Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar wasn't able to obtain a gun permit because the of the harder gun control laws in Orange County, as well as in North Carolina compared to Virginia.

So, to me it comes down to GUN CONTROL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Reza_Taheri-azar

4/20/2007 9:47:23 AM

To me it comes down to the fact that this chinaman's mental history was not properly reported, which would have kept him from obtaining a firearm.

4/20/2007 9:48:44 AM

He's seems like a screw up to me. I seriously doubt he could have killed as many as Cho.

Come on, he turned himself in. Cho shot himself in the head. You can tell Cho was more serious.

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 9:51 AM. Reason : d]

4/20/2007 9:50:27 AM

It means, Mental History is highly subjective and people can fall through the ranks, escape the restrictions... But, a stringent gun control is the only answer from preventing future attacks.

4/20/2007 9:50:52 AM

If he'd had a gun, this guy probably would have just wounded a few people and then turned himself in.

Just as he did with the car.

4/20/2007 9:52:02 AM

But, a stringent car control is the only answer from preventing future attacks.

4/20/2007 9:52:26 AM

He could've also out-ed 100's had he opened fire after a Duke game or something..

4/20/2007 9:52:59 AM

I don't think he really wanted to do anything like that.

If he'd wanted to, he could have continued attacking folks with his car or whatever.

Instead, he decided to give up.

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 9:54 AM. Reason : d]

4/20/2007 9:54:23 AM

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"Mental History is highly subjective and people can fall through the ranks"

If I remember correctly, he was admitted to a mental hospital where he was evaluated and found to be a threat to himself and others and the the facility failed to properly file the findings so that it didn't turn up when the shop owner ran a background check to sell the gun.

4/20/2007 9:56:29 AM

People can go "mental" anytime. They don't have to be a mental nutcase to just one day start thinking about shooting some people.

But, I think it sucks in Virginia, since anyone can walk in and buy a gun (with background check of course), while it takes longer, and takes some paper work to do the same in NC.

4/20/2007 9:59:40 AM

If people can go "mental" anytime then it doesn't matter what restrictions you put in place.

4/20/2007 10:00:58 AM

The real question is, could Cho pass the swim test?

4/20/2007 10:02:19 AM

that guy could have killed a bunch of people easily with a SUV, so are you saying we should ban SUV too?

4/20/2007 10:07:40 AM

many of the liberal nuts on TWW would love to se an SUV ban.

4/20/2007 10:11:51 AM

If all the other students had been carryign firearms the death count may have only been one or 2. If the professors had been allowed to carry personal firearms death count would have been less.

Hell if people were carryign firearms the chapel hill car attack may have been ended early.

4/20/2007 10:14:29 AM

If all the other students had been carryign firearms the death count may have only been 45 or 57

4/20/2007 10:15:22 AM

another idiot

4/20/2007 10:16:58 AM

nobody knows what might have happened if someone else had had a firearm.

maybe the death toll would have been less. Maybe it would have been more. Maybe other students might have been killed by stray bullets intended for the killer.

Even if CCW permits allowed you to carry at VT, how many people do you think would have actually been carrying? Don't assume that the killer would have walked into a classroom full of armed students. Realistically, it's doubtful that anything would have been different.

Going back and asking "what if" is as useful as wondering where our football program would be now if Amato had redshirted rivers his freshman year.

4/20/2007 10:20:22 AM

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"If all the other students had been carryign firearms the death count may have only been 45 or 57"

So you think random people would have started shooting each other after Cho cut loose? Mass chaos and all that?

4/20/2007 10:21:07 AM

whenever I carry my gun concealed in public


I always stop and shoot at everyone



I can't help it, the power of the gun compels me

4/20/2007 10:24:41 AM

Taheri-azar: "I did intend to use a handgun to murder the citizens and residents of Chapel Hill, North Carolina but the process of receiving a permit for a handgun in this city is highly restricted and out of my reach at the present, most likely due to my foreign nationality."

4/20/2007 10:25:05 AM

Yeah, he probably would have used a handgun had he been able.

But most gunmen don't get results like Cho. Most aren't that good or committed. I doubt this guy would have been.

4/20/2007 10:26:24 AM

^^ he would have the same problem anywhere in the state

not just chapel hill


and your knowledge of guns and gun laws is limited, but yet here you are spouting off dumb shit


kinda like this lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

4/20/2007 10:28:07 AM

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"So you think random people would have started shooting each other after Cho cut loose? Mass chaos and all that? "

no, but i think its just as plausable for people to have pulled out guns, and in the confusion and chaos, end up hitting other innocent people.

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 10:31 AM. Reason : d]

4/20/2007 10:30:41 AM

I feel thats an acceptable risk


I'm sure those people just wanted a chance to survive


it's a sad day when we even have to talk about needing a gun on a campus for protection


society

4/20/2007 10:35:04 AM

its just as plausible that 20,000 people would've died

4/20/2007 10:35:23 AM

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"it's a sad day when we even have to talk about needing a gun on a campus for protection"

we dont, this was an isolated incident that pro-gun people are using as disgusting rallying call for allowing guns on campus. its so reactionary, i bet you also love shorter tailgating.

4/20/2007 10:37:04 AM

Quote :

"If all the other students had been carryign firearms the death count may have only been 45 or 57"

NOBODY is arguing that all the other students should've been carrying

just that if there had been one or two people with a legally concealed weapon in there, it would've likely been different (for the better)

and it is well established (statistically and anecdotally) that CCP holders are not problematic in the least. there is nothing magical about a college campus that would change that.

this is an argument that you cannot possibly win. i don't know why you keep trying.


^it's not reactionary; it's something i've supported for a while. it just happens to have people's attention at the moment.

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 10:38 AM. Reason : asdf]

4/20/2007 10:37:16 AM

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"NOBODY is arguing that all the other students should've been carrying"

ahem,

Quote :

"If all the other students had been carryign firearms the death count may have only been one or 2. "

Quote :

"this is an argument that you cannot possibly win. i don't know why you keep trying."

im not arguing about this...im just saying what i believe. i dont care if you agree or not....im not out to "win" anything.


[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 10:41 AM. Reason : d]

4/20/2007 10:38:08 AM

dude wasn't right in the head, seriously, people wondered why he didn't speak to anyone

it's because he sounded like a 5 year old and he didn't want to embarrass himself

4/20/2007 10:38:29 AM

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"this was an isolated incident that pro-gun people are using as disgusting rallying call for allowing guns on campus"

this was an isolated incident that anti-gun people are using as disgusting rallying call for banning all guns

4/20/2007 10:40:03 AM

More gun control would only make it harder to legally obtain a gun. If you are plannin on going on a shooting rampage, you con't care if the gun is legal . . . it is just the easiest way for you to get a gun. So once the legal way becomes more difficult, the easier way is to obtain it illegally. There are plenty of ways to get a gun with the only requirement being cash in hand.

It's like arguing about stopping someone from breaking into your home. You take preventative measures, but there is only so much you can do . . . if they want in, they will find a way in.

4/20/2007 10:40:26 AM

^^^^ i stand corrected. that's the first i've seen that mentioned.

i bet i could convince him pretty easily that it's not the answer, though.




and (a) you say you aren't out to "win" anything, but you sure aren't arguing to lose

and (b) why do you dogmatically cling to a position that has been methodically torn to shreds at every turn?

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 10:42 AM. Reason : asdf]

4/20/2007 10:40:48 AM

believe it or not, there are dumbasses on both sides of the issue.

4/20/2007 10:41:56 AM

oh, i couldn't agree more

4/20/2007 10:43:04 AM

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"we dont, this was an isolated incident that pro-gun people are using as disgusting rallying call for allowing guns on campus. its so reactionary, i bet you also love shorter tailgating."

it may be "isolated", but it happened and has happened before at other places

hahaha, yeah right, lets see all the knee jerk bs that comes out of DC... like the video I posted


wtf does shorter tailgating have to do with anything?

I despise the new tailgating rules btw

4/20/2007 10:45:41 AM

i don't even know what the new tailgating rules are...been out of the area for 3 years

but if NCSU thought they were a good idea, i'm sure they're gayer than a pink fanny pack full of dicks

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 10:48 AM. Reason : asdsdf]

4/20/2007 10:48:39 AM

^ I lol'd

4/20/2007 10:59:12 AM

I don't know if it's that great of an idea of a classroom where everyone is carrying a concealed weapon. Suppose someone comes in shooting at a class, and everyone instinctively started shooting back in self-defense? You'd have a gunfight going on, and people are going to end up injured and killed in the crossfire. Sure it's a hypothetical situation, and I can't say what would happen in that situation, but an outcome like that is possible. There's so many people saying shoulda, coulda, woulda, but it seems like the ones most vocal are the ones who think they're such badasses that they would have easily taken the guy down if they were in that situation.

4/20/2007 12:03:43 PM

Quote :

"a classroom where everyone is carrying a concealed weapon"

4/20/2007 12:04:45 PM

^thanks for your input

4/20/2007 12:06:58 PM

well considering NOBODY is saying EVERYONE should have concealed weapons, you've apparently completely missed the point

what they're saying, is people who can already legally carry concealed everywhere else in Virginia, except for campus, should be able to carry on campus

or do people who have already been certified and qualified to carry concealed throughout the city and state somehow turn into raving lunatics as soon as they step on campus?

4/20/2007 12:08:20 PM

pete and repeat were in a boat.. pete jumped in.. who was left?

4/20/2007 12:10:29 PM

repeat

4/20/2007 12:11:49 PM

thank god he didn't have a truck filled with a fertilizer bomb

4/20/2007 12:12:11 PM

Quote :

"I don't know if it's that great of an idea of a classroom where everyone is carrying a concealed weapon. Suppose someone comes in shooting at a class, and everyone instinctively started shooting back in self-defense? You'd have a gunfight going on, and people are going to end up injured and killed in the crossfire. Sure it's a hypothetical situation, and I can't say what would happen in that situation, but an outcome like that is possible. There's so many people saying shoulda, coulda, woulda, but it seems like the ones most vocal are the ones who think they're such badasses that they would have easily taken the guy down if they were in that situation."

no

it's a fucking horrible idea for everyone in a class to be carring a concealed weapon

that's one of the stupidest fucking notions i could possibly dream up

which is why i'm not arguing for anything of the sort

and nobody else--save maybe that one dude in this thread on TWW--thinks it's a good idea, either

there is no need to keep bringing up this crazy, hypothetical, Tarantino-moviesque, batshit insane scenario.





oh, but for the record, if i'd been in that situation, with either my trusty .45 or my old SIG, that douchebag would've been a dead motherfucker long before he killed 30 people (unless i happened to be one of the first few people shot, in which case, we'd just be back to where we started).

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 12:19 PM. Reason : asdfsdfsdfsdfasdf]

4/20/2007 12:16:20 PM

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"there is no need to keep bringing up this crazy, hypothetical, Tarantino-moviesque, batshit insane scenario."

haha... LOL.

gg.

4/20/2007 12:19:24 PM

haha, no shit


no one wants EVERYONE to be armed


sheep, sheepdogs, wolves

4/20/2007 12:20:19 PM

I was kinda thinking what I'd do if I was a student in a classroom the guy walked in... at first of course I thought "shoot him in the face". But oh wait, you can't carry on campus. Which is for good reason - rare instances like this aren't enough of a reason to extend CCPs to campuses (especially tailgating).

I guess the only thing you could do is wait for him if you heard him coming and hope enough people could wrestle the guns from him... Afterall, if you're in a near ambush the only thing you can do is attack... I honestly woulda thought that with such a huge corps of cadets someone woulda figured that out!

4/20/2007 12:22:32 PM

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"rare instances like this aren't enough of a reason to extend CCPs to campuses (especially tailgating)."

i seriously doubt either of the shooters tailgating at State a couple years back had CCPs, so that kinda completely nullifies your point

4/20/2007 12:24:38 PM