to say what The prime minister of australia said. about how islamics who want to live under sharia law need to get the fuck out, and that if you want to be here we welcome you if you are willing to adapt to our laws and our culture...and if not then get the fuck out. if only an american politician, or bush for that matter, had the balls to say that here. an of course include our ever swelling illegal hispanic population (the birthrate alone is out of control) who aims to turn this country into a 3rd world shithol and retake the west that they believe is theirs....(la raza makes this quite clear). they expect us to cater to their needs, learn their language and then refuse to adopt our laws and culture. we can welcome those who want to enjoy what we have, respect our laws and adopt our culture....but all too many want to exploit our weaknesses (ie shitty politicians on all sides) and exploit our advantages. the liberal notion of cultural relativism is going to be the death of this country. the notion that no one set of values is worth protecting and that a soverign nation is somehow wrong for trying to do so. what the fuck is the world going to be like when there is no standard anymore. i for one dont are to live long enough to see all that i love fall apart. and no one wants to do a damn thing about it....and liberals dumb down the debate by calling anyone who isnt for open borders racist. this same rant applies to anyone, hispanics, radical muslims, liberals, anyone who wants to change the fundamental beliefs we hold in this country. that is all

3/3/2007 4:34:30 PM

Racist.

3/3/2007 4:40:32 PM

i completely agree with you.

however, consider this self-defeating position:

let's say a country has a majority group A population, and it has laws set by group A, and appealing to group A.

now, the laws of the country allow people from other countries to come and settle there.

in 50 years, group A is in the minority. now, groups B and C are in the majority, and being very different from group A, they want the laws changed to what they want, or what they were used to before they immigrated.

so, what happens?

who safeguards and decided the laws and constitution of US? (i am asking because i don't know)

can a certain ethnic group (in the majority 100 years from now) change the laws or the constitution of the US at that time?

3/3/2007 4:40:47 PM

the constitution can be changed to anything as long as the amendments clear herculean requirements

3/3/2007 4:42:59 PM

if the laws were changed LEGALLY, by a group LEGALLY entitled to be here and VOTE as LEGAL citiczens, then I would agree....thus the whole "we welcome you comment" but thats not the case in this situation, rather it is change through pure force by volume of people disrespecting the very foundations of our culture and Sovereignty

[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 4:59 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2007 4:53:37 PM

I can propose an amendment to the US Constitution. Anyone can. Even you, 0EPII. Its easy.

Just write it up, then get a U.S. Senator or Representative to sponsor it in front of their chamber in Congress.

All that has to happen then is a supermajority (67%) of both the Senate and the House have to approve it, then 3/4 of all the States (38 states) have to ratify it in their legislatures.

i think it's pretty straightforward.

3/3/2007 4:57:57 PM

too bad the change is coming not by the proper methods

3/3/2007 5:03:27 PM

If they don't assimilate and embrace "our values," they won't get good jobs, and they won't make enough money to have any power in our society.

Don't worry, Republican18. We'll ghettoize the Hispanics, too.

White people can relax.

[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 5:10 PM. Reason : in, not over ]

3/3/2007 5:05:22 PM

Hispanics aren't trying to convert the US to anything, and they aren't resisting our laws and cultures. The majority of spanish immigrants in this country probably speak english, and the vast majority of their kids (a number nearing 100%) also probably speak English.

3/3/2007 5:07:12 PM

not according to kneejerk republican racists.

3/3/2007 5:10:57 PM

spend a day in my job and tell me that they obey the laws. im not saying they are the only ones doing these crimes but a huge percentage of them are.

driving no license (not that they should get them)
driving no insurance
identity theft (how many have SS numbers, where did those numbers come from)
drinking and driving
leaving the scene of an accident
not paying taxes
domestic violence
sex offense (the age of consent in mexico is like 12)
gang violence
drug dealing/smuggling
prostitution houses (with under age girls)
gang rapes
armed robbery
motor vehicle theft
i can go on n on. and dont tell me it aint true cause i see it on a daily basis

and i guess i am a knee jerk person (but not really a rupublican anymore) becasue i dont believe in cultural reletavism



[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 5:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2007 5:12:01 PM

If I have any argument against immigrants, it's with the ones who aren't here to build new lives for themselves and their families. They just wanna work, scrape by, and send cash home. Oddly enough, these are the guys the conservatives love.

3/3/2007 5:13:26 PM

^^ Are you claiming that a majority of spanish immigrants do those things?

Is not paying taxes because they're not here legally defying our culture? Is driving without a license because they aren't allowed to get them defying our culture? Those things are wrong for sure, but they aren't cause by their desire to change us, it's because our laws encourage these behaviors.

[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 5:15 PM. Reason : ]

3/3/2007 5:15:24 PM

Quote :

"If they don't assimilate and embrace "our values," they won't get good jobs, and they won't make enough money to have any power in our society."

unless of course, they become the majority, which they will.

2050, whites will be < 50% (based on research)

2100, whites will be < 25% (my guesstimate)

^ moron, well if they are illegal, they can't get all those legal things like licenses and stuff.

and also, he is not saying that a majority of them do it, but a huge percentage of them do, a ton huge-r than the percentage of whites doing similarly socially destroying activities.

[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ]

3/3/2007 5:15:52 PM

they are breaking the fundamental law of our Sovereignty, if they want to come here and make a better life im all for that. come here legally. when they dont they prove that they dont respect us, our nations borders, our country or our laws. hell look at the rallies where they wave mexican flags....they dont care about this country at all, they are here to exploit it.

3/3/2007 5:16:23 PM

some of the participants in this thread are trying to maintain an intelligent discussion, and for that they should be commended.

but I'm afraid this thread is doomed by its inherent and overwhelming core retardation.

nothing left to see here, folks.





[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 5:19 PM. Reason : ]

3/3/2007 5:18:39 PM

if you are refering to me, i have made plenty of valid points.

3/3/2007 5:20:04 PM

Quote :

" they are breaking the fundamental law of our Sovereignty, if they want to come here and make a better life im all for that. come here legally. when they dont they prove that they dont respect us, our nations borders, our country or our laws."

The immigration process that we have is absurd and hobbled with bureaucracy. Considering that Mexico is an ally, and practically share the entire souther border with them, it shouldn't take 10 years for a Mexican to legally immigrate here. If we fix this problem, we'd fix a lot of the problems with immigration (particularly no taxes, drivers license, and insurances, as well as school and medical funding issues).

To paint this as the Mexican's desire to invade American though is nothing short of idiotic paranoia.

Quote :

" hell look at the rallies where they wave mexican flags....they dont care about this country at all, they are here to exploit it."

If it's wrong to wave a mexican flag, then it's equally wrong to wave a rebel flag, and I don't think either is wrong (as long as the motivations aren't racist).

3/3/2007 5:23:36 PM

Quote :

"i can go on n on. and dont tell me it aint true cause i see it on a daily basis"

You see gang rapes and armed robbery on a daily basis? What an exciting life.

3/4/2007 12:15:13 AM

I have never had a mexican expect me to know or learn spanish, so I don't know why people bring that up.

3/4/2007 12:37:30 AM

Español, motherfucker. ¿Lo habla usted?

3/4/2007 12:48:54 AM

^what happened to al micheals?

3/4/2007 1:24:28 AM

Quote :

"unless of course, they become the majority, which they will. 2050, whites will be < 50% (based on research) 2100, whites will be < 25% (my guesstimate)"

They can be the majority all fucking day. If they don't have the money, they won't see power.

And to get the money, they'll have to assimilate.

This issue is fabricated. You know the way some folks claim liberals are blowing global warming out of proportion to gets votes? Well, this is one of those things some of the conservatives like to blow out of proportion.

The only concern I can see is family size. It may be an issue at first (and I feel for their children), but again, they'll figure out that they can't have six kids and prosper (like they want to). If they don't assimilate, we won't have to worry about them--we'll keep them in segregated communities, and they'll be poor as dirt and we probably won't even have to ever see them unless we're getting our cars washed or our lawns mowed. If they do assimilate (which they are, by the way), then there's no threat to "our culture."

[Edited on March 4, 2007 at 9:42 AM. Reason : sss]

3/4/2007 9:37:49 AM

Republican, when did you turn into a salisburyboy acolyte? It saddens me immensely.

3/4/2007 12:16:06 PM

for speaking the truth i all of a sudden became salisbury boy?

3/4/2007 12:27:44 PM

I'm really glad SOMEBODY is speaking the truth.

About gang rapes.

All the goddamn gang rapes.

3/4/2007 1:55:47 PM

Don't come up front, Jon. Mexican gunmen are robbing the theater as I type!

3/4/2007 2:22:28 PM

aha

espn 1 right now is totally in spanish for the mexico 200 (they're simulcasting in english on espn2)


oh

and make all the laws you want

in the end, anthropology will run its natural course

3/4/2007 2:58:14 PM

remember those native americans... whatever happened to them?

3/10/2007 9:19:40 PM

They'll assimilate pretty quickly, considering half of them look white, and that white people love them some hispanic women.

3/10/2007 11:46:01 PM

I have very mixed feeling on this issue. To begin I do think that the laws should be clear so that honest people are not punished. Clearly since we are not enforcing the law at all we are unfairly penalizing those who take the time and $$ to follow immigration law. You'll find that legal immigrants are perhaps the most outraged group against the current state of anarchy with immigration. It costs $500 plus at a minimum to go through the naturalization process and it takes years and lots of inane paperwork. To just let people in w/o the proper background checks is a crazy double standard.

On the other hand I like the Mexican community here, I don't think they refuse to assimilate like in other places. Of course the drunk drivers should be deported, but then how do we keep them in Mexico? If we had some kind of ID system for illegals it would be feasible. Good luck getting that through congress.

The problem is not so much that they are here, it is that they are percieved to uses services w/o contributiung to the tax base proportionally. This leads to many of the problems vexing to local governments, school growth most notably. Certainly a large part of the black market economy is employed by illegals, of course they are not going to pay tax $$$ as that would draw attention to them. I suppose one solution would be to switch to a fair tax system where everyone's consumption is taxed, illegals can hide income but they have to buy groceries and gas like everybody else. I'm sure EarthDogg can add to this point.

I don't see any easy answers so long as we inist on growing government and refusing to push people towards taking responsibility for their own life. Two things which can't possibly help reducing black market jobs or the dim economic state in Mexico,

1.) raising the minimum wage. (if I was an employer why on earth wouldn't I try to hire under the radar
where I can pay people whatever they think is fair?)
2.) ethanol ( I'd be mighty pissed if I realized I couldn't feed my family for a resonable # of pesos just so Americans could feel good about putting someone's dinner in their gas tank. It be one thing if it was just market demand but in some states they are forcing 10% ethanol. (VA I think) )

3/10/2007 11:47:43 PM

Quote :

"and liberals dumb down the debate by calling anyone who isnt for open borders racist."

It's not really racism. It's more xenophobia or nativism, if you want to get technical. And not just liberals -- actually, many people with common sense are having trouble with our so-called "border control" policy.

By the way -- I live in a city that has more hispanics than Raleigh has people, and we have the lowest murder rate in the country. And the third lowest crime rate. I'm assuming that when I go out on Saturday night and see all them-thar Mexicans on the street, they conform to our laws and norms. So, to your anecdotes, I say: nyah, nyah.

You're just being incredibly crass. These people are just doing what it takes to get by for them and their families. We ought to be flattered that people are willing to risk their lives in the desert to be here. And the idea that dirt-ass-poor people should be expected to apply for a work visa and wait months or years while they suffer -- it's just stupid. Really stupid. These people are slogging in the trenches, barely getting by day-to-day. And they're supposed to wait around when opportunity is just a few miles away?

My feeling is, where this issue is concerned -- we just need to suck up and deal with it, and stop blaming the damned immigrants. Put some real pressure on Mexico to change. Make sure the second generation is well-educated. For God's sakes, stop pretending that having bilingual kids is such a bad thing.

So, in short, I say -- to all the immigration haters -- let's "keep it real." And here's a good starting point:

This country was founded by subjugating and/or killing the native population, and violating their "sovereignty." Then we forcefully imported an entire race of people only to enslave them for a century. Now we're complaining about immigrants coming and working hard for cheap to improve their lives!?

Come on. On the grand tipping scale of karma, we have much worse coming to us. Be grateful.

3/12/2007 1:42:29 AM

I saw a news clip a few days ago where a KKK (or some other white supremacist group leader) was elated about the illegal immigration member because apparently membership is exploding out west.

3/12/2007 7:29:37 AM

Quote :

"and also, he is not saying that a majority of them do it, but a huge percentage of them do, a ton huge-r than the percentage of whites doing similarly socially destroying activities. "

kinda like...oh i dont know, black people? do we think it is because minorities just love to rape and pillage or that they are a higher percentage among the urban poor?

id love to know what "huge percentage" is as well.

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 8:08 AM. Reason : YOU EVER PICKED TOMATOES....ON WEEEEEEEEEEED]

3/12/2007 8:07:52 AM

^ look up FBI's website for stats.

and you can blame being poor and oppressed all you want, the fact of the matter is, the motivation to fail and drop out of school for blacks and latinos comes from within the society/culture.

you are not cool if you study

you are a nerd

it is cool to be able to rap and play ball

chemistry and math? that ain't cool

show uncle your rapping skills, junior

blah blah blah

the messages come from within, and you can't blame those on white people or poverty.

funny thing is, these messages (in italics above) among school kids and teens are spreading to all sorts of communities all over the world: whites, arabs, south asians, etc

and hence, a teacher's job is becoming that much more difficult.

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 8:24 AM. Reason : i know because i teach children from 20+ countries at school (middle and high)]

3/12/2007 8:22:25 AM

0EPII1 is probably the most racist of all the brown bastards

3/12/2007 9:08:49 AM

bravo.

you have resorted to just bad-mouthing and destroying one's credibility without actually answering to anything i said in this thread.

Quote :

"0EPII1 Crazywade is probably the most racist stupid of all the brown bastards university grads"

3/12/2007 9:11:12 AM

what fundamental beliefs do we hold in this country?

where is our shared identity, again?

3/12/2007 9:12:24 AM

^^your "logic" is the reason why your people still lap at the crumbs from the table of civilization.

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 9:13 AM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 9:13:34 AM

wow, i don't know how to answer that

how about:

1 - what did your people do?

Quote :

"This country was founded by subjugating and/or killing the native population, and violating their "sovereignty." Then we forcefully imported an entire race of people only to enslave them for a century."

2 - answer the facts i stated in my post. (of course, we know you won't, cuz if you wanted to, you would have done it at the very beginning, instead of calling me a racist brown bastard)

p.s. this just hit me: if you say:

Quote :

"0EPII1 is probably the most racist of all the brown bastards"

what does that make you? someone who sees everybody as equal? you are

and here is another one:

Quote :

"your "logic" is the reason why your people still lap at the crumbs from the table of civilization."

i maybe racist, but if so, i admit it. you however, are clearly racist, but deny it and pretend to be so much better than i.

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 9:28 AM. Reason : no more responding to you unless you adress my post about blacks/latinos]

3/12/2007 9:19:50 AM

I guess it takes one to know one, doesn't it, OEP? I'm glad I've successfully ruffled your feathers. Now you you have somewhat of an idea as to how the majority of conservatives feel....

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 9:34 AM. Reason : .]

Quote :

"Hometown : Baghdad, Gaza, Kandahar, etc. Class : Alumnus Major : Terrorism Homepage : http://www.antiwar.com Biography : I am a "terrorist". Or so they say. Interests : The World Favorite Quote : "Bring it on!" -- Jorge Shrub, July 2003 "

lol

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 9:35 AM. Reason : .]

Quote :

"no more responding to you unless you adress my post about blacks/latinos] "

oh, ok...so you only want to talk about YOUR issues? What a lame attempt to try and change directions

[Edited on March 12, 2007 at 9:41 AM. Reason : .]

3/12/2007 9:32:59 AM

I got gang raped by fifty Mexicans last night.

3/12/2007 10:27:11 AM

^ I'd say ouch, but we all know Mexicans have little penises and thus you are probably fine.

3/12/2007 11:36:01 AM

Quote :

"the messages come from within, and you can't blame those on white people or poverty."

i've heard that rates of crime for whites in urban areas is nearly the same as those of blacks and latinos. care to delve into that since you have the stats on hand and i dont.

3/12/2007 11:53:22 AM

Careful Republican18...the politically correct crowd says its not ok to say something that may potentially be construed as hurting someone's feelings...you are obviously a bigot and a racist with a black heart of hatred...don't you know that countries must adapt to new residents...we can't possibly expect the residents to adapt to the country now can we

3/12/2007 12:01:25 PM

most adapt fairly well i'd say (or at least try)

many of the issues listed there are only issues because the people are illegal immigrants and fear being deported.

do i think it's right for people to illegally immigrate here? no.
do i think we should make it easier for people to legally immigrate into the country? certainly.

3/12/2007 12:48:31 PM

how easy should it be? should it be so easy where almost anyone can legally immigrate here?

3/12/2007 12:50:34 PM

i think it should have an easy rating of 8. . .
seriously how do you want me to quantify this?

i think we should increase the number of worker visas we give out to latin america (esp. for "unskilled" labor)

3/12/2007 12:54:23 PM

what would you like to see the population of America reach? What I'm asking is that do you just want everyone who wants to legally immigrate here to be able to do so?

3/12/2007 12:55:17 PM

within a reasonable screening process, yes. we don't want criminals or anything. why not let the market take care of it? hahaha.

3/12/2007 12:57:12 PM