I just recently started drinking soymilk because one of my professors who does research on breast cancer says it minimizes breast cancer... And I tried it once and I loved it... I drink like a gallon a day

Well I noticed that my boobs are bigger...

I did a little research and yes indeed the phyto estrogens mimics the body's natural estrogen and causes the boobs to get bigger but I dunno if the source of information is credible or not...

Does anyone know anything about this? I wanna know what you guys think

7/11/2007 10:20:08 PM

i <3 soy milk

that is something else i require

7/11/2007 10:26:38 PM

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"The soy supplement caused significant increases in plasma genistein and daidzein concentrations despite considerable interindividual variation (P<0.001). Supplementation with soy resulted in a decrease in oxidative damage to DNA bases detected using the comet assay compared with controls (P<0.05). However, there was no significant effect of the soy supplement on plasma cholesterol or triglyceride levels in comparison with control groups."

7/11/2007 10:27:11 PM

requisite 'need pics to give a second opinion'

7/11/2007 10:29:05 PM

http://biblioteca.sp.san.gva.es/biblioteca/publicaciones/MATERIAL/METABUSQUEDAS/MUJER/9661587.PDF


Ok it says that its normal for increase in boob size... Don't like it.. but there are a lot of benefits to drinking soy milk including maintaing bone density which is lost after women go through menopause...



[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 10:47 PM. Reason : sadf]

7/11/2007 10:46:20 PM

what about in men??? I'm gonna stay away from soymilk like the plague now

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 10:53 PM. Reason : btw this thread is worthless without pics...how much bigger, do you need to buy new bras now?]

7/11/2007 10:52:06 PM

I know there is (was? this may be obsolete info) some concern about the effects of soy formula on babies. The article I read claimed that soy formula in normal amounts provided amounts of estrogen equivalent to birth control pills. My M-I-L says soymilk helps with hot flashes; and I've noticed the boob effect as well. You may be onto the next dietary supplement craze.

7/11/2007 10:52:46 PM

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 11:16 PM. Reason : not chit chat]

7/11/2007 11:16:03 PM

I really really really like the taste of soy milk, but I stopped drinking it.

7/11/2007 11:41:21 PM

The Dark Side of Soy
By Mary Vance, Terrain. Posted July 9, 2007

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"After several years of consuming various forms of soy nearly every day, something wasn't right. I felt reasonably fit, but somewhere along the line I'd stopped menstruating. I couldn't figure out why my stomach became so upset after eating edamame or why I was often moody and bloated. It didn't occur to me at the time to blame soy, heart-protector and miracle food. When I began studying holistic health and nutrition, I kept running across risks associated with eating soy. Endocrine disruption? Check. Digestive problems? Check. I researched soy's deleterious effects on thyroid, fertility, hormones, sex drive, digestion, and even its potential to contribute to certain cancers. For every study that proved there was a connection between soy and reduced disease risk, others cropped up to challenge these claims. What was going on?"

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"Epidemiological studies have shown that Asians, particularly in Japan and China, have a much lower incidence of breast and prostate cancer than in the US, and many of these studies trace the results back to a traditional diet that includes soy. Daniel says a common misconception is that Asians are consuming more soy than they actually are; soy accounts for only about 15 percent of their total calories, or nine grams per day. Asian diets include small amounts of primarily fermented soy products, such as miso, natto, and tempeh, and some tofu. By contrast, in the US, processed soy food snacks or shakes can contain over 20 grams of soy protein in one serving."

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/56087/

Watch out with that shit, Squirt. And I quit drinking soy milk years ago after I heard about this:

Tofu Shrinks Brain!

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"In a major ongoing study involving 3,734 elderly Japanese-American men, those who ate the most tofu during midlife had up to 2.4 times the risk of later developing Alzheimer’s disease. As part of the three-decade long Honolulu-Asia Aging Study, 27 foods and drinks were correlated with participants’ health. Men who consumed tofu at least twice weekly had more cognitive impairment than those who rarely or never ate the soybean curd.1, 2 'The test results were about equivalent to what they would have been if they were five years older,' said lead researcher Dr. Lon R. White from the Hawaii Center for Health Research. For the guys who ate no tofu, however, they tested as though they were five years younger. What’s more, higher midlife tofu consumption was also associated with low brain weight. Brain atrophy was assessed in 574 men using MRI results and in 290 men using autopsy information. Shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but for the men who had consumed more tofu, White said 'their brains seemed to be showing an exaggeration of the usual patterns we see in aging.'"

http://www.thehealingjournal.com/prev_issues/octl_nov06_tofu.htm

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 11:51 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 11:47:02 PM

holla

7/11/2007 11:51:49 PM

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"i <3 soy milk that is something else i require"

7/11/2007 11:53:41 PM

phytoestrogens can do some bad things to the body, obviously by acting as elevated levels of estrogen. even birth control is now low-dose estrogen due to increased risks for cancer.

phytoestrogens are found in almost everything we use... even clear soft water bottles (like your coke or dasani bottle). drinking out of "damaged" (aka, the bottle has been creased or crushed and you're still using it) bottles can expose you to a level of phytoestrogens that are suggested to cause reproductive malformations in unborn children. they're doing a lot of studies in rats at the moment...

being in the reproduction field, i've been hearing that phytoestrogens are becoming a HUGE focus for health organizations. data suggests that there is a difference in the impact on fetuses between asian and american mothers, and it seems to have to do with how long the mother is exposed, and at what doses, and this somehow impacts the fetus differently. (this isn't a racial or ethnic influence... it's their diets.)

i'm not saying to stop drinking it all together. and god knows you'll be exposed 20 other ways every day to phytoestrogens. but, like anything else, it should probably be done in moderation.

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 12:18 AM. Reason : ]

7/12/2007 12:17:35 AM

oh shit das lounge

I <3 choc soymilk. In relation to that study on the Japanese-American elders in the U.S., obviously because of their traditions they're going to be more inclined than regular americans to eat tofu. To put that in respect to the larger scale, japan would be fuxored by now. I would hardly call them stupid these days. Wierd sex fetishes yes, more impaired from tofu no.

7/12/2007 3:20:10 AM

even though soy milk does contain relatively high levels (but much, much less than the actual soy beans), most people don't drink enough for there to be any real concern--then again most people don't drink a gallon per day

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 5:30 AM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 5:29:06 AM

For every study showing benefits of soy consumption, there is one showing harmful effects.

And so, experts are divided on this issue.

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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

Soy is making kids 'gay'

(take it with a grain of salt)

But yes, it IS known for having a feminizing effect.

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"soy accounts for only about 15 percent of their total calories, or nine grams per day."

Something is not right about that statement. Since they go on to mention amount of soy protein in soy snacks in the US in the next sentence, I think they meant to say this:

soy accounts for only about 15 percent of their total PROTEIN calories, or nine grams per day.

Because otherwise (15% of TOTAL calories), it is just ludicrous.

7/12/2007 6:04:44 AM

There was already a thread about this awhile back.

7/12/2007 6:07:21 AM

Damn...for a while there I was eating edamame three or four times a week and eating my Kashi cereal with soymilk.

No sign of breast enlargement. Whew.

7/12/2007 8:37:51 AM

haha yea,

i drink a glass of soy milk every day

i hope i dont grow titties... I mean, that would be nice, being able to play with titties and stuff, but id think it would be weird if they grew on me.

7/12/2007 8:41:32 AM

And here I thought legumes were actually very beneficial...but this past weekend Frac tells me that peanuts (because they aren't real nuts) aren't that hot for you. I've got to do more reading on this...George Washington Carver would have a fit.

7/12/2007 8:45:26 AM

I've been posting about the dangers of soy products for men around here for years. there is a ton of research on the subject.

7/12/2007 9:29:04 AM

thank goodness eleusis is looking out for us...

7/12/2007 9:31:57 AM

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"And here I thought legumes were actually very beneficial"

if you have digestive problems - then legumes can be VERY harmful. like cow milk and such, humans are not meant to eat this food that has been cropped and harvested. By "meant", i mean that our bodies have not adapted and do not convert the essential requirements out of this food

7/12/2007 10:57:23 AM

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"like cow milk and such, humans are not meant to eat this food that has been cropped and harvested"

except of course for all those people with the genetic mutation that allows them to metabolize lactose

7/12/2007 11:32:45 AM

^like scandinavians and western europeans. maybe by "humans" he meant "asians".

7/12/2007 11:40:58 AM

go on Pubmed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/) and look it up. Retha Newbold at NIEHS has been looking into this. They also suggest that you not drink soy milk during pregnancy because it might cause reproductive defects.

7/12/2007 11:44:10 AM

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"What’s more, higher midlife tofu consumption was also associated with low brain weight. Brain atrophy was assessed in 574 men using MRI results and in 290 men using autopsy information. Shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but for the men who had consumed more tofu, White said 'their brains seemed to be showing an exaggeration of the usual patterns we see in aging.'""

They only talk about men.

And I've heard feeding children, especially male children soy milk reduces their brain size...

7/12/2007 11:49:16 AM

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"what about in men???"

I believe that it reduces prostate cancer...
BUt I have heard both pros and cons of soy milk and like KittyB said, I think it has to be done in moderation....

Grrr I can easily go through a Pint in a day I <3 soymilk

7/12/2007 12:20:07 PM

I've never seen any studies indicating that it reduces prostate cancer - only studies indicating that countries that consume more soy products have lower risks of prostate cancer.

7/12/2007 12:41:45 PM

I don't drink soy milk for two reasons:
1. I'm not lactose intolerant.
2. Cow titty milk is cheaper.

I <3 cow titty milk.

7/12/2007 1:52:27 PM

you know it has pus in it, right?

7/12/2007 1:57:50 PM

extra antibiotics, yay!

7/12/2007 2:29:49 PM

soy milk tastes disgusting

and both soy milk and protein are bad if you're working out, from what i've read, due to the estrogen effects

7/12/2007 2:32:50 PM

wait, i might have read your lat post wrong, youre not saying protein is bad for you if you work out are you

7/12/2007 2:35:47 PM

he meant soy protein

7/12/2007 2:37:57 PM

oh ok, makes sense i dont even know much about soy stuff. i thought maybe thats what he was referring to but thats why i had to ask. thanks

7/12/2007 2:39:11 PM

I know without a link or something I lose credibility, but I saw recently where the phytoestrogens in a soy-rich diet in men damaged sperm production/other jewel related things....

7/12/2007 3:20:22 PM

i don't care if they damage my sperm...i just don't want them to damage my physique!

7/12/2007 3:22:07 PM

phytoestrogens lower testosterone levels and resultingly lower sperm count through their actions on the HPTA, but I've never heard of it damaging sperm.

7/12/2007 3:25:18 PM

I didn't say damages sperm.....let me rephrase, negativly impacts sperm production......but yes, because of

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"phytoestrogens lower testosterone levels and resultingly lower sperm count "

7/12/2007 3:58:05 PM

That's pretty sweet, though I don't really think my boobs need any growth. I eat a bowl of cereal at least once a day with soy milk.

7/12/2007 6:18:06 PM

This is the only milk I drink now--skim in a paper carton with no antibiotics, no added growth hormones, and no pesticides.



http://www.horizonorganic.com/

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 12:11 AM. Reason : .]

7/13/2007 12:09:18 AM

^
http://cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html

http://cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/FarmID_134.html

7/13/2007 8:11:42 AM

if you're going to go organic you need to do research, lots of companies meet just the minimum requirements to be "organic" and are not much better than traditional companies.

7/13/2007 9:11:26 AM

^^OH that's just funny!

What about increased breast size in men?

7/15/2007 12:07:40 AM

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"Soy is making kids 'gay'"

Good grief, Trap, WorldNetDaily? Come on!

I'm not saying more gay would be bad, but look at what credible sources think:

http://www.upenn.edu/researchatpenn/article.php?250&hlt

On the other hand, there is some support for you claims See here:

http://homohome.blogspot.com/2006/12/our-secret-is-out.html

7/15/2007 3:26:42 AM

oh god you didn't really just say "Here's what the CREDIBLE sources say" and then follow that with a link to a website with "homo-home" in the url
you didn't just do that did you

[Edited on July 15, 2007 at 9:07 AM. Reason : .]

7/15/2007 9:07:00 AM

I suggest actually clicking on the links. All will be made clear to you.

7/15/2007 10:20:06 AM

its a rickroll

7/15/2007 10:21:58 AM

I wouldn't say that. I hate rickrolling.

7/15/2007 10:32:19 AM