i think Bush has got to be the biggest moron in US history. he is a disgrace to republicans and conservatives. when you have bush supporting the immigration bill AND opposing the part where they pay back taxes....a part that fucking ted kennedy supported.....i dont know what to say. he is a fuckin moron [/rant]

5/21/2007 8:46:48 PM

i'm sure that if you asked CrazyJ nicely enough, he'd allow you to change your username

5/21/2007 9:16:05 PM

Na, it is getting to the point/has passed the point where republicans are starting to avoid Bush.

5/21/2007 9:22:23 PM

'Bush' gets the brunt of all the hate, but these aren't decisions that he makes alone. I always got the impression that Bush was just a front man for whomever behind the scenes really runs the show. Is it Karl Rove that is the main perpetrator for all this douchebaggery? Is it a collection of folks? Or do each of them (Bush + Rove + anyone else in that tight circle) really just sit around and come up with the most bass akwards way to go about whatever they set out to do?

5/21/2007 9:27:47 PM

none the less, if he is too stupid or too spineless to stand up to said people, he'd still deserve the blame. he really does get the last (at least public) call.

5/21/2007 9:30:24 PM

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"a part that fucking ted kennedy supported"

You do realize "No Child Left Behind" was 98% Ted Kennedy's education bill right?

5/21/2007 9:31:21 PM

You do realize that 87% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot.

5/21/2007 9:44:36 PM

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"Bush' gets the brunt of all the hate, but these aren't decisions that he makes alone. I always got the impression that Bush was just a front man for whomever behind the scenes really runs the show."

i have always thought this. bush minions i.e cheney and rove are the evil ones behind the scenes pulling strings. bush is too stupid i think to cause in damage.

as far as back taxes go how are we supposed to calculate how much they owe in back taxes when it has all been underground due to there illegal status. much less being able to shell out the "owed" cash. i doubt half those border jumpers have $1000's laying around to pay all there taxes they would have payed over the last 10 years. although i do think the reform is needed so that they know will be taxed.

5/21/2007 9:55:21 PM

I don't see how we could possibly hope to enforce the back taxes thing.

5/21/2007 10:09:55 PM

hahaha this idiot thinks poor people pay taxes

5/21/2007 10:14:08 PM

as far as republicans goes I might accept someone who is educated and has made a thoughtful analysis about why they like bush's politics. however, i fucking want to slap people who have there head in the sand with no clue about what's going on in the news and go around shouting "DUBYA" just b.c they consider themselves "republican". I guess being a republican means you must follow your leader blindly without first evaluating rather or not they are doing a good job. I guarantee if Hitler were a republican president, half the rednecks around here would have a "Adolf 04" stickers on their truck from the last election.

5/21/2007 10:58:20 PM

godwin's law

5/21/2007 11:16:56 PM

No matter how much damage Bush does through his stupid international policies you have to admit it's better than the stupid shit Kerry (or any democrat) would have done with domestic policies.

When it comes down to it (true) Republicans can make wrong decisions, but (true) Democrats support wrong and proven flawed policies.


Now if we could just get Republicans to nominate fiscally conservative Republicans instead of the sexy "more electable" neocons.

5/21/2007 11:36:09 PM

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"Now if we could just get Republicans to nominate fiscally conservative Republicans instead of the sexy"

I would potentially vote this candidate as long he does not plan to actively support the pressing of Christian values onto society.

I tend to find the democratic promiscuousness (not counting the insane cost of the Iraq war started by Bush) in spending and socialist polices more tolerable then war hawk neo-cons and republic candidates who support the return of traditional values (ie anti-aborition, pro drug war, etc)

a moderate fiscally conservative republican sounds like my kind a guy. a lot better then obama or fucking Hillary. honestly it is the only chance repubs have at winning a 08 election. but knowing the primaries they will probably pick a hardcore conservative or one of bush's cronies.

5/22/2007 12:09:13 AM

Fred Thompson is probably the only legitimate Reagan-type conservative who is considering a run. And he is not without his faults.

5/22/2007 2:15:41 AM

^^ What about Romney or Rudy?

5/22/2007 8:02:54 AM

i do not know much about romney, but i could see myself potentially supporting rudy

5/22/2007 8:16:10 AM

Romney's a mormon, and therefore as evangelical as you'll get.

Guliani is Bush lite.

McCain is the only GOP candidate I'd vote for. Otherwise, I'm going to vote like i did in '04 and vote for anyone who's not the incumbent.

5/22/2007 8:19:00 AM

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"No matter how much damage Bush does through his stupid international policies you have to admit it's better than the stupid shit Kerry (or any democrat) would have done with domestic policies."

No, I can't admit that.

5/22/2007 8:53:54 AM

i can't admit that either.

what are the disastrous domestic policies you think would have been implemented in the past 2 years?

5/22/2007 9:04:04 AM

basically any cause the Dems support.

Grow up, get a job, and affiliate yourself with intelligent social policies.

5/22/2007 10:26:54 AM

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"I guarantee if Hitler were a republican president, half the rednecks around here would have a "Adolf 04" stickers on their truck from the last election"

I still see gore/kerry/edwards stickers on lots of volvos and such


not much difference

5/22/2007 10:46:02 AM

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"basically any cause the Dems support. Grow up, get a job, and affiliate yourself with intelligent social policies."

So you think a Dem president would have squandered 1 trillion dollars (ok, were only at ~500 billion at the moment, right?) in the same amount of time frame as this admin has only to actually be a step back from where we were to begin with (wrecked soldiers, wrecked equipment, more terrorists)?

Apparently, with all your work tasks, and your pathetic attempt to stir up pointless controversy, you missed the part where a Dem president would have faced a republican majority in both houses. He wouldn't have accomplished much of anything, which is exactly what Bush has accomplished, only the Dem would have done it for free.

5/22/2007 11:28:42 AM

^^^ oh, good point. If Kerry had been elected, we'd probably all be married to same sex partners, the birth rate would drop to zero because abortions would be mandatory, all guns would be confiscated and melted down, and our tax rate would be at 95% just to fund a bunch of art museums.

[Edited on May 22, 2007 at 11:30 AM. Reason : .]

5/22/2007 11:29:49 AM

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"Na, it is getting to the point/has passed the point where republicans are starting to avoid Bush."

I know that I'll be flamed for bringing up a comparison to Bill Clinton, but Clinton had a much higher approval rating at the end of his second term, yet Al Gore made it a major part of his campaign to distance himself from him - and it won him the election.

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"You do realize that 87% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot."

Pffft....only 24.5% of internet users know that.

5/22/2007 1:51:04 PM

ah yes, the perpetual liberal circle jerk

bush is an idiot!
bush is just a puppet for cheney!
bush is an idiot!
bush is just a puppet for cheney!
etc
etc

5/22/2007 1:53:56 PM

^ that's not happening in this thread... yet

5/22/2007 1:55:57 PM

actually it is

republican18 is basically saying he's an idiot "biggest moron"

blind hate says he is a puppet "Bush was just a front man"

cyrion says he is an idiot "he is too stupid"

HUR says both: "bush minions i.e cheney and rove are the evil ones behind the scenes pulling strings. bush is too stupid "

etc

5/22/2007 2:00:47 PM

republican18 is not a liberal, so that can't count as being part of a liberal circle jerk. And you have at least as many known conservatives mixing their comments in.

For it to be a circle jerk, only the liberal posters should be posting, and they should all be jerking.

Right now, you have some liberals, not in a circle, doing a little bit of jerking.

5/22/2007 2:07:01 PM

point being, thats the two knocks on bush

he's either an idiot, because he stumbles on his words sometimes or gets photographed with a puzzled face

and/or he's a puppet, because he's too dumb to do all the sheisty shit

its nothing new...the same lame knocks on him the past 6 years

5/22/2007 2:09:34 PM

i think he's mostly just tried to rally more support (from immigrants that eventually become citizens)

other than that I don't really agree with it.....

if massive amounts of non-tax paying illegal immigrants didn't flood hospitals so much that they go bankrupt just about, and if they kept most of the money inside the country inputing back into the economy rather than sending it off to mexico or guatamala.... then I would be in heavy favor of open immigration again...

as it is the US economy probably props up several american countries up via illegals sending money back....

5/22/2007 2:10:32 PM

had a wild thought and i'll throw out the idea here

lets say the "north american union" talk is overblown...lets say govco doesnt exactly want mexico, usa and canada to be one big nation...however lets say they do want more open borders

could one of the reasons be to get millions of mexicans here that like us so we can send them to the middle east to fight? cause i mean their skin tone looks more similar to arabs than white and black people's do

5/22/2007 2:12:06 PM

aha, that's actually somewhat amusing, but you have a point... perhaps that should be a voting right requirement? (nah, sounds good but in practice not so good)

usually the most patriotic people are ones first born here or ones just arrived. b/c face it, this country pretty much kicks every other countries ass... especially in terms of quality of life....

actually, if we were able to get rid of several of our overly expensive social services and such (government) obtaining Canada and Mexico wouldn't be the worst idea in the world... more resources, more people, more space.... ? just thoughts mostly

5/22/2007 2:18:58 PM

Quote :

"'Bush' gets the brunt of all the hate, but these aren't decisions that he makes alone. I always got the impression that Bush was just a front man for whomever behind the scenes really runs the show. Is it Karl Rove that is the main perpetrator for all this douchebaggery? Is it a collection of folks? Or do each of them (Bush + Rove + anyone else in that tight circle) really just sit around and come up with the most bass akwards way to go about whatever they set out to do? "

I'm not really sure how anyone can consider this liberal circle jerking. At least, anyone that tries to debate topics here rather than just offer troll bait to the community.

5/22/2007 3:02:01 PM

Bush is a pretty clever guy, and he's doign a damn good job at what he was put in power to do: make his rich buddies richer. this war has been a fucking boon. pure fucking genius. where are we at now? $500 billion? ive lost count. and fuck a few thousand soldiers. as for the the Iraqis? hell, we told their own "government" to dont even count the deaths.

5/23/2007 1:52:33 AM

I think it's funny how mad Republicans are about this.

I read a post over at Red State and they were throwing around the "I-word." All of the the constitutionally questionable (to put it mildly) things that have gone on in this administration and this is when they want to talk about impeachment?

Good Lord.

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 2:17 AM. Reason : add]

5/23/2007 2:16:53 AM

just as long as the spics stay home, and faggots dont get married ... everything else is cool.

5/23/2007 2:46:20 AM

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"House Minority Leader John Boehner, speaking to a private gathering of Republican activists last night, called the Senate's immigration compromise bill a "piece of shit" but said that he had promised President Bush earlier in the day that he would let his teeth be a barrier to such thoughts in public. Boehner spoke last night at a small reception for the Republican Rapid Responders on Capitol Hill. "I promised the President today that I wouldn't say anything bad about ... this piece of shit bill," he said, according to two attendees. Earlier in the day, Boehner released a statement saying that "The Senate agreement appears to recognize that additional border security measures and more effective immigration law enforcement must come before any other issues are addressed, but I have significant concerns about parts of the Senate proposal -- particularly provisions that would reward illegal immigrants who have consistently broken our laws." A senior Republican official said yesterday that while the chances of the bill, which opens pathways to citizenship for most of the U.S.'s 12 million illegal immigrants, are "50/50" in the House and that the White House would spend its time lobbying Democrats, rather than Republicans, to achieve a majority. Yesterday, the Senate beat back an amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan (Dem.-N.D.) that would have scrapped the bill's new guest worker program. The defeat of that effort was interpreted as a sign that a solid majority of Senators are prepared to support the bill's main tenets, for now. What happens when they hear from constituents over Memorial Day is unknown and unknowable. A Boehner spokesman was not able to comment. Boehner's tendency towards candor occasionally irks his staff, a fact that Boehner brought up with last night's audience. In 2006, Boehner called an idea put forth by then. Sen. Maj. Leader Bill Frist to provide Americans with a $100 rebate on gasoline "stupid." [MARC AMBINDER] "

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

5/23/2007 2:11:27 PM

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"Republican Rabid Responders"

5/23/2007 4:03:35 PM

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"point being, thats the two knocks on bush he's either an idiot, because he stumbles on his words sometimes or gets photographed with a puzzled face"

You're right. We're knocking Bush around too much for silly claims about him bring an idiot and the like. We should focus on more substantial issues that have had national and international ramifications. You know, like...

Intelligence failures on 9/11 and in attacking Iraq
Can't find Osama
Warrantless wire-tapping
Guantanamo torture incidents
Abu Graib prison scandals
Scooter Libby/Valarie Plame scandal
Alberto Gonzalez
Katrina
Harriet Miers nomination
Lack of political solutions in Iraq
Tax breaks for the rich (poor are getting poorer, rich are getting richer)
Increase in government bureaucracy
Poor fiscal conservatism
No Child Left Behind - unfunded and inneffective


And so on...

5/26/2007 6:24:29 PM

^agreed

5/26/2007 6:44:11 PM

America may not like Bush...but they also don't like the democrat congress....

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"Congress Approval Down to 29%; Bush Approval Steady at 33% GALLUP NEWS SERVICE 5-15-2007 A new Gallup Poll finds continued low levels of public support for both Congress and President George W. Bush. Twenty-nine percent of Americans approve of Congress, down slightly from last month's reading (33%) and this year's high point of 37%, while Bush's approval rating is holding steady at 33%. Both the ratings of Congress and the president are slightly lower than their respective 2007 averages."

5/26/2007 10:27:26 PM

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"Both the ratings of Congress and the president are slightly lower than their respective 2007 averages.""

Hmm, so they didn't like politicians last year. They elected some new ones to stop the war. And Bush isn't letting that happen, and you're surprised they have a low approval rating?

Btw, did you mean little d or big D for democrat?

5/26/2007 11:43:05 PM

The only problems I have with this whole immigration thing are:

1. Amnesty is wrong. I got friends who have done community service for smoking pot, but these fuckers get off scott free for their crimes? Fuck that shit.
2. These fuckers artificially lower wages. People say, "Oh, they're willing do jobs Americans won't do." Trust me...if those jobs paid well enough, Americans would be all on that shit. They fuck with the market, the capitalism that we're all supposed to buy into. And maybe they should be punished for it.

[Edited on May 27, 2007 at 1:39 AM. Reason : None of this applies to the thread, I bet...I just wanted to share....]

5/27/2007 1:39:20 AM

mexicans are pretty much the slaves of the 21st century in america

and honestly i think congress has a low approval rating cause bush sucks THAT bad

5/27/2007 5:27:21 AM

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"2. These fuckers artificially lower wages. People say, "Oh, they're willing do jobs Americans won't do." Trust me...if those jobs paid well enough, Americans would be all on that shit. They fuck with the market, the capitalism that we're all supposed to buy into. And maybe they should be punished for it."

They're not fucking with the market, they're filling the holes left behind because of minimum wage. They are the perfect example of capitalism, selling their good (labor) at the lowest price. They are the market response to the government fucking with the market. They aren't artificially lowering wages, they're bringing the market closer to equilibrium.

5/27/2007 11:32:31 AM

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"mexicans are pretty much the slaves of the 21st century in america"

lol. No

5/27/2007 1:20:16 PM

Quote :

"They're not fucking with the market, they're filling the holes left behind because of minimum wage. They are the perfect example of capitalism, selling their good (labor) at the lowest price. They are the market response to the government fucking with the market. They aren't artificially lowering wages, they're bringing the market closer to equilibrium."

yes, completely working for cheap, thus driving an individual who has to support a family etc. out of work. god bless those illegal immigrants.

5/27/2007 2:37:37 PM

If an illegal worker drives a legal worker out of work, it's only because US law prevents the legal worker from competing with the illegal worker on wages. Also possibly because the legal worker has far to large of a sense of importance (a bagger at a grocery store is not really worth $10 an hour).

5/27/2007 3:07:42 PM

Or, employers can pay illegals under the table. So yea US laws are competing the legal worker out.. because you know, they would have to pay taxes and such like everyone else.

5/27/2007 3:42:53 PM