The Jewish media and establishment claims that 750,000+ Jews were murdered at the German WWII internment camp known as "Treblinka." Yet like most of the rest of the Hoaxacaust story, there is no evidence to support the claim and it turns out it is a complete lie. Australian scientists investigated Treblinka in 1999, and found absolutely no evidence of any such mass graves or massive levels of human remains.


Australian scientists find no evidence of "extermination" at Treblinka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCwpjsS-6H4


The "official" propaganda/lie...

Quote :

"Treblinka II was a German extermination camp in occupied Poland during World War II. Around 750,000 Jews and other victims of the Holocaust were murdered there, along with 2,000 Roma, between July 1942 and October 1943."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp

Quote :

"Australian scientists cast doubt on story of Treblinka By now readers are well aware that the museum at Aushwitz has reduced by three million the estimate of the number of people who died at Aushwitz from all causes, including the Typhus epidemics that raged across Germany at the end of the war. Readers are also aware that when Rudolph Hoess confessed (under coercion) to war crimes at Nuremberg, he not only supposedly wrote and signed the confession in English ( a language he did not speak) but claimed that Jews were murdered at Camp Wolzek, which never existed. Readers are aware that many claims made about the holocaust, such as the soap and lampshades stories, have been totally discredited and nobody takes them seriously any more. Readers are aware that so-called holocaust memoirs, such as "Fragments", have been exposed a hoaxes. Now attention has turned to Treblinka. And again serious doubts have surfaced.""

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/


So...even the Holohoax propagandists revised down the numbers dead at Auschwitz by a full 3 million. And now we see that almost 1 million other alleged "Jewish deaths" did not occur. And yet we are still spoon fed and incessantly propagandized with the "6 million" number?

7/27/2007 6:47:32 PM

oh noes, salisburyboy hacked guth's account.

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 6:49 PM. Reason : oh and IBTL.]

7/27/2007 6:49:17 PM

It's not just the numbers dead that are in question. It's the ENTIRE "official" story regarding the the WWII camps.

The reality is that there was no German plan to exterminate all the Jews. Yes, many Jews were detained in internment camps (as well as many NON-Jews), but they were slave labor and detention camps, not extermination camps (similar, by the way, to the camps in the U.S. during WWII used to intern Japanese-Americans and many German-Americans).

The people that died in the German camps (including many non-jews) died mainly due to disease (eg, typhus) and starvation due to the deteriorating conditions inside of Germany near the end of the war due to heavey Allied bombing of Germany. That's why there are pictures of many emaciated bodies. And the real evidence indicates that only a couple hundred thousand Jews died. Meanwhile, MILLIONS of Germans died from the Allied bombing of Germany.

The stories of making lamp shades & soap out of Jews are totally false. As are the stories of "gas chambers." The only gas chambers at the camps were insecticidal gas chambers used to disinfect the interns against typhus and other diseases. And the numbers of Jews claimed dead has been GREATLY exaggerated.

Hollywood and the Jewish-controlled media, via incessant propaganda, have brainwashed people into essentially believing that only Jews died at these camps, and would almost make us forget that around 50 million people died during WWII, the vast majority being non-Jewish. They would have us believe that it is the "greatest crime in history" and perhaps the only genocide in history (what about the 20+ million killed in Russia by the communists, for example?). The focus on this single "event" reeks of propaganda.

7/27/2007 8:01:42 PM

I'm confused.

7/27/2007 8:22:15 PM

guth appears to have decided that the only way to effectively mock salisburyboy is to post exactly the same things he does, only as a person who does not already have a reputation for insanity. My guess is that he expects us to be more appropriately shocked by him saying it than we would be by salisburyboy.

Also, this is a way for him to parody salisburyboy -- albeit without the humor -- without risking suspension.

7/27/2007 8:44:06 PM

I don't specifically know what you're referring to, but perhaps the alleged "mistreatment" is as false as the "holocaust" propaganda.

7/27/2007 8:51:11 PM

I suppose he could also be demonstrating how preposterous it is to think that anybody, ever, will be persuaded by salisburyboy's ramblings.

He certainly is laying on the random quotation marks as heavily as salisburyboy ever has.

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 8:58 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2007 8:58:00 PM

[Edited on July 27, 2007 at 9:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2007 9:03:55 PM

I enjoy this thread.

7/28/2007 12:45:17 PM

Just look at the name Treblinka. Tres is french for "very" and a blink is little more than a wink. So it makes sense that "Wink Wink Concentration Camp" is a load of crap.

It also makes sense to end all of the Jew lies at the end of July.

7/28/2007 12:50:40 PM

^ LOL

7/28/2007 1:27:16 PM

rotfl

7/30/2007 10:20:10 AM

I thought the point of this was to show how stupid and unoriginal all of salisburyboy's threads are by demonstrating how even someone who doesn't believe can cut and paste crap from hate sites.

7/30/2007 11:27:31 AM

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH JEWLIE AUGUST SEPTEMBER

7/30/2007 11:30:58 AM

blatant strawman argument

I'm not saying genocides have not occured in history. Of course they have occured. But the so-called "holocaust" of WWII is NOT one of those. Yes, people died in the camps, but not because there was the intent to perpetrate genocide...but rather primarily from disease and starvation.

Now if you want a REAL genocide, why don't you look at what was done to Germans during and just after the war. IE, the fire-bombing of Germans cities (eg, Dresden) and the deliberate targetting of civilians...mass slaughter and burning to death of thousands. Or the deliberate starving to death of 3 MILLION Germans (including 2 million German civilians) after the war. Don't believe me?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/15/bomac14.xml

Quote :

"How three million Germans died after VE Day [...] The US Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were genocidal Nazi-like schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of what was left of the bombed-out cities"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/12/wdres12.xml

Quote :

"German ruling says Dresden was a holocaust [...] Attitudes towards the Allied bombing campaign, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, are changing. Estimates of the death toll in Dresden in February 1945 hover at about 35,000. All the same, some historians claim that as many as 500,000 people were killed in the raids. Strictly speaking, the word "holocaust," which comes from the ancient Greek for "burnt", might seem apt for Dresden, much of it immolated by the fires started by the RAF's incendiary bombs.""

7/30/2007 11:52:12 AM

lol guth does a better job at this than salisburytroll

7/30/2007 1:16:42 PM

yeah, i know. it almost seems credible now.

7/30/2007 2:47:34 PM

I don't think anyone's disputed that lots of Germans died in WWII, but the fact that lots of Germans died has no bearing on the fact that the Germans rounded up and slaughtered the Jews and others.

7/30/2007 3:54:49 PM

i think more Russians died in WWII than all other countries combined.

and thats not counting the ones that Stalin executed.

7/30/2007 4:19:04 PM

^ China?

7/30/2007 4:46:36 PM

i dont know... did many russians die in china?

7/30/2007 6:43:22 PM

^ You were right. The Soviets....uh...win?

Country/Population 1939/Military deaths/Civilian deaths/Jewish Holocaust deaths/Total deaths/Deaths as % of population
China 517,568,000 3,800,000 15,805,000 19,605,000 3.78%
Soviet Union 175,500,000 10,700,000 11,900,000 1,000,000 23,600,000 13.44%

7/30/2007 8:02:18 PM

Related...

It was once deemed an "irrefutable fact" that 4 million people died at Auschwitz alone. The current estimate is well below that (by at least 2.5 million).

Here's the estimate given on the official Auschwitz Museum website:

Quote :

"The overall number of victims of Auschwitz in the years 1940-1945 is estimated at between 1,100,000 and 1,500,000 people."

http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/html/eng/historia_KL/liczba_narodowosc_ofiar_ok.html

The plaque at the Auschwitz Museum was changed to reflect this change from 4 million to 1.5 million (the estimate of 1.5 million is still way too high, by the way):



Above left: This was the plaque on display at the Auschwitz camp until 1989: note the "4 million" victims. Above right: This is the plaque currently on display at Auschwitz - note the suddenly reduced number of victims to 1.5 million - a casual reduction in the number of deaths by 2.5 million.

If the official Auschwitz Museum has revised down the deaths at Auschwitz by 2.5 million, why has the 6 million number remained unchanged?

7/30/2007 8:17:37 PM

^^ well, actually i said Russians died more than all other countries combined.

which wasnt true, because i forgot about China.

from now on, I'll say:

"Russia had the most WWII deaths of all countries -- and more than all European countries, plus America and Japan, combined."














[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 8:32 PM. Reason : freakin chinamen always skewing the numbers ... ]

7/30/2007 8:19:18 PM

^^ fix your goddamned image links.

hey, wait a second .... who the fuck are you ?

JohnHSalisburyGuth???

7/30/2007 8:21:30 PM

Quote :

"Above left: This was the plaque on display at the Auschwitz camp until 1989: note the "4 million" victims. Above right: This is the plaque currently on display at Auschwitz - note the suddenly reduced number of victims to 1.5 million - a casual reduction in the number of deaths by 2.5 million."

The 4 million plaque was placed there by the Soviets after the war and didn't reflect any research into actual numbers. No Holocaust figures aside from the single plaque ever mention 4 million dead Jews at Auschwitz.

The second was a realistic estimate.

7/30/2007 8:24:25 PM

whats wrong with the image links?

7/30/2007 8:24:32 PM

guth -

Quote :

"The majority of them died in Soviet captivity "

nice try though...

Quote :

"If the official Auschwitz Museum has revised down the deaths at Auschwitz by 2.5 million, why has the 6 million number remained unchanged?"

perhaps the other 51 camps the Nazi's ran? just a thought

[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 8:27 PM. Reason : thought]

7/30/2007 8:25:05 PM

^ yes, the disputed 4 million plaque was never used in the total calculations.

i studied the holocaust and wwII a decent bit. i dont remember anyone ever saying 4 million died in Auschwitz alone.

given the size and the scope of the "final solution" and the number of significant death camps run by the nazis, a 4 million figure at Auschwitz alone would be ridiculous

this is a red herring.




[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 8:49 PM. Reason : ]

7/30/2007 8:31:13 PM

pay no attention to what the left hand is doing....

7/30/2007 8:59:32 PM

If 6 million Jews really perished circa WWII, then how is it possible that worldwide Jewish population increased slightly or remained the same (around 16 million) from 1938 to 1948, per World Almanac and other population figures?

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-holocaust-lies-hoax-frauds-blackflagops-hoaxarchive.html



$250,000 reward for anyone who can find evidence of a mass grave at Treblinka
http://www.nafcash.com/

7/31/2007 6:24:04 AM

you're recycling salisbury's stuff

the only difference is your tone is less shrill.

7/31/2007 10:51:50 AM

^ yeah he is....

Quote :

"If 6 million Jews really perished circa WWII, then how is it possible that worldwide Jewish population increased slightly or remained the same (around 16 million) from 1938 to 1948, per World Almanac and other population figures?"

don't know much about population growth do we now?

7/31/2007 11:00:53 AM

The consensus is that ~3.5 million jews died in all concentration camps combined. The vast majority of the rest were executed by einsatzgruppen behind the advancing German lines on the eastern front.

The history of the einsatzgruppen is extremely well documented on a unit by unit basis and is near impossible to refute, yet holocaust deniers never ever mention it.

7/31/2007 12:06:56 PM

you're so blind.

7/31/2007 12:35:02 PM

^ stunning analysis.

care to elaborate?

7/31/2007 12:50:09 PM

The false testimony and lies of Elie Weisel?

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml


Or the fraudulent "Diary of Anne Frank"?

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p147_Faurisson.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4197


Or how about the leading representative of "Holocaust survivors" in Spain who admitted to being an impostor and liar, and that he was never even in a camp.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4539461.stm

Quote :

"Spanish Nazi camp 'survivor' lied Thursday, 12 May, 2005 A leading representative of Holocaust survivors in Spain has admitted to being "an impostor". Enric Marco told Spanish TV he was never held in the Nazi concentration camp of Flossenburg as he had claimed for nearly 30 years. Mr Marco, 84, was head of the Amical de Mauthausen group, named after the camp in Austria where the Nazis held most of their Spanish political prisoners. His lies were discovered by a historian researching his story. Mr Marco admitted: "I wasn't in a concentration camp. I was held in captivity and the Nazis did impose penalties on me. But that does not exonerate me from being an impostor.""

8/3/2007 6:09:20 PM

good find.

obviously, the lie of one man about which Nazi prison he was held captive in has destroyed the credibility of the mountains of legitimate Holocaust evidence, and the testimony of tens of thousands of witnesses.

and the other stories.... man, these are great sites.

Quote :

"The IHR is the only history research and publishing center in America that boldly and conscientiously identifies the enemies of freedom and peace ... Uniquely, the IHR speaks factually and forthrightly about the dangerous Jewish-Zionist grip on our cultural and political life, the corrosive impact of Holocaust propaganda, World War II lies, and much more. http://www.ihr.com "

and these guys... they are seeking the truth, to be sure.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/ ??

if it isnt the truth about Zionist cabals orchestrating 9/11 attacks from within the White House war room, its the truth about extraterrestrials being used by the government to abduct children.

good job. and thank you.

im glad we can end this thread now.




[Edited on August 3, 2007 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ]

8/3/2007 7:43:02 PM

The jews have a "victim complex" and have made various ridiculous and false claims of "genocide" in history.

Example from the Babylonian Talmud (the most "holy" book in the religion of Judaism):

Gittin 57b . Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 64 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans.


http://www.come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_57.html

Quote :

"...this is the cry caused by the Emperor Vespasian who killed in the city of Bethar four hundred thousand myriads, or as some say, four thousand myriads."

http://www.come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_58.html

Quote :

"There were four hundred synagogues in the city of Bethar, and in every one were four hundred teachers of children, and each one had under him four hundred pupils, and when the enemy entered there they pierced them with their staves, and when the enemy prevailed and captured them, they wrapped them in their scrolls and burnt them with fire."

lmao

8/23/2007 11:32:58 PM