This made me sad.

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"Town Searches for Mom of Abandoned Babies By GARANCE BURKE AP OROSI, Calif. (March 29) - The first newborn was discovered swaddled in a blanket on an outdoor bench, an umbilical cord still hanging from his tiny body. Then, at neat 11-month intervals, two more abandoned babies were found in parked pickup trucks in the same neighborhood. This week, DNA tests established all three babies were almost certainly born to the same mother. Now, in a heartbreaking mystery that has transfixed this central California farm community of 7,300, investigators are trying to find the mother and figure out what drove her to such desperate lengths. "How can the relatives not see this girl pregnant, and then see that she's not pregnant anymore and not ask where's the baby? Somebody must know something," said Hortencia Espino, 81. All three newborns were found within a two-block radius. The first two - a boy and a girl - survived and are now wards of the state. The third baby was found dead of exposure on the cold night of Dec. 3. She was enveloped in a sweatshirt in the bed of a pickup parked near the high school, some 60 miles southeast of Fresno. The coroner concluded she was alive for less than a day. On Wednesday, a Catholic church held a baptism and funeral Mass in Spanish and English for the baby girl, who was dubbed "Angelita DeOrosi," or Orosi's little angel. Later, under the shade of a corrugated plastic awning, sheriff's officials and grandmothers delicately sifted handfuls of dirt onto her white coffin before it was lowered into the earth. Marely Pena, who found the infant in her father's truck, cried behind dark glasses. Orosi, a town encircled by fig and lemon orchards, has long been the kind of place where everyone seemed to know each other. But that is changing, with new housing developments going up and a burgeoning gang problem that has led to a rise in violent crime. As upset residents built makeshift shrines in honor of Angelita, authorities interviewed local women they thought might be involved. But DNA testing eliminated them as the babies' mother. After exhausting all leads, officials are asking the community for help finding the parents and are offering a $5,000 reward. Police said the mother could face criminal charges. But they also said they want to make sure she doesn't do it again and isn't in some kind of distress. Investigators would not speculate as to the reasons for the abandonment, such as whether the mother might have been a prostitute or a rape victim. "Whether the mother is in a physical state of danger or a mental state where she feels she can't ask for help, our heart goes out to her," Karen Franzen, manager of Dopkins Funeral Chapel in Dinuba, which donated a casket and cemetery plot for Angelita. The first deserted newborn was found on Feb. 10, 2005, a barely breathing boy with a body temperature of just 85 degrees. On January 8, 2006, a resident discovered a full-term baby girl inside a pickup two blocks away, clothed in an undershirt and pants. On Monday, sheriff's officials announced the DNA results. The first two babies probably had the same father, but Angelita was fathered by a different man. California and 46 other states allow parents to legally abandon a child at a hospital or other designated safe zones within 72 hours of birth, no questions asked. Since California's law went into effect in 2001, parents have safely surrendered 182 babies at fire stations, emergency rooms and other safe havens, according to state officials. "This little community is a family. We know pretty much everyone else's business and they know ours," said Eugene Etheridge, principal of Orosi High School. "It's concerning that this could happen again when the most precious thing we have is our children." "

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/town-searches-for-mom-of-abandoned/20070328173109990001

3/29/2007 7:46:59 AM

This lady went through the trouble of having the babies and then just drops them off in the middle of nowhere? You'd think she would have the decency to drop them off at an orphanage, hospital, etc.

Man, I tell you what. Having kids has def changed my view/emotions on things like this. Before I woulda shrugged it off and said "that sucks" and forgot about it. But since I've become a father, everytime I hear something like that, I picture my own kids in that situation.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 7:56 AM. Reason : after kids]

3/29/2007 7:54:20 AM

^Remember the mom that popped a baby out on the street and just kept walking?

3/29/2007 8:40:20 AM

No actually. I try not to read about these things. It just pisses me off

3/29/2007 9:00:48 AM

^agreed...before I became a Mom things involving kids bothered me but now they hit me 100 times harder. Like when Without a Trace, CSI, etc... do a story about anything dealing with a child it makes me cry and angry I think that people that do things to children should have a more severe punishment!!!

3/29/2007 11:37:16 AM

Jesus Christ.

3/29/2007 12:51:28 PM

what you think he raped this chick 3 times?

3/29/2007 1:13:04 PM

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"California and 46 other states allow parents to legally abandon a child at a hospital or other designated safe zones within 72 hours of birth, no questions asked."

i had no idea that was possible

3/29/2007 1:13:11 PM

Yes, it is possible. Which is why every single worthless piece of fuck that abandons a baby like this should be kicked to death or, better yet, stranded on a north bound antarctic ice berg.

Christ, leaving the baby in a booth at Burger King is better than what this lady did.

3/29/2007 1:21:36 PM

^^NC is one of those 46 other States mentioned!!!

3/29/2007 1:48:45 PM

the baby wasn't alive for long... i mean a few hours ago it would have just been another abortion... what's the difference?

3/29/2007 2:15:35 PM

I realize you're probably just being a troll/devil's advocate, but that is just stupid suggesting that the baby had only been alive a few hours when you know the baby is alive in the mother before hand. A few hours ago it would have been just as bad and considered murder. Now if you want to say that its not alive when the mother is only 10 weeks along, thats different and its a debate that doesn't belong in this particular thread.

3/29/2007 2:34:37 PM

gosh, somebody give that lady a pack of rubbers

3/29/2007 2:41:14 PM

^^uh, no.



^get out of my way

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 2:41 PM. Reason : ]

3/29/2007 2:41:35 PM

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"gosh, somebody give that lady whore a pack of rubbers loaded gun"

things like this sicken me to no end.

not only is she a whore because she can't control herself, and ignorant because she doesn't know about birth control methods, but worst of all, she is actually cruel, because she could have left the babies outside hospitals or churches or directly outside random people's homes on their doorsteps.

but no. she had to leave them in places where it took time for them to be doscovered, and exposed to the elements. and one of them, in the bed of a pickup in DECEMBER.

one round between the eyes, point blank.

that's what she deserves has earned.


[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 6:28 PM. Reason : ]

3/29/2007 6:27:32 PM

You know, when people ask me why I don't want children, I should mention people like this.

3/29/2007 6:52:00 PM

^ that implies you are like the people who abandon their children.

3/29/2007 6:58:11 PM

No, it doesn't. I never said I'd abort a baby- I said I don't ever want to have them.

People act like having a child is a necessary part of life for any woman. The truth is, women don't always treat their children well when they have them. You should never have a child if you know you're going to abandon it, and much less THREE children.

I just can't stand people who tell all women it's their duty to keep the child when women who simply can't afford to have the kid might end up doing this.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 7:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 6:59:33 PM

Easy come, easy go

3/29/2007 7:50:50 PM

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"You know, when people ask me why I don't want children, I should mention people like this"

yes, that does imply that you are like the ppl who abandon their children.

note, that says abandon, not abort.

where the hell is that rant coming from anyway? no one here said you HAD to have a kid.

3/29/2007 8:25:28 PM

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"yes, that does imply that you are like the ppl who abandon their children."

How?

Did I ever said I'd abandon a kid?

What the fuck, I just don't want to ever have children

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 8:40 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 8:38:33 PM

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"You know, when people ask me why I don't want children, I should mention people like this"

that pretty much makes no sense at all.

3/29/2007 8:39:30 PM

yeah someone had a little too much crack today

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 8:41 PM. Reason : ]

3/29/2007 8:40:56 PM

It makes perfect sense.

People have looked down on me for saying that I don't want to have kids.

Well here's a woman who's had three kids, but look what she did with them. Having children doesn't mean you're going to be a good parent. That's what I'm saying.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 8:42 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 8:41:15 PM

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"are trying to find the mother and figure out what drove her to such desperate lengths. "

Ya know, she might not even be alive at this point. She might not have wanted any of this to happen and is herself a victim somewhere. Don't be too quick to rush to judgment until you have a decent amount of information. Oh wait, this is TWW, n/m.

3/29/2007 8:44:21 PM

^^what the hell....the more you talk the less sense you make. nothing about having kids means you're going to be a good parent.

and using this woman as a reason not to have kids still implies that you are afraid that you might do the same thing as she.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 8:45 PM. Reason : ]

3/29/2007 8:45:00 PM

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"and using this woman as a reason not to have kids still implies that you are afraid that you might do the same thing as she."

No. I'm just trying to say it would've been a lot easier if she hadn't ever gotten pregnant at all. I'm not worried I'd ever go crazy enough to pump out three kids and abandon them.

My entire point was that I don't know why people look down on women for choosing to not reproduce when women can do some crazy fucking shit like this after they have three kids.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 8:52 PM. Reason : It wouldn't kill anyone to think more carefully about their reproductive capabilities, that's all]

3/29/2007 8:48:41 PM

GOVT SHOULD GIVE OUT ABORTION VOUCHERS TO STUPID PEOPLE

3/29/2007 9:22:49 PM

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"I just can't stand people who tell all women it's their duty to keep the child when women who simply can't afford to have the kid might end up doing this."

The point (as I see it) is not that she should keep the children, nor is it about whether she should be on birth control, or whether she could afford the children, or should she have had an abortion, or whatever. The point is that she chose to abandon the babies outdoors in February, January, and December, when she could quite literally walk into any police station, fire station, church, or hospital and hand the child over with no questions asked whatsoever. Walk in, walk out.

The point is that she could have done anything other than what she did. But she didn't.

3/29/2007 10:12:57 PM

^exaclty! Thank you
and thank you se7entythree I was gonna argue the same points you mentioned above
What makes this even funnier to me is that no mention was made of women needing to have kids or anything of the sort.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 11:14 PM. Reason : I wonder what 4 States do not allow parents to do this?]

3/29/2007 11:14:18 PM

^ What, you want to follow me around now? I was just tangentially relating this to an experience of mine, and you all freak out.

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"The point (as I see it) is not that she should keep the children, nor is it about whether she should be on birth control, or whether she could afford the children, or should she have had an abortion, or whatever."

Okay, but if she didn't have the kids in the first place, this entire abandonment situation could've been avoided. That's the only thing I really wanted to contribute. Like nerdchick said:

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"gosh, somebody give that lady a pack of rubbers"

Of course we all realize that it's stupid that she didn't give them to a safe zone.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 11:27 PM. Reason : /]

3/29/2007 11:22:14 PM

you're the one who spazzed first, we were just reacting to you.

3/30/2007 7:17:35 AM

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"I wonder what 4 States do not allow parents to do this?"

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"Alaska, Hawaii, Nebraska, Vermont, the District of Columbia, and the territories of American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands have not yet addressed the issue of abandoned newborns in legislation. "

http://www.canadiancrc.com/NAIC_Safe_Haven_Laws_USA_NOV04.htm

3/30/2007 7:47:52 AM

^^^actually if you notice you are the one who posted

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"Jesus Christ"

after my original post in this thread and then proceed to freak out about why all women had to have babies when no one even said such a thing in the thread.

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 11:10 AM. Reason : ^]

3/30/2007 11:10:44 AM

I wasn't talking to you. I was replying to the thread.

And I know none of you said that- I was referring to pro-life people who have told me that before. I never said any of you thought that. But then you all misunderstood me, so I had to explain.

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 11:57 AM. Reason : .]

3/30/2007 11:55:42 AM

I never said you were replying to anything I had said either. You just accused me of following you and I was just pointing out the obvious!

3/30/2007 12:52:48 PM

I wonder how old the woman is who's doing this.

4/1/2007 9:49:20 AM

one less kid that the taxpayers have to raise......

4/1/2007 2:50:20 PM