Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
Taken from an article at the Washington Post here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001776_pf.html
Quote : | "The White House wants to appoint a high-powered czar to oversee the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with authority to issue directions to the Pentagon, the State Department and other agencies, but it has had trouble finding anyone able and willing to take the job, according to people close to the situation. At least three retired four-star generals approached by the White House in recent weeks have declined to be considered for the position, the sources said, underscoring the administration's difficulty in enlisting its top recruits to join the team after five years of warfare that have taxed the United States and its military." |
So what is everyone else here's take on this? I'm not really comfortable with the idea that the administration keeps inventing new positions to deal with issues that are the president / cabinet's responsibility already.
Besides, the word means EMPEROR.4/11/2007 10:11:18 AM |
xvang All American 3468 Posts user info edit post |
Czar ... sounds catchy to me. I like it
Just think about it, we'll be like the new Roman empire! We already are in some sort of fashion. Why not take hold of it? Of course, we all know what happened to the Roman empire, so there are definately some hesitation because of that. 4/11/2007 10:14:42 AM |
guth Suspended 1694 Posts user info edit post |
one of the most important things for micro-managing anything is to create lots of new positions 4/11/2007 10:20:52 AM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
the most important part of this is that nobody wants any part of the position
Quote : | "The very fundamental issue is, they don't know where the hell they're going," said retired Marine Gen. John J. "Jack" Sheehan, a former top NATO commander who was among those rejecting the job. Sheehan said he believes that Vice President Cheney and his hawkish allies remain more powerful within the administration than pragmatists looking for a way out of Iraq. "So rather than go over there, develop an ulcer and eventually leave, I said, 'No, thanks,' " he said. " |
when so many high profile people are turning the job down, it says alot about the state of the war, and the administration as a whole.4/11/2007 10:38:50 AM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
It's also one more way for them to avoid the responsibility of dealing with the problem themselves don't you think? 4/11/2007 11:43:48 AM |
RedGuard All American 5596 Posts user info edit post |
Sinking ship. 4/11/2007 11:52:07 AM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The very fundamental issue is, they don't know where the hell they're going" |
^^nope, i don't think....nobody wants to be dragged into this when it is so clearly going nowhere and the administration has so adamantly refused to even talk about withdrawal. These are 4 star generals here......I doubt shying away from responsibility is one of their dominant characteristics.
[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]4/11/2007 11:53:34 AM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
^ in shying away from responsibility, I was speaking of the Admin...
And yeah, I'd agree that these guys, the Generals, have a pretty good feel for what's going on and they don't want to be put in there as the future scapegoat for Bush & Kronies. 4/11/2007 12:27:42 PM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
^10-4, I misunderstood........in that case, I totally agree. I actually thought about that. The administration hires the "war czar" to be in control of all tactical decisions......so they effectively shift blame for everything to him.
Problem is, anyone qualified for this position likely sees this as a strong possibility and won't take the job. 4/11/2007 1:14:10 PM |
jcg15 All American 2127 Posts user info edit post |
I don't understand. What is the Secretary of Defense supposed to be doing?
Has the White House discovered that Robert Gates is not a "loyal Bushie?" 4/11/2007 4:02:19 PM |
tennwa33 All American 920 Posts user info edit post |
Isn't there already an intelligence czar? 4/11/2007 6:47:13 PM |
smc All American 9221 Posts user info edit post |
Yea, they'll hang whatever dumb sonambitch that takes this job out to dry. 4/11/2007 7:09:28 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
some countries have a Prime Minister, who is the head of the executive branch, as well as a President who is essentially a 'War Czar' elected/appointed to carry out military objectives as deemed necessary by the civillian goernment. 4/11/2007 7:38:31 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
this would seem unconstitutional to me. 4/11/2007 7:39:52 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Isn't there already an intelligence czar?" |
And a Drug Czar.
And we all know how great and prestigious a position that is... 4/11/2007 9:52:44 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
exactly what I was gonna say
lol 4/11/2007 10:37:20 PM |
roguewolf All American 9069 Posts user info edit post |
Since when did republican administrations expand government and its power?
I mean with the Dept. of Homeland Sec., the Intel "Czar", the War "Czar", isn't any of this odd? 4/12/2007 1:39:32 PM |
Robone85 All American 991 Posts user info edit post |
google PNAC and look at their mission statements. scary stuff. we're going into iran if all goes as planned. kinda catchy. 4/12/2007 3:45:56 PM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
no damn way.......... 4/12/2007 3:53:43 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
I bet this works jsut as well as the war on drugs too 4/12/2007 3:59:42 PM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
4/12/2007 4:02:07 PM |
Mindstorm All American 15858 Posts user info edit post |
Czar... Hrm...
Bad things happen to Czar's, right? 4/13/2007 1:11:39 AM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I bet this works jsut as well as the war on drugs too" |
they fucked up in calling it a war on drugs. Thank god they haven't declared a war on crime yet.4/13/2007 1:47:37 AM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
Shhh. Don't let the terrorists know about the PNAC. 4/13/2007 3:05:02 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
The war on drugs served it's purpose in the beginning (clean up Miami), but it has spiraled out of control on a scale Einstein couldn't even capture. 4/13/2007 3:09:25 AM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53065 Posts user info edit post |
ummm. isn't this what the PRESIDENT is for? really, why do we need yet another "czar," much less for war? imagine how bad it would look to the world if we had a "war czar." At least right now we can say we aren't all about wars, even if it's a blatant lie, and still look decent. But when you have a "war czar," it gets a little bit harder to say such a thing. It's kind of like having a dick in your mouth while saying you never gave anyone a blow job. 4/13/2007 3:29:24 AM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
what jcg said, above.
where did the SECDEF go?
he popped tall when the Walter Reed scandal broke, but then he disappeared again. woulnt a War Czar conflict the SECDEF's authority? 4/13/2007 3:33:45 AM |
hadrian All American 1137 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I don't understand. What is the Secretary of Defense supposed to be doing?
Has the White House discovered that Robert Gates is not a "loyal Bushie?"" |
Basically. It sounds to me like Bush was forced to accept Gates as a reconcillatory choice. Now he doesn't want to tell them what they want to here so he gets neutralized.
See also: Colin Powell
What's really great is that this "Reaganite/Small Government" President likes to create huge Bueracracies, apparently mainly to employ paedophiles and Bush cousins.
[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 9:51 AM. Reason : ...]4/13/2007 9:46:32 AM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
i really can't help but think this administration is trying to turn this govt into a monarchy 4/13/2007 9:51:01 AM |