. . .posting a transcript of a George Washington Thanksgiving proclamation and a link to Pat Buchanan's Web site. If it had been anti-conservative propaganda, you wouldn't have heard a peep.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/5/7/141902.shtml?s=al&promo_code=3397-1

5/9/2007 3:14:07 AM

i've never read the proclamation so whats so anti-freedom/american about it? Or is it so american/pro-freedom that it makes bush look bad?

5/9/2007 3:40:37 AM

Quote :

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:" Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted' for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us. And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have show kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best. Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d dy of October, A.D. 1789. --G. Washington "

I'm guessing its this one.

Emailing this is perhaps in bad taste when coupled with the Buchanan link, but it
sure doesn't seem like grounds to fire him. Maybe there is more to this story.

5/9/2007 3:53:43 AM

I'm suggesting that it is selective enforcement of the college's e-mail policy--especially when one considers the following quotation from the link above:

Quote :

"On Jan. 3, 2007, MCCCD found that Kehowski was guilty of violating policies limiting e-mail usage to messages that 'support education, research, scholarly communication, administration, and other MCCCD business.' These policies also prohibit 'mailings to large numbers of people that contain unwanted solicitations or information.' However, MCCCD employees commonly use the 'announcements' service to send out unsolicited information, according to a statement from FIRE [Foundation for Individual Rights in Education]. Recent e-mails sent out using this service include an advertisement for purchasing goats for orphans in Uganda, quotes about Women’s History Month, and a reminder about the health benefits of eating bananas."

[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 4:05 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2007 4:01:48 AM

it sounds like their is alot more to the story than they are saying, but it still probably isn't justified.

5/9/2007 4:05:35 AM

salisburyboy

5/9/2007 6:04:23 AM

ok so he gets fired because Thanksgiving was a day set to thank God? lol how is this a free country again?

5/9/2007 6:07:09 AM

There definitely has to be more to this story, not to mention he's an instructor in a community college. They're trying to make him out to be some big shot professor.

5/9/2007 8:38:49 AM

No I think we should jump to conclusions based solely on a Newsmax stories early reports!

5/9/2007 9:56:44 AM

Haha. Newsmax. Rings of old times when GGMon and his ilk roamed the SB.

5/9/2007 10:14:25 AM

Seriously, who reads NewsMax?

5/9/2007 10:18:18 AM

Attn: Posters who link newsmax.com articles ...

5/9/2007 10:43:10 AM

Quote :

"Seriously, who reads NewsMax?"

I guess you can try to attack the source, but does it change the crux of the story?

Quote :

"On March 9, MCCCD Chancellor Rufus Glasper placed Kehowski on administrative leave and recommended to the MCCCD governing board that he be dismissed. Kehowski has since appealed that decision and will defend himself at a hearing before a panel of three faculty members on June 5."

That's pretty straightforward...
The story could be completely false, but so could stories on CNN and MSNBC.

This isn't an editorial, it's a news story. Please show me any right-wing bias anywhere in the story. Although editorially right-leaning, NewsMax is usually pretty accurate in the stories it chooses to report.

5/9/2007 11:01:14 AM

yeah i began to doubt newsmax when i saw a link to a book that said our human rights would dissolve if the word "God" was taken out of the declaration of independence.

5/9/2007 11:05:51 AM

they had the professor on hannity and colmes last night

5/9/2007 11:11:11 AM

Quote :

"There definitely has to be more to this story, not to mention he's an instructor in a community college. They're trying to make him out to be some big shot professor."

WTF, they clearly said he was tenured. I mean, I guess he still could be and all, but really, wtf

5/9/2007 11:22:02 AM

Tenure means different things in different places. In a community college or a school, it doesn't really mean shit. In a University, it provides insulation from political opposition and personal vendettas.

5/9/2007 11:25:36 AM

Quote :

"I guess you can try to attack the source, but does it change the crux of the story?"

Yes, when the story's written by a glorified right-wing blog and contains no citations.

"They complaining employees also cited the fact that[...]"-- top notch journalism, folks.


^ Heck, high school teachers get tenure, too.

[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2007 4:45:20 PM

This may shock some of you that are attacking the listed source of this story--the mainstream media doesn't cover A LOT of important stories! OH NOES!

Whether you think the event at issue happened or not is irrelevant--it did happen. The only issue in dispute is why it happened. You moonbats try to focus now, k? Thx.

BTW, does an AP story in the Tucson Citizen meet your proper source criteria?

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/50919.php

V Fucking idiot--I never said any of that.



[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 10:08 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2007 9:50:43 PM

IT HAPPENED BECAUSE I SAID IT HAPPENED

AND IT HAPPENED EXACTLY AS NEWSMAX SAID IT DID


Ah, and now we have the full story:

Quote :

"In the past, Kehowski has angered some employees and students with his e-mails, leading to debate over academic freedom and how far professors can go in expressing opinions. In 2003, Kehowski e-mailed employees several Internet links that contained statements about Hispanics. The titles on the Web sites included, "Mexicans Think U.S. Belongs to Them!" and "Mexican Double Standard." Glendale Community College administrators said his postings were abrasive and divisive, but said they could do little to prevent professors from expressing their views outside class. "

The guy's a dick who emails politically divisive stuff to all his coworkers. This is a community college; not exactly the hollowed halls of academia. If the guy's still being a jerk after prior warnings, give him the boot.

Multiple infractions of this type would be more than enough to get me fired, so why not him?

[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 10:16 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2007 10:02:24 PM

^ I have to throw the bullshit flag on that one. There is a similar computer policy at NC State that is continually violated--mainly by liberals spewing anti-Bush ranting. I've seen it time and time again.

I find a number of things politically divisive--so what? Either one has the right to free speech or one does not. Did you even read some of the other examples of e-mails that had been posted in the same manner?

Quote :

"Recent e-mails sent out using this service include an advertisement for purchasing goats for orphans in Uganda [soliciting], quotes about Women’s History Month [controversial and divisive], and a reminder about the health benefits of eating bananas [infringes on my right to choose my own food]."

BTW, "hollowed" (sic)? You shouldn't be putting down community colleges when you can't even spell "hallowed." LOL! The "hollowed halls"--you're a fucking joke, Boone-tard.





[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 10:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2007 10:33:38 PM

Quote :

"Glendale Community College administrators said his postings were abrasive and divisive, but said they could do little to prevent professors from expressing their views outside class. He said Kehowski's Nov. 22 e-mail violated the district's electronic communications policy, which bans using district e-mail for private or personal matters. "

OK .. so the email on Hispanics was considered an abrasive and divisive view expressed outside the class and safe from discipline. But Washington's proclamation about Thanksgiving and a link to Buchanan's political website was considered a private or personal communication? Sounds a bit fishy.

The administration is probably stuck with this strategy because the defense can present tons of political emails that have passed through the system. They are stuck with showing that his email is on the same level as trading recipes and making social plans by email. Good Luck.

By the way...I found the story also on the Arizona Star News website as well. So I guess NewsMax is off the hook on this one?

[Edited on May 9, 2007 at 11:11 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2007 11:10:13 PM

^ But some here drank the Kool-Aid. All they can do is attack the source--it's easier than dealing with the reality of a given issue.

5/9/2007 11:37:29 PM

OUTRAGE!!!1 Grrr! Grrr! Grrr!!

Is that better for you?

5/10/2007 12:06:23 AM

^ No.

5/10/2007 12:07:21 AM

Bummer.

5/10/2007 12:09:22 AM

I think it's dumb that people complained that there was a link to Buchanan's website. I mean, wtf? It sounds like he wasn't trying to say "hey, check out pat's website." Rather, he just linked to some page on the website that had the Address on it. Jeez, that's pretty stupid. Grow up people...

5/10/2007 12:25:24 AM

I thought even other conservatives didn't like buchanan. Isn't he a segregationist?

5/10/2007 2:27:20 AM

i think it's pretty clear that conservatives don't like Buchanan. That's why he's not winning any Repub nominations for anything any time soon

5/10/2007 4:10:56 PM

So as far as divisiveness goes, an email promoting women's history is on par with an email denouncing Mexicans?

uhuh

5/10/2007 4:16:52 PM

^ That's the "hollowed halls" for you, Boone-tard!

5/10/2007 10:45:39 PM

My point is invalid because it contained a spelling error.

5/10/2007 10:51:27 PM

Webster likes to feel important.

5/11/2007 12:15:15 AM

5/11/2007 12:20:24 AM

Wow, hooksaw, in the SAME post you contradict yourself:

Quote :

"This may shock some of you that are attacking the listed source of this story--the mainstream media doesn't cover A LOT of important stories!"

Quote :

" does an AP story in the Tucson Citizen meet your proper source criteria? "

Wait, so is an AP story not mainstream media?

This would be hilarious, if you weren't serious about it...

Quote :

" Recent e-mails sent out using this service include an advertisement for purchasing goats for orphans in Uganda [soliciting], quotes about Women’s History Month [controversial and divisive], and a reminder about the health benefits of eating bananas [infringes on my right to choose my own food]."

Hahahaha, you're getting pissed off about someone one a COMMUNITY COLLEGE mailing list sending out email about BANANAS. HAHAHAHA

And then you're trying to compare this to sending out an pejorative emails denouncing spanish people! Does that make any sense to you?

There is a valid argument to be made that could support your side, but you are FAR, FAR from making it. You're just continuing to make yourself and other conservatives, unfortunately, look like complete idiots.

5/11/2007 1:15:33 AM

^ YOU are a fucking idiot and so are the others that routinely show up to circle jerk one another concerning the outrageously "conservative" thread du jour. It's fucking lame.

Concerning the "spelling error" made by Boone-tard (being referred to as a 'tard gets old, doesn't it?), I emphasized it in light of his post:

Quote :

"This is a community college; not exactly the hollowed [sic] halls of academia."

If you're going to mock an institution or anything else, you should make damn sure that you don't make a mockery of yourself in the process. But it's too late to avoid that solecism, isn't it?

Concerning the post by moron (you username does not begin to describe your apparent mental age), it's typically laughable. Note well, ultra-moron, that the initial story at issue was posted by Newsmax on May 7. The AP story was not published by the Tucson Citizen until May 8. Since I know that so many of you liberals howl like scalded moonbats when a source such as Newsmax is used--instead of focusing on the facts--I would have happily used AP or a more mainstream source instead. But--surprise!--the MSM was playing catch up as usual.

So >.< --yet again--and piss off.



[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 2:10 AM. Reason : .]

5/11/2007 2:03:49 AM

people, hooksaw is salisburyboy

5/11/2007 5:50:59 AM

My initial point was not that the source was Newsmax, my point was jumping to conclusions based on an early report in ANY publication, especially one that is brief and presents quotes from only two sources both on the same side of the story, is stupid.

5/11/2007 11:49:52 AM

Quote :

"Concerning the post by moron (you username does not begin to describe your apparent mental age), it's typically laughable. Note well, ultra-moron, that the initial story at issue was posted by Newsmax on May 7. The AP story was not published by the Tucson Citizen until May 8. Since I know that so many of you liberals howl like scalded moonbats when a source such as Newsmax is used--instead of focusing on the facts--I would have happily used AP or a more mainstream source instead. But--surprise!--the MSM was playing catch up as usual"

Haha, wow you are dumber than I originally thought. In the SAME sentence where you are attacking people for attacking a source, you yourself are attacking the poster, instead of the message.

So let me get this straight... you saw the story on NewsMax, devoid of any meaningful facts, full of conservative bias and somehow this makes NewsMax better than the AP report, which actually contains more info, and shows some sign of investigation? The fact that you were so quick to jump on a NewsMax story, and that you implied that NewsMax was the superior news agency in this case just clearly shows how much of a conservative nutjob you are. You probably can go on living your life in your own delusions, but please, please try not to reproduce (if you haven't already, which i'm guessing you haven't -- maybe that's why you're so bitter and blinded?).

Quote :

"people, hooksaw is salisburyboy"

The disjointed logic, unreasonable hatred of the "MSM," and insane ranting style are all very salisburyboy-esque.

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 1:04 PM. Reason : ]

5/11/2007 12:49:30 PM

I for one, do not believe that Hooksaw is

(1) 40 years old

(2) a grad student at state

(3) a TA in CHASS.

...

not a single person here knows who he really is or what he looks like

i think hes more like a 50 year old self-educated crank who likes to leer at 20 year old girls and holler about liberal propaganda.

i also think hooksaw = iphotou

5/11/2007 1:58:14 PM

Quote :

"the initial story at issue was posted by Newsmax on May 7. The AP story was not published by the Tucson Citizen until May 8. [...] --surprise!--the MSM was playing catch up as usual"

Hahah, so you really think Newsmax got the scoop on this?

Newsmax almost certainly sourced this story from the AP (no citations-- tisk tisk)

If the AP had indeed played catch-up, how on earth did they have time 1) read the Newsmax article posted at 2:06pm 2) investigate the issue further and get interviews (afterall, they did provide more info) 3) still post it in time for a 2nd party to post it on their website less than 10 hours after Newsmax posted?

This is Newsmax taking an AP article and conveniently leaving out the parts of the story that don't support their nutty views (i.e. his previous inflammatory emails that you've still not seriously addressed).

And then you wonder why we don't trust Newsmax.


And this is where he'll come in to call us names, but ignore our arguments.

5/11/2007 3:47:00 PM

I'm honestly confused, when exactly do we have free speech rights ?

5/11/2007 10:48:20 PM

Quote :

"I guess you can try to attack the source, but does it change the crux of the story?"

So if I were to cite an article from Pravda, you would be ok?

5/12/2007 1:01:43 AM

Quote :

"I'm honestly confused, when exactly do we have free speech rights ?"

i no rite

People should be able to say whatever they want at their job, and their employers should have no say over it.

5/12/2007 2:25:43 AM

Quote :

"So if I were to cite an article from Pravda, you would be ok?"

Let's check some current Pravda headlines...

"Miss Universe Contestants Pose in Bikinis"

"Hollywood's Most Beautiful Bosoms"

"Paris Hilton Autopsy to be Displayed in New York"

"Ghost Photos: Fake or Real?"

"Russian Girl Band and Ukrainian Drag Queen Prepare for Eurovison Song Contest"


Looks OK to me

5/12/2007 10:44:09 AM

I, for one, do not believe that joe_shithead has a full head of hair.



You're an idiot. If you had ever bothered to check Study Hall, you would know that I'm a TA, which means that I'm also a grad student. But why does it obviously matter so much to you? And, unlike you until I shamed you into changing it, my age has ALWAYS been correct in my user info. If I were going to lie about my age, do you think I would choose 40, you fucking imbecile? You're my bitch--deal with it.

I realize that some of you here are obsessed with me. I think it's unhealthy for you--try to stick to the topic at issue, k?

PS: STFU. . .Boone-tard et al!

[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2007 11:48:14 AM

you sure have the maturity of a freshman in high school

5/12/2007 11:58:55 AM

hahah, you definitely wouldn't choose 40.

Because, I mean...

What a shitty age to still be in grad school for Liberal Studies

5/12/2007 12:10:18 PM

^^ Thx!

^ Actually, it's the perfect age. And, unlike others in check-off-the-boxes curricula, I can build virtually any concentration that I choose. BTW, you really should STFU, history boy.

5/12/2007 12:18:24 PM

Hah, that's actually History -Education- boy.

Meaning I earned a degree that actually got me a job.

And I did it before middle-age


http://www.grad.ncsu.edu/catalog/prg.asp?id=LS

hahahaha, you didn't even need to take the GRE to get in. This sounds like the lamest degree ever conceived of. Wtf is the point of it?

Look at this stuff:

http://www.chass.ncsu.edu/ids/mals/concentrations.html

I find it extremely hilarious that you're supposedly a product of curricula like these.



[Edited on May 12, 2007 at 12:30 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2007 12:20:26 PM