giving a notice longer than two weeks?

Here is my situation:
I moved to Raleigh to take a job, after my boss and I agreed on a salary. After making the move and receiving my first pay check I did not receive anywhere near what we agreed. (Professional career mistake number 1: get everything in writing). I made the best of the situation and gave the job a fair shot. Since I was hired, there have been numorous things my boss has agreed to and did not hold up his end of the bargain. For example, he was providing health insurance, as of January 1st he stopped, and made me responsible for it. Needless to say, after 7 months of this I started looking for other jobs. I finally found another job and was perfect for the position. The week the new company was calling my previous employers I was called into the boss's office and he sent me home at 1:00 in the afternoon, for no reason (yes I asked why, that was the response). A few days later I found out I did not get the new job. (I have no proof those two events are related but I would place one hell of a bet on it). *note: I am a very good employee, never late, hardworking, never call in sick and I run this ENTIRE office*

Here are my questions:
Should I tell my boss now I am quitting (2months ahead of time), so he has the opportunity to replace me?

Should I just wait up until the last two weeks? I am 98% positive he has already given me a bad recommendation to be spiteful, and I am worried if I do a 2 week notice that will make him even more resentful.

If I do a notice 2 months ahead of time, can he fire me?



[Edited on June 5, 2007 at 7:59 PM. Reason : .]

6/5/2007 7:59:11 PM

if you're in at-will employment, im relatively sure he could.

6/5/2007 8:02:00 PM

If hes already giving you bad recommendations, then fuck him. Walk out when you want, and don't worry about it. I'd probably be a prick and give no notice (assuming you have no written agreement), since it sounds like he's been a real prick to you.

Granted, thats all based on some relative certainty that he is already giving you bad recommendations.

6/5/2007 8:08:02 PM

yes. although i wouldn't really call it firing.

otherwise, i'd give like 20 years notice... if they tried to fire me i could say "you're only firing me because i'm quitting!"

6/5/2007 8:11:16 PM

if he's already fucking you over (and he has) then there's no need to be nice and give him any notice.. doesn't sound like he's giving you any good recommendations anyways so f him

6/5/2007 8:17:57 PM

i dont get the two months thing

you said you didnt get the job

6/5/2007 8:25:37 PM

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"If hes already giving you bad recommendations, then fuck him. Walk out when you want,"

6/5/2007 8:40:51 PM

1) NC is a "right to work" state. He can fire you without reason—it's typically only when the employer provides an unacceptable reason that they get in trouble.

2) Employer references aren't supposed to give good or bad recommendations. They are merely supposed to confirm the dates of your employment.

6/5/2007 8:40:58 PM

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"if he's already fucking you over (and he has) then there's no need to be nice and give him any notice.. doesn't sound like he's giving you any good recommendations anyways so f him "

6/5/2007 8:54:50 PM

sounds like this guy has very bad business ethics. In the professional world people get new jobs all the time and i highly doubt there employer fires them just b.c they got a new job. fuck your boss though i would just walk out on that dick, what do you do by the way??

I have a friend who had a job but after a year started looking for a new job b.c the commute was almost an hour and he didn't want to move to Sanford. His boss found his resume online at monster.com and fired him the next day. Worst thing was that he NEVER used company resources or time to do his job seeking. Unless you have in your contract that you are not allowed to look for another job I do not think employers should just up and fire you like that. For all your boss knows you are getting married in 4 months and will have to relocate b.c your husband has a better job elsewhere.

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6/5/2007 8:57:31 PM

DO NOT QUIT

Hope he fires you. If he sends you home for more than 1 week you can consider that termination and go collect unemployment. Do not break any rules or guidelines (that you signed) or are common sense. Then just leave.

You are not required to give him notice at all. When you get the new job simply call and say "I no longer feel safe in this position nor did you comply with what we agreed to verbally. Therefore I am resigning as of this moment".

That is of course unless he fires you then you can collect employment. Here's the deal. If they fire you... the burden of proven that you were fired for "real" reasons is on them. If you QUIT the burden of proof is on you.

6/5/2007 9:04:16 PM

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"then you can collect employment. "

dude, you can collect employment??

where do i sign up!?

6/5/2007 9:07:14 PM

Yea, Unemployment rocks. collect it as long as you can and give the day it runs out as the day you are willing to start your new job.

Not sure if that is legal, but you are technically still unemployed before you start your new job, right?

6/5/2007 9:29:40 PM

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" you said you didnt get the job"

Luckily, I am financially stable enough to where in August I can safely take a few months off to find a better job, because I am honestly fed up with my current employer.

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"what do you do by the way??"

I work in a Financial Planning Firm (small, individually owned)

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" His boss found his resume online at monster.com and fired him the next day. Worst thing was that he NEVER used company resources or time to do his job seeking."

Yeah after I was hired, my boss pulled my online resume offline (from where I had it posted looking for jobs before he hired me). And he threw a complete fit and ignored me for a couple of days. I spent some time explaining it was posted prior to being hired.

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"1) NC is a "right to work" state. He can fire you without reason—it's typically only when the employer provides an unacceptable reason that they get in trouble. "

That's what I needed to know. And the job I applied for is with the government so it requires extensive work history. Basically, I cant afford a bad recommendation. I am pretty much damned if I do, damned if I dont.

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6/5/2007 9:39:50 PM

Let me be more specific...

If you collect UNemployment... HE has to pay it unless he can PROVE that you were fired for legitimate reasons. He can fire you for any reason he wants. But he has to pay for any reason deemed not your fault.

6/5/2007 10:42:08 PM

GoodLuck!!


i hope this isnt a sexist thing by your boss

6/5/2007 10:47:31 PM

I really wouldn't suggest quitting before you find another job.

And I know you're financially stable, but I have heard that from friends before, then they quit and just wanted a job sooner than they expected, and wished they had just stuck it out.

Also, I know alot of companies that won't necessarily fire you, but they will basically just say you can leave now, don't stay the two weeks/months. I've heard it's happened at my company and at many others.

6/5/2007 10:52:39 PM

why didn't you tell the interviewer not to contact your current employer?

6/5/2007 11:01:19 PM

You're not legally required to give notice. (You may be contractually bound to give notice, but that's another story...)

In most cases, I would suggest giving notice because it's the decent thing to do. However, if your boss is an asshat and you're certain he's already giving you poor references, then he already burned those bridges. If it's really as bad as it sounds, I would do one of two things in your situation.

1. I have a new job lined up. I have the new job offer in writing.
I would resign the last day I wanted to work. For example, if the new job starts 7/2, I would resign 6/29. I would mail a (POLITE!) letter of resignation to HR that morning using certified mail, and I would hand a copy to my boss that afternoon when I say goodbye.

2. I don't have a new job lined up. I'm willing to take some time off.
I would give them tons of notice. I would mail a polite, professional letter of resignation to HR late on a Friday afternoon using certified mail. I would talk to my boss FIRST THING Monday morning (before the letter arrives) and say I plan to move on in X months. If he tells me to leave, I'll start the paperwork for unemployment that same day.

6/6/2007 12:20:32 AM

Since you work for a small, independently owned firm, I suspect you don't have an HR department per se, so make sure to give the person to whom you resign a written letter of notice (keeping a copy for yourself, of course). When you should give notice is a tough question. In my own experience, companies that deal with money/finances, will often pay out your two weeks notice without having you in the work place. Depending on the size/professionalism of your company this may or may not be the case. If you give this person 2 months notice, I suspect he might make your life a living hell. Although North Carolina is a right to work state (which means an employer doesn't have to give reason for dismissal), it may still be illegal for him to fire you in retaliation (you should consult an actual legal expert here).

Personally, given your descriptions of being mislead/mistreated, I'd only give 2 weeks.

6/6/2007 6:52:51 AM

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"If I do a notice 2 months ahead of time, can he fire me?"

I don't know if he can fire you or not but he sure as hell can make those last two months a living hell...

AND most previous employeers are not allowed to recommend someone for a job....it is my understanding that references from old jobs can only be asked if you indeed worked there and if you quit or were fired.

Two weeks is plenty notice.

Anyone else find it ironic this wolfwebber's name is "GoodLuck"?
heh

6/6/2007 8:36:09 AM

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"After making the move and receiving my first pay check I did not receive anywhere near what we agreed. "

you should have left when this happened. why put faith in someone who fucks you over from day one?

6/6/2007 8:42:54 AM

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"Employer references aren't supposed to give good or bad recommendations. They are merely supposed to confirm the dates of your employment. "

is correct if it's not in writing.

if all of your story is completely true you might want to look into a labor lawyer......if he talked down about you over the phone you may have a slander case, not to mention the possible labor violations. look into that, and don't quit until you know what course of action you have.

6/6/2007 9:12:42 AM

Sounds like your boss is a real major league asshole.

6/6/2007 9:16:07 AM

I would just get out the situation. Two weeks notice is just the "polite" thing to do.

6/6/2007 9:51:40 AM

Have you asked him why you didn't get the salary you originally agreed upon or why you are now stuck with healthcare?

He does just seem like a straight up dick to work for.

6/6/2007 11:07:15 AM

If your boss doesn't treat you ethically, then there is no reason to give him any notice whatsoever. Sign up for vacation & then start your new job. When the vacation ends, say you're not coming back.

Conversely, you could go above your boss, if possible, & get your boss' job.

6/6/2007 11:21:28 AM

[Edited on June 6, 2007 at 12:01 PM. Reason : forget it]

6/6/2007 12:00:21 PM

GoodLuck

6/6/2007 12:17:37 PM

he doesn't need a reason to fire you, and you aren't required to give a notice.

6/6/2007 6:35:08 PM

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"Have you asked him why you didn't get the salary you originally agreed upon or why you are now stuck with healthcare? "

Yeah, we we discussed salary his exact words were "I will be willing to pay $......." I said "Okay" Notice, it does not say I am agreeing to pay.

Healthcare .... not really sure what the reason was.

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"why didn't you tell the interviewer not to contact your current employer?"

When it comes to jobs that require a background check for security purposes. It is my understanding if you say not to contact them then that is just as bad as a bad recommendation, it obviously is a red flag.

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"Anyone else find it ironic this wolfwebber's name is "GoodLuck"?"

Sad, isn't it



Thanks TWW for all the advice

6/6/2007 8:58:14 PM

Time to start acting like Wally.

6/6/2007 9:50:38 PM