Why is Costner getting no love nationally?

He should be in contention for ACC Freshman of the year, but everyone is mentioning Scheyer, Crittenton, and of course Wright in front of him. Just because he's on a shitty team...

For example:

This week's ACC player of the week was John Scheyer.

Costner's stats: 16 points 5 boards vs. UNC and FSU

Scheyer's stats: 15.5 point and 4 rebounds vs. St. Johns and Clemson.

Season Stats:
Costner: 16.1 points, 7.7 rebounds, 1.7 AST
John Scheyer: 12.4 points 3.1 rebounds 1.9 AST
Crittenton: 14.5 points 3.8 rebounds 5.4 AST
Wright: 14.8 points 6.4 rebounds 1.1 AST

Clearly Costner is the frontrunner stat-wise. But he's an afterthought for ACC FOY?

2/27/2007 9:55:01 AM

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"because he's on a shitty team..."

2/27/2007 9:55:49 AM

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"because he's on a shitty team..."

2/27/2007 10:01:58 AM

it might be because this is his sceond year after sitting out most of last year with an injury

2/27/2007 10:07:56 AM

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"Costner's stats: 16 points 5 boards vs. UNC (L) and FSU (L) Scheyer's stats: 15.5 point and 4 rebounds vs. St. Johns (W) and Clemson (W). "

hmmm...an extra half point and an extra rebound OR a 2-0 record???

2/27/2007 10:12:25 AM

but look at the competition.

2/27/2007 10:16:59 AM

Exactly. It's not cut and dried, and I could maybe see Scheyer getting the Player of the Week.

But Rookie of the Year?

And don't give me that "he's a red-shirt" shit, cause RS Freshman have won the award plenty. Hansborough was fucking 20 last year as a freshman, and people still snobbed his knob plenty.

2/27/2007 10:20:10 AM

snobbed?

2/27/2007 10:25:18 AM

get your lob snobbed?

2/27/2007 10:31:11 AM

Ok, they sucked his penis. Better?

2/27/2007 10:36:43 AM

ITS SLOBBED

2/27/2007 10:37:31 AM

I get it. Who gives a fuck.

Costner gets no respect.

2/27/2007 10:38:24 AM

he had an injury and sat out so he cant get it. but its ok for hansdouche to get it at 20 years old? these people are fucking retards

2/27/2007 10:55:07 AM

Costner also plays 35+ minutes. If Wright was on our team he would have 25ppg, because he would go from playing 25 minutes a game to 35-37, and that's a lot. I agree about Scheyer, he's merely a spot up shooter. But you shouldn't really compare Costner's rebounds with Scheyer's, one is 6'10", the other is 6'4" Costner should have more rebounds. I haven't watched enough games with Crittenton to make an asessment, but was he a McD AA last season? I think Thaddeus Young was too, is he just not playing well for someone who has watched G tech this season? Also, The RS Fresh. thing does have an impact on this decision, although Hansbrough was 20 last season, he was a true freshman, not RS, probably because he rode the short bus in elementary.

2/27/2007 10:56:10 AM

You ask about 10 questions and then pose your opinion like it's definitive?

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"Costner also plays 35+ minutes. If Wright was on our team he would have 25ppg, because he would go from playing 25 minutes a game to 35-37, and that's a lot. "

Actually, according to his Points per Minute (.556) he'd be scoring 19.1 points per game if he played Costner's 34.4 minutes per game. And you can make excuses like this all day. For example, if Costner were on a good team that could distribute the ball and have less turnovers, etc. he'd score like 25 a game.

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"I agree about Scheyer, he's merely a spot up shooter. But you shouldn't really compare Costner's rebounds with Scheyer's, one is 6'10", the other is 6'4" Costner should have more rebounds. "

But not only is Costner leading Scheyer in points and rebounds, he also has a 47% shooting percentage (Scheyer is at 40%). Costner's 3 point percentage is better too, at 38.1% (Scheyer 36.7%) Clearly Scheyer isn't even close to Costner.

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"I haven't watched enough games with Crittenton to make an asessment, but was he a McD AA last season? "

Yes, he was McD AA, so what? He has had a good year (5.4 AST) but clearly not the impact Costner has...and not the numbers.

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"I think Thaddeus Young was too, is he just not playing well for someone who has watched G tech this season? "

13.8 points, 5 boards. Crittenton is clearly better in terms of ROY award.

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"Also, The RS Fresh. thing does have an impact on this decision, although Hansbrough was 20 last season, he was a true freshman, not RS, probably because he rode the short bus in elementary."

Being a RS should not have an affect on Rookie of the Year... Or Costner's hype (or lack thereof).

2/27/2007 11:32:59 AM

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"Being a RS should not have an affect on Rookie of the Year"

I thought it was "newcomer" of the year and not frosh of the year personally. I know it's that way in a few other conferences. Costner isn't a "newcomer."

I might be wrong on that. And who cares if he is hyped. If we were in the Top 15 he'd be getting love. We aren't. It's not like Hodge any trouble getting hype here so it's not like there is some sort of conspiracy..

2/27/2007 11:34:53 AM

meh, roy award isn't done by fans

2/27/2007 11:35:29 AM

ed nelson got ACC freshman of the year over julius hodge, and we all see how much that mattered over the next few years

culminating in hodge's ultimate pwnage of nelson against uconn of course

2/27/2007 11:36:24 AM

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"Actually, according to his Points per Minute (.556) he'd be scoring 19.1 points per game if he played Costner's 34.4 minutes per game."

If Wright were in our offense, he'd be the go to guy. Since he plays at Chapel Hill, he has to yield to the more experienced player, what's his face....Oh yea, a returning ALL AMERICAN. The PPM statistic suits your theory, so that is why you use it, ignoring all logic otherwise. Wright is a top 4 pick in that NBA, and UNC plays 12, we play 7, of which 5 are true ACC caliber, so of course Costner gets more touches while Wright gets far less in far fewer minutes with far more talented teammates. It's hilarious that you think Costner would have more points in the UNC system by way of fewer team turnovers. Like Hansbrough isn't going to be the focal point regardless (not to mention Ellington and Lawson), but you can certainly think that way. This is not a difficult concept.

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"Costner's 3 point percentage is better too, at 38.1% (Scheyer 36.7%) Clearly Scheyer isn't even close to Costner."

So there is a substantial difference between 38.1% and 36.7% to designate one player not "even close to" another??? I'm sorry, but they are very close.

You also need to watch tape of Costner's defense from start to finish this season. And watch Wright's defense from start to finish, it's easy to get caught up in offensive numbers, but defense is just as important. And finally, tune in to the NBA draft in June, notably the first 4 picks, all those scouts must be idiots too. It pains me to defend UNC in any way, but ya really aren't making it easy. You're part of the fanbase that is a punchline on most radio shows because you get so mad when your team gets "disrespected," a team fighting for an NIT bid no less. Face it, a player on a 4-12 or 5-11 team in conference isn't going to get the ink that a player on the top team in the conference and likely number one seed in the tourney and a sure fire lottery pick is going to get.



[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 12:04 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 12:02:38 PM

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"ed nelson got ACC freshman of the year over julius hodge, and we all see how much that mattered over the next few years culminating in hodge's ultimate pwnage of nelson against uconn of course"

YES, YES, and YES



pwnt!

2/27/2007 12:04:19 PM

^^Nail on the head with just about everything you said there.

But this isn't neccessarily bad....hopefully Costner stays for 3/4 years unlike Wright/Crittenton/Young.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ^^]

2/27/2007 12:04:27 PM

Boozie, I don't think we have to worry about Costner until after his junior season at the earliest. Big men going early into the NBA usually control the paint and dominate the boards while in college or have an enormous upside that teams are willing to take a chance on. He has a ways to go with this aspect so like you, I am looking forward to his progression and possibility of 3 more years after this season.


[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 12:10:54 PM

he leads all conference freshmen in rebounds and points

he should be ROY, hands down

2/27/2007 12:20:54 PM

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"If Wright were in our offense, he'd be the go to guy. Since he plays at Chapel Hill, he has to yield to the more experienced player, what's his face....Oh yea, a returning ALL AMERICAN. The PPM statistic suits your theory, so that is why you use it, ignoring all logic otherwise. Wright is a top 4 pick in that NBA, and UNC plays 12, we play 7, of which 5 are true ACC caliber, so of course Costner gets more touches while Wright gets far less in far fewer minutes with far more talented teammates. It's hilarious that you think Costner would have more points in the UNC system by way of fewer team turnovers. Like Hansbrough isn't going to be the focal point regardless (not to mention Ellington and Lawson), but you can certainly think that way. This is not a difficult concept."

My argument is that you can use the "well if he played on a different team, more minutes, etc." schtick all day long. If Costner played on a better team, the team (and by extension Costner) would score more overall points, etc. You can't use the old "what if" argument when evaluating players. So your original "what if he played more minutes" doesn't really work.

I just used the PPM statistic because you said if Wright were getting Costner's number of minutes, he'd score 25 a game.

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"So there is a substantial difference between 38.1% and 36.7% to designate one player not "even close to" another??? I'm sorry, but they are very close."

My point was that OVERALL Scheyer and Costner aren't even close to each other. Scheyer has no edge in any stat over Costner, and the last sentence punctuates that by pointing out that Costner is even better than Scheyer at long-range (Scheyer's strength). Talk about twisting words.

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"You also need to watch tape of Costner's defense from start to finish this season. And watch Wright's defense from start to finish, it's easy to get caught up in offensive numbers, but defense is just as important. "

Wright is the better defender. That's easy to see. However, my whole argument here is that Costner should be in contention. Crittenton needs to work on defense as well, but his name is near the top of the list constantly.

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"And finally, tune in to the NBA draft in June, notably the first 4 picks, all those scouts must be idiots too. "

Obviously future NBA potential is what Rookie of the Year should be judged upon.

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"It pains me to defend UNC in any way, but ya really aren't making it easy. You're part of the fanbase that is a punchline on most radio shows because you get so mad when your team gets "disrespected," a team fighting for an NIT bid no less. Face it, a player on a 4-12 or 5-11 team in conference isn't going to get the ink that a player on the top team in the conference and likely number one seed in the tourney and a sure fire lottery pick is going to get."

I'm not a moron. I understand that players on a losing team are going to get less press. I can "face that". That doesn't mean I can't make the argument that he should be in contention for ROY, or that it's right that the Scheyer/Wright's of the world get all the ink.

2/27/2007 12:30:43 PM

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"If Costner played on a better team, the team (and by extension Costner) would score more overall points, etc."

This is where we disagree. If he plays on a better team (such as UNC) he gets fewer touches offensively = less points, you see? He is allowed to tee it up anytime he wants in our system of 5 legitimate ACC players, In Roy's system, no way.

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"Obviously future NBA potential is what Rookie of the Year should be judged upon."

If Wirght is good enough to be drafted in the top 5 with about 25 minutes a game, I'd say is he is pretty valuable.

Also, I think Scheyer should get less press, we agree there, and I stated as much earlier. You also agreed that Wright is better defensively. Well guess what, defense is at least 50% of the game, and most of the great coaches have emphasized the "defense before offense" philosophy. So if you concede that Wright is better defensively, and their offensive numbers are debateable, then the edge goes to Wright clearly (and I still think Wright is better offensively) even without considering the team's disparity record wise.

2/27/2007 1:26:47 PM

I never said Costner > Wright. I just said that Costner should be in serious contention for ROY. IMO, he's in second place right now I think. This is not a Wright vs. Costner debate, so stop trying to make it one.

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"This is where we disagree. If he plays on a better team (such as UNC) he gets fewer touches offensively = less points, you see? He is allowed to tee it up anytime he wants in our system of 5 legitimate ACC players, In Roy's system, no way."

Meh. UNC is a bad example of putting a good player on a better team, because they have depth like no one in the past 10 years has had.

Yes, you put Costner on a team with a better PG and a faster paced offense and he will improve his numbers... For example GT, (77.9 PPG vs. our 71.6 PPG, for example).

2/27/2007 1:58:53 PM

ACC ROY is not based on NBA potential...its based on college season performance and in that category, Costner > Wright

2/27/2007 2:06:13 PM

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"UNC is a bad example of putting a good player on a better team, because they have depth like no one in the past 10 years has had."

I think the 99 Duke team may want to argue, while not having as many bodies, they certainly had quality depth over quantity.

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"Yes, you put Costner on a team with a better PG and a faster paced offense and he will improve his numbers... "

Disagree again...I wish there was a way to show you that there is no way Costner would sniff 16.1 points per game at UNC given theat he and Wright hypothetically switched places. Hansblow is only averaging 18, and he's the go to guy. What makes you think Costner would be the number two option and put up more than 16.1 (in essence scoring as much as or more than Hansblow) with Lawson, Ellington, Terry etc etc is beyond me.

I'm not turning this into a Costner-Wright debate. If you ask me, there is no debate for ROY this year, it's Wright hands down (based on how little playing time he gets compared to the other nominees), so to throw anyone else in the argument to me is irrelevant.

^, Oh lord, if the I hate UNC "this much" contingent who thinks Costner should get POY and that McCauley has better post moves than Hansblow comes out, I'm going to leave this argument alone

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 2:25 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 2:22:02 PM

I JUST said put him on a better team, not UNC (bad example because of enourmous depth), and his numbers will improve.

And then you argue against that by trying to switch Wright and Costner.

2/27/2007 2:25:26 PM

lost in costner's statistical lead among rookies in the conferance is the amount of maturity (not getting into foul trouble) and leadership he has had to play with, along with the absurd amount of minutes.

lawson, wright, critterton or scheyer have a shitty game, their coaches can sit them and let them watch and learn. costner plays like a vet.

2/27/2007 2:29:34 PM

^^ Ok then do the same thing for Wright, put him on a good team with less depth (where he can play 33-36 minutes), and his numbers will rise, doh (hits face with hand)

Twista-

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"ACC ROY is not based on NBA potential...its based on college season performance and in that category, Costner > Wright"

While true in theory, let's look at the last four rookies of the year:
2002-2003 Chris Bosh (How's he doing?)
2003-2004 Chris "Nutcracker" Paul (Hows he doing?)
2004-2005 Marvin Williams (How's he doing?)
2005-2006 Tyler Hansblow (will reach NBA and this season has only hurt his stock as opposed to when he was named ROY last season and had much higher NBA potential)



[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 2:31:47 PM

Way to conveniently stop when it suits your argument.

Let's look back a bit further:

1999 Chris Williams Virginia (How's he doing?)
2000 Joseph Forte North Carolina (How's he doing?)
2001 Chris Duhon Duke (How's he doing?)
2002 Ed Nelson (How's he doing?)

Also, it could be argued that Hansborough will not fare well in the NBA. And he's a ROY.

Costner can easily go pro in a few years, and has potential to do well there. So the pros is a nonfactor, as history and recent picks prove.

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"^^ Ok then do the same thing for Wright, put him on a good team with less depth (where he can play 33-36 minutes), and his numbers will rise, doh (hits face with hand)"

Right. Like I said, you can't play the "what if" game. You can't award Wright the ROY award simply because you think he'd do better than Costner IF he was at State. You can only evaluate based on their actual performance.

More evidence: Wright - 1 double double. Costner? Try 7 double doubles. BTW that leads the league.

2/27/2007 2:42:30 PM

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"2000 Joseph Forte North Carolina (How's he doing?)"

Drafted in the first round of the NBA and made millions, now in Europe

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"2001 Chris Duhon Duke (How's he doing?)"

Drafted in the 2nd round of the NBA and making millions today

In 1999, if Maggette had played at UVA it would have been him, also first round selection who played on the most loaded team that i can recall in the last 20 seasons. ( I realize you're opposed to "what if player X had more playing time"). You got me with Nelson, not sure how he won over Hodge, who was drafted in the first round as we all know.

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"You can only evaluate based on their actual performance."

This puts an extremely large handicap on rookies that don't start, or in this case, get 34 minutes a game, don't you think?

I realize that these postseason pointless awards mean a lot to you, but do you really think its worth anything if there are better rookies playing on better teams who get less minutes because of said better teams, it's kind of like winning by default if Costner were to win, Which he won't. And the fact that Costner has 7 DD's isn't all that impressive (to me) considering he should get at least 15 boards a game with how much he plays.

So, of ROY's between 1999-2005, 5 of the 7 (71%) were drafted in the NBA with 3 being lottery picks and we all know Hodge was the real ROY in 2001 (which would make it 6 out of 7 drafted )


[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 3:05 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 2:50:46 PM

if you actually watched the nc state vs. uconn game in the tourney, you would know that hodge didn't "pwn" nelson. on the contrary, nelson came off the bench and dominated the game. now, if you had said, "hodge pwned rudy gay", i would've agreed.

2/27/2007 3:18:35 PM

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"And the fact that Costner has 7 DD's isn't all that impressive (to me) considering he should get at least 15 boards a game with how much he plays."

Lost all credibility on that one. We are talking rookies here. No one in the ACC averages over 10 rebounds a game. 7 DDs is very impressive for a rookie.

2/27/2007 3:26:08 PM

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"5 of the 7 (71%) were drafted in the NBA "

5 of 7 eventually were drafted in the NBA.

Are you saying that Costner isn't going to be drafted? I'm not sure why you keep harping on the NBA aspect...?

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"I realize that these postseason pointless awards mean a lot to you, but do you really think its worth anything if there are better rookies playing on better teams who get less minutes because of said better teams, it's kind of like winning by default if Costner were to win, Which he won't."

You've run out of argument and are getting more confusing by the sentence. I don't care about awards or rankings really...and I've stated that here before. But Costner is underrated and simply does not get the respect he deserves.

And if you're still going to harp on the minutes played argument...think about all those former ROY and how many minutes they played. Except for Marvin Williams, most of those guys were hardcore and played tons of minutes.

So besides the fact that Costner is on a team in the cellar of the ACC (which is not a valid reason to exclude him from ROY hype), no good point has been made as to why he's not being considered really.

2/27/2007 3:36:51 PM

the man said "snobbed"

2/27/2007 3:42:32 PM

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"Lost all credibility on that one. We are talking rookies here. No one in the ACC averages over 10 rebounds a game. 7 DDs is very impressive for a rookie."

I should have rephrased and pinpointed the rebounding aspect, I'm not impressed with 7 rebounds a game in his situation of getting 34 minutes, rooky or otherwise he should be getting more in my opinion as I have seen many situations where he and our entire team caring less about rebounds, but yes his PPG is impressive for a rookie.

I am not running out of argument, you still have yet to acknowledge where you posted about the ROY's from 1999-2002 and "where are they now" and I told you which totally negated your point about the guys from 99-02 when you obviously had no idea that Duhon and Forte were drafted, probably because you started watching college basketball 2 or 3 years ago.

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"I'm not sure why you keep harping on the NBA aspect...?"

Just an FYI thing, it is somewhat interesting that most of the ROY's have gone on to be drafted and at the very least play pro ball inEurope and be stars over there if not in the NBA.

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"So besides the fact that Costner is on a team in the cellar of the ACC (which is not a valid reason to exclude him from ROY hype)"

If this were true in sports, any QB from Hawaii would win the Heisman in football every year.

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"no good point has been made as to why he's not being considered really."

The you have nothing to worry about, Costner will hands down be the ROY


[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 3:55 PM. Reason : ..]

2/27/2007 3:44:38 PM

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""Lost all credibility on that one. We are talking rookies here. No one in the ACC averages over 10 rebounds a game. 7 DDs is very impressive for a rookie.""

exactly. 7 rebounds a game is good for anyone not named dennis rodman. you are silly.

2/27/2007 3:54:08 PM

^ Well there are 9 guys in the league averaging 7 rebounds (of which 7 play fewer minutes than Costner), so either it's not quite Rodmanesque, or we have some serious boards crashers in this conference. Also, of the 3 people ahead of Costner in rebounds, only one is averaging more minutes (Dudley). I've just seen many situations where he has been slow to the boards, but if you guys want to dissect this situation 100% by the numbers, have at it.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 4:05:39 PM

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"and I told you which totally negated your point about the guys from 99-02 when you obviously had no idea that Duhon and Forte were drafted, probably because you started watching college basketball 2 or 3 years ago. "

Haha, resorting to baseless insults for your argument. I actually was in school during the Forte days and went to all the games, including most UNC games and some Wake games. You really don't want to play who is the biggest ACC fan with me.

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"Just an FYI thing, it is somewhat interesting that most of the ROY's have gone on to be drafted and at the very least play pro ball inEurope and be stars over there if not in the NBA."

So? It is only interesting if you are arguing that Costner will never go pro. Wright will go pro (maybe this year), and Costner will go pro eventually. I fail to see how Costner getting no respect and no chance at ROY compares with the NBA draft and going pro.

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"If this were true in sports, any QB from Hawaii would win the Heisman in football every year."

No football example can be really used in a basketball argument. Or are you saying we're a mid-major?

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"The you have nothing to worry about, Costner will hands down be the ROY "

I acknowledge that Costner has little chance to win. However, I can argue that he should be in contention and that it isn't right.

2/27/2007 4:07:39 PM

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""If this were true in sports, any QB from Hawaii would win the Heisman in football every year.""

I don't think anyones argueing for Costner to get ROY or POY nationally. Even if they were that would be a awful example unless Hawaii suddenly joins a major conference and competes.

Slackerb is argueing for ACC ROY. I'm sure the armslinger QB's from Hawaii have manytimes won ROY/POY for their conference although I'm way to lazy to look it up.

2/27/2007 4:18:40 PM

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"You really don't want to play who is the biggest ACC fan with me."

Since you bring it up, I certainly do, although there would be no way to solve it. You would not have had to ask "where Duhon and Forte are now" if you had paid any attention whatsoever, you posted as if they were nobodies who never went pro.

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"Costner will go pro eventually"

No one hopes this is more true than me.

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"I fail to see how Costner getting no respect and no chance at ROY compares with the NBA draft and going pro."

I'm not saying it does compare, just that its somewhat notable that ROY's have gone onto the NBA for the most part, he obviously has a good chance, and I hope he does.

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"No football example can be really used in a basketball argument. Or are you saying we're a mid-major?"

Just saying that these "individual" awards are more team oriented than we think they ought to be

2/27/2007 4:21:50 PM

Bosh and Paul, etc, didnt get ROY for their NBA potential...they got it because they had the best freshmen seasons in the conference...they also happened to be great players who were bound to go pro...the ACC is such a stout conference you'd expect MOST rookies of the year to go pro (eventually)

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 4:50:51 PM

Costner will be on the all rookie team and will finish 2nd or 3rd for having great stats on a poor team.

Wright will win ROY because he has good stats on a good team.

But look at it this way, Over the next few years, Costner will be competing for ACC POY while Wright is a role player for a crappy team in the NBA.

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"^ Well there are 9 guys in the league averaging 7 rebounds (of which 7 play fewer minutes than Costner), so either it's not quite Rodmanesque, or we have some serious boards crashers in this conference. Also, of the 3 people ahead of Costner in rebounds, only one is averaging more minutes (Dudley)."

But how many of these are ROOKIES?

none.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ]

2/27/2007 4:51:55 PM

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"if you actually watched the nc state vs. uconn game in the tourney, you would know that hodge didn't "pwn" nelson. on the contrary, nelson came off the bench and dominated the game. now, if you had said, "hodge pwned rudy gay", i would've agreed."

Hodge went straight past and over ed nelson on the biggest play of their careers and on the biggest play for NC State Basketball over the past decade. I didn't say for the whole game, but on that play he certainly did.

2/27/2007 4:59:51 PM

jordan collins pwnt somebody at the top of the key on that play haha

2/27/2007 5:09:19 PM

I don't really want to feed the fire here, but who thinks costner's numbers will improve next year? If they do and he stays 4 years he could be near the top in NCSU scoring. Doubtful that a big man with nba range would stay 4 years though.

2/27/2007 5:55:56 PM

knowing our luck with big men, he will either try to go pro or have a sophomore slump like Brackman did.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 6:04 PM. Reason : 2]

2/27/2007 6:03:15 PM

^ don't know about that, cedric really turned it on last year. Who is going to do that to Brandon next year?

Also, I think that in this season only he has improved a lot. He even added that quick spin-type post move that I had never seen him do before.

2/27/2007 7:22:58 PM