jbl4me Veteran 222 Posts user info edit post |
303 NOT 301 sorry
Anyone making any progress on this one?
Ive gotten to Vind = -d/dt(MagFlux)
And I found MagFlux to be 20B(t)cos(thetaBN)
I'll keep working on it...
UPDATE:
Ive gotten a value for B(t) my angle seems kinda high...over 100deg... [Edited on April 9, 2007 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ...] 4/9/2007 6:08:38 PM |
mathman All American 1631 Posts user info edit post |
could you state the problem? 4/9/2007 6:41:33 PM |
rastaman8 Veteran 292 Posts user info edit post |
I got around 70 degrees...
Are your signs correct?
[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ]
[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 7:20 PM. Reason : ] 4/9/2007 7:19:04 PM |
jbl4me Veteran 222 Posts user info edit post |
i get
20cos(theta)(0.000607) = -0.0068exp(-10t) + C
Is C zero? Then you would just solve for theta. How would I find the possible values for uB?
14.2 anyone? 4/9/2007 7:24:24 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
What happens to B as t->[infinity]? What then must happen to theta as t->[infinity]? This will give you a limiting condition that will allow you to solve for C.
Double check the integration that you used to find an equation for theta.
[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 7:49 PM. Reason : stupid character sets...] 4/9/2007 7:43:21 PM |
rastaman8 Veteran 292 Posts user info edit post |
So saying C goes to zero is incorrect?
Look at the answers to 14.1 to solve 14.2. 4/9/2007 7:45:54 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
Yes, the constant of integration is zero. The statement in the problem about B approaching zero as t approaches infinity gives you the information you need to establish a boundary condition that allows you to solve for C. 4/9/2007 7:51:57 PM |
jbl4me Veteran 222 Posts user info edit post |
I'm still getting theta = 109 deg...I get 70 if it take off my negative sign...but when you integrate e to a - power you will get a minus.
Also any ideas on part B? I must be dense tonight XD 4/9/2007 8:40:51 PM |
HUR All American 17732 Posts user info edit post |
I am so lost right now where did the cosine come from. I guess i didn't do the problem correctly at all.
I am absolutly clueless though about 14-2. Could anyone please explain how to do this one. 4/9/2007 10:05:30 PM |
jbl4me Veteran 222 Posts user info edit post |
14.2 is kinda daunting till you look at 14.1...
since Delta DOT J = -partial(p) / partial(t) and J = sigmaE and Delta DOT E = p / e
You can now say that -partial(p) / partial(t) = sigma * p(t) / e
solve for p(t)
I know its not a delta...its a triangle thingy _____
the cos comes from the dot product of the normal vector to the wire and the unit vector of the B field (i think). since A DOT B = Amag * Bmag * cos(theta).
Im still confused on 13-10 part b...
[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 10:24 PM. Reason : .,..] 4/9/2007 10:22:28 PM |
rastaman8 Veteran 292 Posts user info edit post |
All the negative signs should go away in the end since vind = - d/dt etc......
You will end up with something like:
cos(thetaBN) = [(-#)*e^(-#t)] / [(-#)*B(t)] = +#
thetaBN = cos^-1 (+#)
[Edited on April 9, 2007 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ] 4/9/2007 10:36:42 PM |
jbl4me Veteran 222 Posts user info edit post |
i see... 4/9/2007 10:40:44 PM |
mathman All American 1631 Posts user info edit post |
"its a triangle thingy" = nabla 4/9/2007 11:02:08 PM |
HUR All American 17732 Posts user info edit post |
for 14-2 does the dimensions of the thing not even matter 4/10/2007 12:05:37 AM |
mathman All American 1631 Posts user info edit post |
awww come on, post the problems. 4/10/2007 12:12:41 AM |
lafta All American 14880 Posts user info edit post |
for 13-10 b
here it is
Vinduced = -d/dt( integral(B*dS)) B=B*Ub dS= dS*Un
so when you put B and dS back into the Vinduced equations you have a dot product pull out the scalars, the dot product left Ub*Un is mag of both times cos(theta) between them pulll that out, all thats left is integral of dS = area of square
then plug in t=0.05 value and give then find cos(theta) then theta 4/10/2007 12:18:14 AM |
jbl4me Veteran 222 Posts user info edit post |
HUR: I think you are correct... 4/10/2007 12:23:31 AM |
neolithic All American 706 Posts user info edit post |
Alexander must be slipping or I am missing something. He solves for p(t) in 14-1 part b, so all we have to do is plug in p0, sigma, and epsilon AND he gives the solution to the homework problem? What's that about? 4/10/2007 1:02:29 AM |
rastaman8 Veteran 292 Posts user info edit post |
^ I wondered about that too... 4/10/2007 10:19:23 AM |