a 10 year gap between the last NCAAs with Fire + Ice and our next appearance, when Jules was a frosh. We had some bad teams under Les and the first 5 years of Herb. The last year before the NCAAs, when we didn't even make the NIT, was horrible. Damien Wilkins would do 15 pump fakes, then we'd have to shove up a bad shot as the shot clock expired. Herb was nearly fired, Damien declared for the pros, Gerald ran his mouth about Herb, and Herb wouldn't let Damien back on the team (he transferred to UGA).

2/12/2007 4:08:46 PM

jesus 10 years???? thats fucking crazy


not trolling at all... especially for such a place known as a bball school, thats retarded

2/12/2007 4:15:47 PM

^The University chose not to be competitive in an effort to clean up our reputation. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

[Edited on February 12, 2007 at 5:47 PM. Reason : Less.]

2/12/2007 5:45:07 PM

for 10 years?

2/12/2007 6:01:45 PM

It lasted too long. We got used to being down and started to forget. I'm only 22 so I had to do some research of my own before I learned we weren't always an underdog who won a thriller every now and then. It was Herb's departure that helped me finally realize we were supposed to be better. That we'd paid our dues, and it was time to stand back up.

2/12/2007 6:10:44 PM