today, it was brought home yet again that mexicans are everywhere in our country, using our resources, our social services, our school, with absolutely no regard for our laws. the accident on I-40 this morning was caused by a hispanic male (name still unknown because he had several IDs on him) drunk driving without a license. he KILLED one driver in a head-on collision, and seriously injured two others, causing I40 west to be completely closed down for ~ 4 hours. This is just a taste of what mexicans have brought to our country.

nationwide, since 2006:
robberies are up 6%, crime overall is up 1.6%

amnesty bill proposes:
- Illegal aliens not required to pay back taxes
- Path to citizenship for up to 20 million illegal aliens
- College tuition subsidy for illegal aliens

Bank of America has launched a program to offer credit cards to illegal aliens. Offers service to send money to Mexico quickly and easily.

Everywhere i go, i see mexicans. the grocery store, the bank, the mall, the gas station - we are being over-run with illegals who have no respect for our country - they are simply here to earn money, and do whatever they hell they want. they have no desire to partake in "the american dream". true, 1st generation illegals are hardworkers, but 2nd generation illegals are draining our resources, and not giving back. they're gang banging, crowding our schools, flooding our hospitals, and stealing our tax dollars!

write your senator and fight this invasion! illegals should not be granted amnesty - they can apply for a visa and wait. there is no reason why we can't enforce the laws we already have in place to rectify this situation.

6/4/2007 6:38:00 PM

so you're saying 2nd generation are the problem? am i missing some part of our law, or aren't they citizens if they're born here?

6/4/2007 6:40:25 PM

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"they are simply here to earn money, and do whatever they hell they want. they have no desire to partake in "the american dream"."

DOES NOT COMPUTE.

6/4/2007 6:42:59 PM

ALL BROWN PEOPLE SPEAKING SPANISH ARE MEXICAN.

6/4/2007 6:49:17 PM

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"today, it was brought home yet again that black people are everywhere in our country, using our resources, our social services, our school, with absolutely no regard for our laws. Some random black guy murdered someone the other day in Detroit. This is just a taste of what black people have brought to our country. nationwide, since 2006: robberies are up 6%, crime overall is up 1.6% Bank of America has launched a program to offer credit cards to poor people with bad credit. What are they thinking? Everywhere i go, i see black people. the grocery store, the bank, the mall, the gas station - we are being over-run with people who have no respect for our country - they are simply here to earn money, and do whatever they hell they want. they have no desire to partake in "the american dream". true, some are hardworkers, but plenty of black kids are draining our resources, and not giving back. they're gang banging, crowding our schools, flooding our hospitals, and stealing our tax dollars! write your senator and fight this invasion! illegals should not be granted amnesty - they can apply for a visa and wait. there is no reason why we can't enforce the laws we already have in place to rectify this situation."

gasp

[Edited on June 4, 2007 at 6:56 PM. Reason : want me to do one about poor white people too?]

6/4/2007 6:56:07 PM

Not that I particularly care for the current imigration situation but what part of driving drunk, driving without a valid license a killing other people in care accidents is unique to being a mexican or an illegal imigrant. If I recall correctly, a few years ago, a drunk state student killed 7 people in a driving accident.

6/4/2007 6:58:11 PM

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"Everywhere i go, i see mexicans."

And there's your problem. Good lord. We've moved on from thinly disguised racism as immigration rhetoric to open bigotry.

6/4/2007 7:00:23 PM

but, but....CRIME IS UP!!! DEM MEXICANS.

6/4/2007 7:05:43 PM

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"Not that I particularly care for the current imigration situation but what part of driving drunk, driving without a valid license a killing other people in care accidents is unique to being a mexican or an illegal imigrant. If I recall correctly, a few years ago, a drunk state student killed 7 people in a driving accident."

you're all missing the point.... those of us who deserve to be here are paying taxes, our parents are paying taxes, and we're not causing an undue burden on our fellow countrymen. there is a mutual underlying respect among (most) americans. we come from a strong, proud heritage, and are proud to be in a free country, pursuing our happinesses.

there is A WAY for immigrants to come to america, and that path is being intentionally avoided, and if this immigration bill passes, illegal immigrants will be rewarded/pardoned for breaking our laws. this is not right. america is rolling over on its back saying ... "well, there's just too many of them. there's nothing we can do."

6/4/2007 7:06:13 PM

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""they are simply here to earn money, and do whatever they hell they want. they have no desire to partake in "the american dream".""

:scratches head:

6/4/2007 7:13:42 PM

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"but 2nd generation illegals are draining our resources, and not giving back. they're gang banging, crowding our schools, flooding our hospitals, and stealing our tax dollars!"

What the fuck is a 2nd generation illegal?

6/4/2007 7:21:12 PM

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"We're a country of immigrants, & we're also a country of laws."

[Edited on June 4, 2007 at 7:22 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2007 7:21:54 PM

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"and if this immigration bill passes, illegal immigrants will be rewarded/pardoned for breaking our laws."

I wish.

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"we're also a country of laws"

Mainly stupid laws.

6/4/2007 7:31:01 PM

it annoys me when people think illegals don't pay taxes...if they know some secret that gets them around paying sales and income tax, i need to find out from them.


ohh, your major is landscape architecture. you're just scared that they're going to take yer jerrb soon. instead of complaining about other people, maybe you should live the american dream and live your own life.

6/4/2007 7:49:04 PM

we are being over-run with illegals who have no respect for our country - they Americans are simply here to earn money and do whatever the hell they want.

6/4/2007 7:49:57 PM

ha, they really are taking her job

6/4/2007 7:53:39 PM

again

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"he KILLED one driver in a head-on collision, and seriously injured two others, causing I40 west to be completely closed down for ~ 4 hours."

what the fuck does this have to do with being an illegal immigrant?

6/4/2007 8:06:27 PM

nothing really because all types of people make the mistake of driving drunk and killing people

however that doesnt change the fact that the illegals (not all mexicans) are...ILLEGALLY here

and please spare me the native american history lesson

6/4/2007 8:08:19 PM

Mexicans in America drink and drive at a much higher rate than the rest of the population. Cultural factors are definitely at play in that regard.

[Edited on June 4, 2007 at 8:11 PM. Reason : 2]

6/4/2007 8:11:29 PM

^seems to me if its a cultural thing then illegal or not they still drink and drive more than any other race. So that fact is not at all related to their immigration status. Its more related to the hardships of poverty and the fact that they are so far away from home. Maybe if we didn't live inside a giant fort knox and the rest of their families were able to immigrate here, we wouldn't have such problems.

and in that case, we'd only be arguing about dumb college age students and rednecks.

[Edited on June 4, 2007 at 8:17 PM. Reason : fda]

6/4/2007 8:16:35 PM

^^ Stereotypes are fun aren't they

gee I wonder who robbed the KFC

6/4/2007 8:18:29 PM

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"Its more related to the hardships of poverty and the fact that they are so far away from home. Maybe if we didn't live inside a giant fort knox and the rest of their families were able to immigrate here, we wouldn't have such problems."

even if it is, who forced them to experience poverty so far away from home? was mexico or whatever country of origin overcrowded? or better yet, does everyone who is homesick and/or poor get drunk and drive around?

6/4/2007 8:21:28 PM

^no...my point is mexican or not, if they are so far from home...poor...going through hard times....they're in the same boat as any other race or culture. "far from home" could be bronx vs LA....doesn't just mean another country. Being mexican has nothing to do with drinking and driving. I'm sure Emily's friend can attest to that.

6/4/2007 8:27:25 PM

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"you're all missing the point.... those of us who deserve to be here are paying taxes, our parents are paying taxes, and we're not causing an undue burden on our fellow countrymen. there is a mutual underlying respect among (most) americans. we come from a strong, proud heritage, and are proud to be in a free country, pursuing our happinesses."

so legal residents deserve to be able to drink and drive? is that part of our respect for each other?

do mexicans hate freedom? are they not proud?

6/4/2007 9:03:51 PM

NO IRISH ALLOWED

um...


i mean mexicans

6/4/2007 9:06:11 PM

oh, they hate freedom alright. boy do they ever hate freedom.

guys like this give people with reasonable objections to pardoning illegals a bad rap

6/4/2007 9:08:29 PM

So you're mad that they don't pay taxes and drain our resources, but you're against a bill that would make them pay taxes.

You're mad that they aren't going through legal channels, yet you're against a big that would make it easier for them to follow the law (while making it more difficult to break the law).


I'm starting to question your motives, here.

6/4/2007 9:35:26 PM

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"those of us who deserve to be here are paying taxes"

Why do you deserve to be here more than anybody else?

6/4/2007 9:37:14 PM

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"Prawn Star: Mexicans in America drink and drive at a much higher rate than the rest of the population. Cultural factors are definitely at play in that regard."

Yes, but I should also mention that 21-year-old college students drink and drive at a much higher rate than the rest of the population. It is also part of their culture.



The only problem I have with amnesty and whatnot is that it's simply not fair. Everybody else in this country has to pay if they get convicted of a crime. Why not these people? Most folks think smoking weed isn't "bad," but people who get caught doing that often have to do community service. Community service for those here illegally sounds perfect. Say, 200 hours each.

6/4/2007 9:47:36 PM

how is picking tomatoes for slave wages not community service

6/4/2007 10:03:26 PM

poor poor america


[Edited on June 4, 2007 at 11:21 PM. Reason : k]

6/4/2007 11:18:56 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=469908

Seems like just this April we were discussing another drunk driving criminal immigrant.

6/4/2007 11:36:08 PM

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"The only problem I have with amnesty and whatnot is that it's simply not fair. Everybody else in this country has to pay if they get convicted of a crime. Why not these people? Most folks think smoking weed isn't "bad," but people who get caught doing that often have to do community service. Community service for those here illegally sounds perfect. Say, 200 hours each."

omg...not fair! black people have it the worst in this country!

6/5/2007 12:18:25 AM

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"^^ Stereotypes are fun aren't they"

Stating a fact is not the same as stereotyping.

6/5/2007 1:10:54 AM

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"Major : Landscape Architecture"

LOL

i get this thread

[Edited on June 5, 2007 at 1:43 AM. Reason : /]

6/5/2007 1:43:23 AM

^^^^just like we were talking about that underaged white girl criminal that killed Dutchess in May....what the hell is the difference? For every illegal that drives drunk I am pretty sure there is a legal american out there doing the same thing.

and Chaoticbliss, unless you are Native American, your family came here in search of a better life at some point...why is that perfectly OK?

[Edited on June 5, 2007 at 3:58 AM. Reason : ...]

6/5/2007 3:57:55 AM

i know for a fact the majority of my relatives came here illegally.

and im white through and through.

6/5/2007 8:24:29 AM

I honestly don't understand the argument of "hey we were all illegal immigrants at one point in time" If you compare the United States during the big immigration booms and now, its a very different scenario. We have problems with overcrowding in areas, providing a proper education to kids, to high of a labor pool in certain areas, we have systems set up that illegal immigrants can abuse, etc. We're not trying to project our manifest destiny any more, we're not trying to expand, we're trying to make sure our citizens get the best lives that they can, and unfortunately, illegal immigrants can hamper that.

If someone is being religiously persecuted, escaping war, then sure send them over and let them follow the proper procedures. I have no problem with immigration as long as its legal.

6/5/2007 8:36:33 AM

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"You're mad that they aren't going through legal channels, yet you're against a big that would make it easier for them to follow the law "

lets legalize heroin so it will be easier for heroin addicts to follow the law

6/5/2007 9:17:40 AM

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"it annoys me when people think illegals don't pay taxes...if they know some secret that gets them around paying sales and income tax, i need to find out from them. "

that was a joke, right?

6/5/2007 9:28:00 AM

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"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door"

Maybe this should be updated to...

Quote :

"Go away! There's less stuff for me now!"

6/5/2007 9:29:12 AM

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"lets legalize heroin so it will be easier for heroin addicts to follow the law"

Maybe that analogy would work if heroin was legal to use but just difficult to get a permit to do so and the law being put forth was an attempt to make getting a permit easier.

6/5/2007 9:31:20 AM

by the way, alcohol related traffic stops make up 7.5% of all stops involving latinos, more than twice the average for black and white motorists.

6/5/2007 9:35:16 AM

^^ok lets lower the legal drinking age to 13 to have less underaged drinking tickets

the crime stats dont lie!

6/5/2007 9:37:05 AM

that's a liberals answer to all social problems: legalize it.

6/5/2007 9:39:38 AM

As opposed to the conservative answer of getting to the prize first and locking the door behind you so no one else can enjoy it

6/5/2007 9:41:42 AM

^^ until it offends someone.

then ban it.

6/5/2007 9:48:38 AM

its not like we don't have a system to immigrate legally into this country. Hell, if you take the "give me your tired" thing literally its an open invite for criminals from other countries to come on in

6/5/2007 9:51:41 AM

^^^ Yeah, using THIS country of all countries as an example of a people "getting the prize first then locking the door" is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

Sorry, that doesn't work. The conservative's answer is to monitor who is here and who isn't. If we had done that, then someone wouldn't have died yesterday.

[Edited on June 5, 2007 at 9:52 AM. Reason : .]

6/5/2007 9:52:13 AM

^ meh.. maybe. not the conservatives of the bush administration, though.

^^yeah... you'll find that the people most fired up about illegal immigration are legal immigrants who went through enormous cost and, in a lot of cases, years of waiting to emigrate to the U.S.

6/5/2007 9:53:10 AM