Walnut Dominion Creek Rapist/Murderer will die for his actions

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"Death Sentence Handed Down in Stabbing Death Byron Waring in court Posted: Today at 10:56 a.m. Updated: 37 minutes ago Raleigh — Jurors on Monday sentenced a Raleigh man to die for a 2005 stabbing death. Byron Waring was convicted of first-degree murder on June 28 for fatally stabbing Lauren Redman on Nov. 8, 2005. Jurors deliberated less than three hours before agreeing on the death sentence, and Superior Court Judge Paul Gessner choked up as he handed down the sentence. Waring's relatives broke down in the courtroom, and Waring, who has shown little emotion during the two-week trial, also appeared shaken as he was led out. Investigators said Redman was stabbed more than 20 times inside her Raleigh apartment as she begged for her life. But she managing to crawl outside and ask for help before she died. In a taped confession, Waring said he and another man, Joseph Sanderlin, went to Redman's apartment to collect on a debt owned to her former roommate, George Sasser. He told investigators that Sanderlin raped Redman and that they both stabbed her. Sanderlin is charged with murder in the case, while Sasser is charged as an accessory after the fact. Both men will be tried later. Prosecutors said the case warranted the death penalty because of the brutality of the slaying. But defense attorneys argued Waring's life should be spared, blaming his troubled childhood and the influence of those around him for the bad choices he made. "The evidence was overwhelming. The facts were terrible. The evidence was laid out very clearly for them," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said. The sentence marks the first time in six years that a Wake County jury has sentenced a defendant to death. In 2001, Fernando Garcia received a death sentence for the beating death of Juliann Bolt in the clubhouse of the Cameron Lake Apartments in 2000. "(A death-penalty trial is) a very difficult thing for everybody. It's an emotional ordeal to prosecute them or to defend them. It's emotionally grueling and draining for the family of the victims, the family of the defendants," said Raleigh defense attorney Karl Knudsen, who wasn't involved in the Waring case. The sentence also comes as questions about North Carolina's death penalty are tied up in the legal system. Court battles over a doctor's role in the lethal injection process have stopped executions since January. "I think the law the case was tried under is clear. I think the sentence to death was clear. How the law is carried out is up to the appellate courts," Willoughby said. * Reporter: Beau Minnick * Photographer: Chad Flowers * Web Editor: Matthew Burns "

JUSTICE IS SERVED

7/9/2007 5:12:14 PM

Not really - he'll live 20 years in jail on our tax dollars before they ever get around to killing him.

Pretty unjust if you ask me.

7/9/2007 5:33:42 PM

Hopefully they fry the other 2 as well.

7/9/2007 5:51:10 PM

Dude, could you please post the source link. One of my ex co-worker's best friend lived in Brier Creek when this happened, so I want to send him a link to a "real" article rather than a TWW post.

7/9/2007 5:52:50 PM

Its the top story on WRAL.com

7/9/2007 6:00:47 PM

http://wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/1571158/

7/9/2007 6:12:07 PM

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"Not really - he'll live 20 years in jail on our tax dollars before they ever get around to killing him. Pretty unjust if you ask me."

beyond the tax dollar thing, i dont see the big deal with letting prisoners get sent to jail for 20 years first. jail isnt that fun, despite what you may have heard, and it helps prevent innocents from getting killed.

7/9/2007 6:27:54 PM

i asked this in the other thread but never went back to check. Was she the girl that worked at Jax/Sammy's for a good while?

7/9/2007 7:14:00 PM

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"But defense attorneys argued Waring's life should be spared, blaming his troubled childhood and the influence of those around him for the bad choices he made."

Are you fucking shitting me? How is that any excuse for killing someone? What the fuck is wrong with our society?

7/9/2007 7:41:07 PM

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"Are you fucking shitting me? How is that any excuse for killing someone? What the fuck is wrong with our society? "

Its not an excuse. Nobody is born a killer. They were trying to make the case that he could be rehabilitated.

7/9/2007 7:59:01 PM

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"Nobody is born a killer."

how in the fuck do you figure that? everyone is born a killer; society trains us not to kill.

7/9/2007 9:22:29 PM

i bet you beat off with your finger in your ass dont you? - jackass

7/9/2007 9:26:54 PM

maybe he'll get 20 years of PMITA and stabbed to death with some rusty shanks...

waiting for someone to try to say he shouldn't have to suffer what she did

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7/9/2007 10:12:36 PM

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"waiting for someone to try to say he shouldn't have to suffer what she did"

that's cause you're a dick

7/9/2007 10:18:38 PM

Free drinks at Sammys?

7/9/2007 11:11:35 PM

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"Its not an excuse. Nobody is born a killer. They were trying to make the case that he could be rehabilitated."

I still say its complete bullshit to say that he shouldn't die for what he did. I don't care what environment he grew up in, he raped and brutally stabbed a girl to death. It shouldn't take a genius to figure out that this is inexcusably wrong. If he didn't learn that in life, I have trouble believing he's going to because some correctional officer tells him so. Fry his ass.

7/9/2007 11:21:27 PM

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"how in the fuck do you figure that? everyone is born a killer; society trains us not to kill."

So its human nature to want to murder people and we have to be conditioned to keep from stabbing someone. Do I have your position right?

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"I still say its complete bullshit to say that he shouldn't die for what he did."

Alright, wipe the foam from your mouth. I was just trying to clarify the defense's position. Nobody has said anything about him not deserving to die.

7/9/2007 11:52:24 PM

fry his black ass

7/9/2007 11:58:03 PM

More like. . .

7/10/2007 12:04:43 AM

so is it painful or anything for the person dying or do they just basically go to sleep? cause it needs to be painful.

7/10/2007 12:51:02 AM

Well if the anaestetic doesn't work on you (some argue you can still feel pain) then you basically die from slow suffication and muscle spasms and can't scream.

7/10/2007 12:58:35 AM

^^ and ^ I can understand some people wanting killers to suffer--but dead is dead.

7/10/2007 2:10:01 AM

haven't read the story or anything, but i'm going to assume he's poor and most likely a minority.

7/10/2007 2:13:21 AM

i like when the doc says he may have felt pain after its over

since the victim felt it, why not them too?

7/10/2007 2:16:09 AM

^^ Yes--here's a link to a picture. Will your heart start bleeding for him now or later?

PS: Way to keep yourself informed. GG!

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5435088

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7/10/2007 2:21:11 AM

no. i don't believe in the death penalty period. but it just seems to be disproportionately doled out to poor and minorities because they can't afford better lawyers. and yes, he is indeed a poor minority.

but yeah, i don't believe in the death penalty because, well, call me crazy, but i don't like the idea of our government killing its own citizens (much less people killing each other in general).

7/10/2007 2:26:59 AM

^ Waring wasn't picked at random to be executed because he is a poor minority. He confessed to brutally raping, stabbing, and torturing this young woman:

7/10/2007 2:32:33 AM

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"an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"

7/10/2007 2:43:10 AM

^ You can take the passivist's approach. I'll take proportionality any day of the week.

7/10/2007 2:49:02 AM

^and? i think it's wrong to put him to death. OH MY GOD I THINK IT'S WRONG TO KILL PEOPLE AND IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING BUT FULFILL SOME LAME BLOODLUST OR REVENGE SOME PEOPLE FEEL WILL HELP RID US OF VIOLENCE.



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7/10/2007 2:49:13 AM

this kid failed at life and as a human being. commence termination. why should the innocent suffer by having human garbage running around?

AND your government kills people all the time...innocent people...just because they are citizens of another country doesn't mean they are less worthy.

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7/10/2007 2:51:02 AM

i agree (with the second part). but we can't lock up an entire country. we can lock up this guy.

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7/10/2007 2:52:36 AM

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"So its human nature to want to murder people and we have to be conditioned to keep from stabbing someone. Do I have your position right? "

there's a pretty substantial difference between what he's describing and what you're describing. you're basically describing a psychopath.

there's a big difference between a psychopath and someone who would kill a motherfucker who had it coming to him, were it not for social conditioning and penal action.

7/10/2007 2:56:13 AM

^^^^

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"Abolitionists claim that the death penalty is a means of revenge. It is not. One way for the victim's family to get revenge would be to go out and murder a member of the murderer's family in order to get him to experience the same type of suffering he put them through. If the purpose of the state in executing murderers was retribution or revenge, then criminals would be executed in the same way that they murdered their victims. But alas, the point of the death penalty is not to see how much pain can be unleashed on the murderer but to bring him to justice."

And you're only concerned about torture when we can blame America for it, am I right? Wait. . .you still found a way to blame America, didn't you? It's the American society's fault that this guy raped, stabbed, and killed this young woman, right?

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7/10/2007 2:57:08 AM

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"i agree (with the second part). but we can't lock up an entire country. we can lock up this guy."

point is...this guy is tormenting and killing innocent civilians in your back yard....so you are right, we can't lock up an entire country but we can certainly 'kill' this individual and others like him

7/10/2007 2:59:53 AM

^^and what does "bring him to justice" really mean?

to your addendum:
how am i "blaming america"? minorities and the poor are disproportionately put to death.

i believe the death penalty is wrong.

how are either of these things "blaming america"?

^ and what good will that do, beyond just continuing the spiral of violence in our society?

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7/10/2007 3:00:20 AM

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"this kid failed at life and as a human being. commence termination."

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""an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind""

True, but also:

"an eye for an eye makes the world go round"

7/10/2007 3:03:39 AM

^^ it means whatever you want it to mean. For those who want him to die it means that. For others it means lock him up and work towards a time when people dont kill people for no reason. Justice does not have a basic definition so it cant be used to rationalize execution

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7/10/2007 3:03:53 AM

and minorities and the poor are put to death more often than upper classes simply because crime rates are higher among these groups and the crimes are usually more brutal.

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"^ and what good will that do, beyond just continuing the spiral of violence in our society?"

how exactly does the death penalty encourage and continue violence?

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7/10/2007 3:04:55 AM

^^^^ Aren't entities of the American government putting these people to death? Doesn't society allow it? Demand it? I mean, executions are not happening in a vacuum, are they?

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7/10/2007 3:05:28 AM

no, even when controlled for those variables, the rich and white get off with lighter sentences.

^so criticizing anything that's happening in any state gov't is blaming america?

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" how exactly does the death penalty encourage and continue violence? "

by continuing the idea that killing people is the way to solve a problem

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7/10/2007 3:06:00 AM

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"how exactly does the death penalty encourage and continue violence?"

There is actually a noted brutilization effect after people are executed. look it up

7/10/2007 3:08:05 AM

^the rich and white don't get off easy...the super rich maybe but middle class white folk don't.

last time i checked OJ was black not white...he seemed to get off pretty easy

^no, its actually your society that causes such crimes...other countries don't have these problems nearly as much as the US because they have stronger family values...poor or rich.

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7/10/2007 3:08:06 AM

easier than poor minorities, maybe not easy

7/10/2007 3:09:01 AM

yeah, he did. anecdotal evidence isn't going to change my mind.

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7/10/2007 3:09:08 AM

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Justice Department report examining federal prosecutors' handling of death penalty cases has found no intentional racial or ethnic bias, CNN has learned.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/06/06/justice.death.garza/

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"In fact, more white people are executed in this country than black people [emphasis added]. And even if blacks are disproportionately represented on death row, proportionately blacks commit more murders than whites. Moreover, the Supreme Court has rejected the use of statistical studies which claim racial bias as the sole reason for overturning a death sentence."

http://deathpenaltyinfo.msu.edu/c/about/arguments/argument4b.htm

V No shit. I can read, dumbass.

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7/10/2007 3:09:09 AM

*note that's just federal cases.

7/10/2007 3:10:02 AM

hooksaw you are a dumbass, you realize that there is a whole other section that gives reasons why the death penalty isnt fair on the same link? Or you just didnt feel like sharing?

7/10/2007 3:15:17 AM

^ You're the fucking dumbass. I can click a mouse, too.

If you haven't noticed, I'm taking the pro-death penalty position. GG!

PS: I don't give a shit what you think.

7/10/2007 3:20:13 AM

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"by continuing the idea that killing people is the way to solve a problem"

sometimes it works pretty well. not the elegant solution, but hey...




i'm generally a lukewarm supporter of the death penalty, although i'd like to see some tweaks on how it's implemented. I have no problem with some of these fuckheads being put to death--my concerns are more centered around various imperfections in the system, and the futility of executing the rare handful who are actually rehabilitated.


one thing i actually seriously like to see is that if you serve on a jury and recommend the death penalty, your presence should be legally required--so long as you are still able bodied, etc--as a witness to the execution. Furthermore, one (or more) of the twelve of you should be randomly selected at the time of execution to be responsible for throwing the switch(es). Attach some more personal responsibility to the system...if you aren't serious enough about putting that asshole to death to be comfortable with doing it yourself, you'd better recommend life without parole. If you're REALLY for the death penalty, put your money where your mouth is.

7/10/2007 3:26:22 AM