http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2962823

I thought that the whole story with SC was that their lack of admission standards led to them leaving the ACC. I always wondered how admissions departments felt about athletics departments, and it looks like a big middle finger to the old ball coach.

Anyone else every hear of a D-I program with a problem like this? Sure Duke/Stanford can't get the "caliber" of kids that FSU gets, but they recruit accordingly...

8/6/2007 2:48:14 PM

Coaches don't give a fuck

If people with Downs Syndrome didn't have limited motor skills, we'd already have All-Americans who majored in coloring

8/6/2007 2:52:08 PM

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN AS LONG AS SPURRIER IS THERE....HE RUNS COLUMBIA, SC

8/6/2007 2:57:48 PM

he's already pitched a bitch and threatened to leave.

8/6/2007 2:58:36 PM

^^^^The reason USC left I think was they wanted to do something in the admissions of an athlete that the ACC allowed UNC to do but would not allow USC to do. USC left decrying that the conference had two sets of rules depending on where a school was located.

Nowhere in the article does it give the reason the two were not accepted by admissions.

Expected from a sports website I guess...

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 3:00 PM. Reason : /]

8/6/2007 2:58:49 PM

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"If people with Downs Syndrome didn't have limited motor skills, we'd already have All-Americans who majored in coloring"

haha

8/6/2007 3:09:00 PM

oh the shamecocks....how they will forever continue to amuse me with their shenanigans and piss poor football program.

8/6/2007 3:16:59 PM

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"The 1981 squad also became the first athletic team in school history to win a National Championship. Clemson defeated Nebraska in the Orange Bowl in Miami, Florida to win the 1981 NCAA Football National Championship. Stars of the game included Homer Jordan (QB) and Perry Tuttle (WR). Clemson finished the year 12-0 and ranked #1 in the Associated Press and Coaches polls. That same year Clemson was placed on three years probation by the NCAA for recruiting infractions that took place between 1977 and 1982, in providing improper inducements to players on that team [4]. "

Nothing like cheating winning!!!

8/6/2007 3:23:19 PM

^^clemson fan...

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 3:24 PM. Reason : /]

8/6/2007 3:23:48 PM

that shit was funny as hell...charlotte.com was trying to spin it like "Spurrier threatens to leave" which I thought was funny

8/6/2007 3:28:56 PM

yea and Southern Cal didnt have a single recruiting violation during their back to back national championships....*cough* reggie bush *cough*

8/6/2007 3:30:11 PM

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"oh the shamecocks....how they will forever continue to amuse me with their shenanigans and piss poor football program."

Then what would you consider NCSU's program? South Carolinas is better than States.

8/6/2007 3:31:38 PM

^^as far as i know, reggie bush's violations were w/ people giving him money and houses to be his agent, that's not a recruiting violation.

it's fucking southern cal, every good player in the country wants to go there.

8/6/2007 3:32:44 PM

And UF had a certifiable retard on the team (Dallas Baker)....

I just thought it was funny that a fan of a team that was placed on probation just a few months after they won their only Nat'l Championship called another program shameful.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 3:34 PM. Reason : x]

8/6/2007 3:34:14 PM

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"This is South Carolina football… South Carolina has an all-time winning percentage under .500, which ranks 89th all-time in D-1A football...only 28 programs have been worse. A few of the notable football programs who have been better than the Gamecocks include such powerhouses as: Duke, Western Michigan, Tulsa, Toledo, Navy, UAB, Central Florida, Ball St., North Texas, Nevada, East Carolina, Houston, Northern Illinois, Utah St., San Jose St., Vanderbilt, Akron, Baylor, UNLV, Kansas, and Rutgers just to name a few. This is Carolina Gamecock football. In the 58 seasons Carolina has been affiliated with a conference, they have won that conference once...the ACC in 1969, with a 7-4 record. Since the Associated Press began ranking football teams in 1936, the Cocks have finished in the Top 20 of the rankings only five times in the 67 years. Carolina has never finished in the Top 10 of a major recognized poll...NEVER. The first year of Gamecock football was in 1892, Carolina won its first bowl game 103 years later. In 109 seasons of football, Carolina has yet to participate in one of the “Big 5” Bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton). As Carolina is set to begin its 110th season of collegiate football, they have won 10 or more games in a single season once. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won more games than it lost only 50 times. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won 6 or more games in a season 33 times, and lost 6 or more 34 times. This is Carolina Gamecock football. South Carolina has had 32 different head coaches in its storied tradition...only five of them stayed longer than 5 seasons, 21 of them have losing records. Add to that the winning tradition the Cocks have enjoyed at home in Williams-Brice Stadium. Carolina is 16-27-1 at home in conference since joining the SEC. It’s another Carolina Touchdown!?…not quite. Of the 50 programs, which have played more than 1000 games all-time, only four have scored fewer points than South Carolina in their schools history. Their 7.8 ppg in the SEC is the fewest since the conference expanded to 12 members in 1992. This is the tradition of Carolina football. Since joining the SEC in 1992, Carolina has had a winning record in the conference twice. In the eleven seasons as a member of the SEC, Carolina boasts a conference record of 31-56-1…only two teams have been worse: Kentucky has 25 wins, Vanderbilt 10. Although Carolina has yet to finish in the top two of the Eastern division, they have finished last twice. Carolina has yet to win six conference games in a season, something only Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Vanderbilt have done in the last 11 seasons. And no one should forget the fact that Carolina went two consecutive seasons without winning one conference game, not one. Carolina had an impressive string of 21 consecutive games with a loss snapped in 2000 by beating New Mexico State (then let the rest of the country know what Carolina football was all about by tearing down the goal-posts). Since 1992, only three times has any non-probation member of the conference failed to win two or more games overall in a season…South Carolina has accomplished this feat twice, Kentucky once. Since 1992, only once has a conference member failed to win a game overall in a single season…you guessed it, South Carolina. South Carolina’s all-time record versus other current conference members is even more impressive: 2-9 vs Alabama, 4-7 vs Arkansas, 1-4-1 vs Auburn, 3-17-3 vs Florida, 13-40-2 vs Georgia, 7-6-1 vs Kentucky, 2-13-1 vs LSU, 5-6 vs Ole Miss, 5-6 vs Mississippi St., 2-17-2 vs Tennessee, and 10-2 vs Vanderbilt. That’s correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 SEC teams...Kentucky and Vanderbilt. This is Carolina Gamecock football. But, the comparison of only 11 seasons in one conference does no justice to the tradition of South Carolina football. So lets compare the Cocks record versus D-1A schools they have played 20 or more times: 36-60-4 vs Clemson, 17-24-3 vs Duke, 3-17-3 vs Florida, 13-40-2 vs Georgia, 9-12 vs Georgia Tech,11-17 vs Maryland, 16-34-4 vs North Carolina, 25-26-4 vs North Carolina State, 2-17-2 vs Tennessee, 20-12-1 vs Virginia, and 34-20-2 vs Wake Forest. That’s correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 of these 11 teams...Virginia and Wake Forest. This is Carolina Gamecock football. But all this tradition and past records are meaningless. What is more important is the recent history. Only losers live in the past. We are in the best years of Carolina Gamecock football, and the future has never been brighter...or has it? Carolina is coming off another losing season, the 8th in the last 12 seasons. Overall record since Lou Holtz became Head Coach: 22-25. Since 1995: 38-52-1, which is 82nd among D-1A teams over the same period. Since Joining the SEC: 55-68-1, which is 75th among D-1A teams over the same peiod. Since 1990: 64-79-3, which is 72nd among D-1A teams over the same period. Carolina has finished in the Top 15 once in the past 15 seasons, and been to three bowl games in that span. This is Carolina Gamecock football. 2002 was the season that the Cocks would finally surpass Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida. They would finally get over “the hump” to capture the Eastern Division Championship. You had two Heisman candidates in the same backfield, Pinnock and Jenkins. You mixed up all the ingredients to produce another sub .500 record, and another 0-for against the Big 3 from the East. The Carolina Heisman candidate at RB finished with less than 50 ypg rushing, and the Heisman candidate at QB finished the season at DB. But, wait there is always next year...2003 will be different...This is Carolina’s year. We all wait with great anticipation. Bear in mind, this doesn't include USuC's second straight 5-7 season in 2003, which include the most embarassing loss in the CU/USuC rivalry by the score of 63-17!!!! Throw in the fact that they concluded the season on their second straight 4 loss stint and how could ANY recruit EVER want to play for South Carolina?? Following the 2004 season South Carolina has an all-time winning percentage under .500 (500-507-44), which ranks 88th all-time in D-1A football...only 29 programs have been worse. A few of the notable football programs who have been better than the Gamecocks include such powerhouses as: Duke, Western Michigan, Toledo, Navy, UAB, Central Florida, Ball St., North Texas, Nevada, East Carolina, Houston, Northern Illinois, Utah St., San Jose St., Vanderbilt, Akron, Baylor, UNLV, Kansas, and Rutgers just to name a few. This is Carolina Gamecock football. In the 59 seasons Carolina has been affiliated with a conference, they have won that conference once...the ACC in 1969, with a 7-4 record. Since the Associated Press began ranking football teams in 1936, the Cocks have finished in the Top 20 of the rankings only five times in the 67 years. Carolina has never finished in the Top 10 of a major recognized poll...NEVER. The first year of Gamecock football was in 1892, Carolina won its first bowl game 103 years later under BRAD SCOTT. In 109 seasons of football, Carolina has yet to participate in one of the "Big 5" Bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton). As Carolina is set to begin its 110th season of collegiate football, they have won 10 or more games in a single season once. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won more games than it lost only 50 times. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won 6 or more games in a season 33 times, and lost 6 or more 35 times. This is Carolina Gamecock football. South Carolina has had 32 different head coaches in its storied tradition...only five of them stayed longer than 5 seasons, 21 of them have losing records. Add to that the winning tradition the Cocks have enjoyed at home in Williams-Brice Stadium. Carolina is 18-36-1 at home in conference since joining the SEC. It's another Carolina Touchdown!?.not quite. Of the 56 programs, which have played more than 1000 games all-time, only four have scored fewer points than South Carolina in their schools history. Since joining the SEC in 1992, Carolina has had a winning record in the conference twice. In the eleven seasons as a member of the SEC, Carolina boasts a conference record of 33-62-1.only two teams have been worse: Kentucky has 26 wins, Vanderbilt 11. Although Carolina has yet to finish in the top two of the Eastern division, they have finished last twice. Carolina has yet to win six conference games in a season, something that only Kentucky and Vanderbilt have done in the last 11 seasons. And no one should forget the fact that Carolina went two consecutive seasons without winning one conference game, not one. Carolina had an impressive string of 21 consecutive games with a loss snapped in 2000 by beating New Mexico State (then let the rest of the country know what Carolina football was all about by tearing down the goal-posts). Since 1992, only three times has any non-probation member of the conference failed to win two or more games overall in a season.South Carolina has accomplished this feat twice, Kentucky once. Since 1992, only once has a conference member failed to win a game overall in a single season.you guessed it, South Carolina. South Carolina's all-time record versus other current conference members is even more impressive: 2-9 vs Alabama, 4-8 vs Arkansas, 1-4-1 vs Auburn, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 8-6-1 vs Kentucky, 2-14-1 vs LSU, 5-7 vs Ole Miss, 5-6 vs Mississippi St., 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, and 11-2 vs Vanderbilt. That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 SEC teams...Kentucky and Vanderbilt. "

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 3:49 PM. Reason : booya]

8/6/2007 3:34:31 PM

continued...

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" But, the comparison of only 12 seasons in one conference does no justice to the tradition of South Carolina football. So lets compare the Cocks record versus D-1A schools they have played 20 or more times: 36-61-4 vs Clemson, 17-24-3 vs Duke, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 9-12 vs Georgia Tech,11-17 vs Maryland, 16-34-4 vs North Carolina, 25-26-4 vs North Carolina State, 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, 21-12-1 vs Virginia, and 34-20-2 vs Wake Forest. That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 of these 11 teams...Virginia and Wake Forest. This is Carolina Gamecock football. Gamecock fans justify their horrible football record thru the strength of the SEC conference. But let's look at the Gamecock's record against the other big 4 conferences. South Carolina is 172-221-18 vs the ACC, 6-8 vs the Big 12, 22-26-5 vs the Big East, and 3-5 vs the Big Ten. But all this tradition and past records are meaningless. What is more important is the recent history. Only losers live in the past. We are in the best years of Carolina Gamecock football, and the future has never been brighter...or has it? Carolina is coming off another losing season, the 9th in the last 13 seasons. Overall record since "the legend" Lou Holtz became Head Coach: 27-32 (0.458) . Since 1995: 43-59-1. Since Joining the SEC: 60-75-1. Since 1990 South Carolina is 69-86-3. Carolina has finished in the Top 15 once in the past 15 seasons, and been to three bowl games in that span. 2003 was the season that the Cocks would rebuild and compete for a SEC title with their consecutive top 10 recruiting classes. Yet, they finished the season with another sub 500 performance. A season that ended with a 63-17 thumping at home from archrival Clemson. In 2004 ,the Carolina fans were again boasting about another great recruiting class. How did that end ? How about 29-7 and staying home AGAIN ! Now here comes another washed up coach and the fire extinguishers are being charged and a new 2001 CD has arrived at William Brice. Through out the south, subtle echoes are being herd everywhere, "Wait till next year!." Simple Choice..... If you want to win then you don't choose to play football at the University of South Carolina "

( i realize this is totally pro-clemson, anti-USC, but those are the stats.)

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2007 3:50:15 PM

While true that South Carolina has been pathetic historically (under .500 overall) Spurrier will get them on the right track, they have a decent chance to win the SEC east with Florida's mass exit and Spurrier's domination of Fulmer, not saying it's going to happen this year, but it's only getting better for them. Also, Duke football (referenced in the "this is scar football article") was decent until some guy named Spurrier left. If you're under 25, all you know about Duke football is that they are terrible. On a side note, no team should poke fun at another for probation, happens everywhere, including the schools in this thread in Clemson, Scar, and *gasp* NCSU

8/6/2007 3:59:37 PM

so to sum it up...

NCSU Championships: 11
South Carolina Championships:1

NCSU Bowl Record: 12-10-1
SC Bowl Record: 4-9-0


so i really dont see where our football program is worse than South Carolina's.

8/6/2007 4:01:11 PM

^NCSU HAS 12 FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIPS???

WHEN...IN THE 1800s???

8/6/2007 4:02:58 PM

^11...

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" 1 1907 6-0-1 South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association Champions 2 1910 4-0-2 South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association Champions 3 1913 6-1-0 South Atlantic Intercollegiate Athletic Association Champions 4 1927 9-1-0 Southern Conference Co-Champions 5 1957 7-1-2 Atlantic Coast Conference Champions 6 1963 8-3-0 Atlantic Coast Conference Co-Champions 7 1964 5-5-0 Atlantic Coast Conference Champions 8 1965 6-4-0 Atlantic Coast Conference Co-Champions 9 1968 6-4-0 Atlantic Coast Conference Champions 10 1973 9-3-0 Atlantic Coast Conference Champions 11 1979 7-4-0 Atlantic Coast Conference Champions "

8/6/2007 4:06:23 PM

I THOUGHT YOU MEANT NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

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"7 1964 5-5-0 Atlantic Coast Conference Champions "

HOW DOES A 5-5 TEAM WIN THE CONFERENCE....THATS PRETTY SAD....I KNEW THE ACC WAS AS SHITTY FOOTBALL CONFERENCE BUT THIS IS PATHETIC!!

8/6/2007 4:44:01 PM

Typical State fans. Living in the past. As of right now, and the RECENT past, South Carolinas is a better program. Hell, if you want to base a programs current program based on the past results, Princeton is one of the best football programs in the nation.

And lets put it this way. Lou Holtz and Spurrier would never coach at NCSU.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : /]

8/6/2007 4:52:16 PM

We got the Cocks in Columbia next year and in Raleigh the year after that, both times being the first game of the year for both teams, both times on ESPN Thursday Night

It'll be interesting

8/6/2007 5:00:13 PM

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"Then what would you consider NCSU's program? South Carolinas is better than States."

Chuck Amato alone, in hs short time at NC State, has more bowl victories than South Carolina has in its entire history.

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"And lets put it this way. Lou Holtz and Spurrier would never coach at NCSU. "

Dumbass...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Holtz

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"In 1972, Holtz moved to North Carolina State University and had a 31-11-2 record in four seasons. His team played in four bowl games, winning two, losing one, and tying one."

8/6/2007 5:00:31 PM

^^ Give me a goddamn break. You're retarded

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"Then what would you consider NCSU's program? South Carolinas is better than States."

South Carolina got Spurrier because they have a few batshit crazy boosters who coughed up money and Spurrier was jobless. Money talks. Plus Spurrier is a golf freak and got a complementary membership to a few clubs.

Academic standards ARE LOWER at SC. ACC standards in general for student athletes are higher. look it up. Spurrier just needs to quit his bitching.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 5:05 PM. Reason : :]

8/6/2007 5:03:51 PM

lol Flush got owned Royally

8/6/2007 5:04:13 PM

Oh, well didn't know that. Either way, South Carolina is still the better program, they have the better coach, better recruits, and have a much better outlook.


And there is no way Holtz would have come back to coach NCSU. The football program is a joke.

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"South Carolina got Spurrier because they have a few batshit crazy boosters who coughed up money and Spurrier was jobless. Money talks. Plus Spurrier is a golf freak and got a complementary membership to a few clubs."

If you want to throw Augusta National into the category of "a few clubs" then sure.

South Carolina, and its fans, are willing to do whatever it takes to win, unlike NCSU. Who had to settle on Tom Obrien.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 5:08 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2007 5:06:18 PM

You don't know shit.

Don't come back here to Miami either. There are enough fucking retards here as it is.

8/6/2007 5:07:34 PM

I know the NCSU program is a joke. That is pretty hard to argue.

I'm already back in Miami. Living in redneckville for one semester was enough for me. And I got accepted into law school here, so its all good. I don't see how you cats can live up there.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 5:11 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2007 5:09:47 PM

Its a joke in the sense that many fans consider us to be nationally relevant

But its not a joke compared to most football programs in the country---the last few years of the Amato era nonwithstanding

8/6/2007 5:14:15 PM

^^ Riiiiiiiiiiight.

Your definition of a "joke" may be inflated based upon what? Miami I'm guessing? 5 titles in 25 years? Get real.

South Carolina has money and heavy boosters. Even much more than Miami. So they got Spurrier. A name. That still doesn't mean shit. They still won't break out and won't surpass NC State. Those are facts, jack.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 5:17 PM. Reason : :]

8/6/2007 5:14:42 PM

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"Its a joke in the sense that many fans consider us to be nationally relevant But its not a joke compared to most football programs in the country---the last few years of the Amato era nonwithstanding"

Okay. But a joke to someone who doesn't know shit about football.

8/6/2007 5:17:13 PM

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"South Carolina, and its fans, are willing to do whatever it takes to win, unlike NCSU."

Apparently you have not seen our new football facilities. Pretty much everyone in the country will admit that it is one of the absolute best out there. We have just sold out our 7 straight season with season tickets and LTRs... our fans most assuredly do fork over the money.

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"Who had to settle on Tom Obrien."

TOB has a 7 game winning streak in bowl games, no other coach in the country can say that and South Carolina would need to double their bowl history to simply beat his streak total. TOB averages 9 wins a season while SOuth Carolina has only won 9 games in a season twice in the last 60+ years. TOB's current recruiting class is already Top 20 and climbing after just landing the top defender in the state and 3 Top 100 players.

Its not like you are trolling... you clearly just don't know shit about college football.

8/6/2007 5:17:17 PM

Ummm, they already have surpassed NCSU. And Spurrier is more than just a name, he is one of the best coaches in college football the past 20 years. I don't see what you are basing NCSU being a better program on. USC has been on the upswing since Spurrier got there, and NCSU has done nothing but go down the shitter. And if you really think that little coach you got is going to make you "nationally" relevant, you need to wake up. Nobody but your fans think you are. Sure, you have some nice little upsets here and there, but NCSU is nothing more than a bottom of the barrel ACC football program. You are the Kentucky of the ACC basically.

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"Apparently you have not seen our new football facilities. Pretty much everyone in the country will admit that it is one of the absolute best out there. We have just sold out our 7 straight season with season tickets and LTRs... our fans most assuredly do fork over the money."

I have, it looks like a glorified high school stadium.

And I love how you are basing your school success on your coaches success from his previous school. If you want to play that game, then USC is by far better based on Spurriers success at Florida. I seriously can't believe you are basing NCSUs program on Boston Colleges wins.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2007 5:18:44 PM

^^ couldn't have said it better. Exactly

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 5:19 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/6/2007 5:18:58 PM

South Carolina went winless in the 1999 season going 0-11. They had a 21 game losing streak until they beat I think Houston in 2000. The last time NC State didn't win a single game was in 1900 when State went 0-4. The last time State won only 1 game was in 1959. The last time State only won 2 games was in 1958.

8/6/2007 5:20:33 PM

What part of "right now USC is the better program" do you not understand.

8/6/2007 5:22:22 PM

USC is the better team right now

Not the better program

8/6/2007 5:23:55 PM

So I guess no one here has pointed out that SC took in more recruits than they were allowed to sign for this season

and the guys who "weren't eligible" weren't exactly the top recruits, if you catch my drift.

8/6/2007 5:31:51 PM

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"And I love how you are basing your school success on your coaches success from his previous school."

TOB's success at a previous school is all we have because its his first year. He average 9 wins a year with inferior talent to what we already have and what he is bring in at NC State now. Spurrier has not won as many games at uber-supported USC as TOB was winning at bastard child Boston College. Hell, I already pointed out that the coach we fired last year has more bowl wins than South Carolina does in its entire history. The recent 7 year span (even with the dropoff) > USC's 60+ years. Not just bowl wins either, check out the draft/NFL success with players like Torry Holt, Philip Rivers, Jerricho Cotchery, Adrian Wilson, etc.

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"What part of "right now USC is the better program" do you not understand."

The part that says "right now USC is the better program."

Hell, even ESPN agrees that NC State is the better program.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2947981
40 North Carolina State 68-53 .562 0 4-2
T-46 South Carolina 54-63 .462 0 3-1

8/6/2007 5:35:16 PM

So..... because Arizona State has Dennis Erickson... an even more of a proven coach than Spurrier.... then Arizona State is a better football program than Cal? Or Arizona?

8/6/2007 5:35:56 PM

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"So I guess no one here has pointed out that SC took in more recruits than they were allowed to sign for this season and the guys who "weren't eligible" weren't exactly the top recruits, if you catch my drift."

They were the lowest rated players in their respective position, if I remember the discussion from the other day correctly. Both of them were the first to commit in their respective positions too. Way to show loyalty!

8/6/2007 5:37:05 PM

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"I have, it looks like a glorified high school stadium."

So what the hell is the Orange Bowl? Its a half-empty shit-pit in the barrio. I've been there. I've seen Hecht, the OB, the athletic facilities at UM. I like UM a lot, but you don't know what you are talking about. Jesus, how can you spend four years going to 'Canes football games at the OB- then have the audacity to scoff NC State's facilities.

Miami's facilities <<<<<<< NC State's facilities. Hate to break the news to ya. Even guys on CaneSport will tell you that.

[Edited on August 6, 2007 at 5:44 PM. Reason : :]

8/6/2007 5:39:21 PM

Umm, where did I ever claim that Tha U's were better?

8/6/2007 5:43:08 PM

here is USC's football schedule last year.

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"August 31 at Mississippi State W 15-0 1-0 (1-0) September 9 No. 12 Georgia L 18-0 1-1 (1-1) September 16 Wofford W 27-20 2-1 (1-1) September 23 Florida Atlantic W 45-6 3-1 (1-1) September 28 No. 2 Auburn L 24-17 3-2 (1-2) October 7 at Kentucky W 24-17 4-2 (2-2) October 21 at Vanderbilt W 31-13 5-2 (3-2) October 28 No. 8 Tennessee L 31-24 5-3 (3-3) November 4 No. 12 Arkansas L 26-20 5-4 (3-4) November 11 at No. 6 Florida L 17-16 5-5 (3-5) CBS November 18 Middle Tennessee State W 52-7 6-5 (3-5) November 25 at No. 24 Clemson W 31-28 7-5 (3-5)"

Notice only 1 quality win (Clemson). All the others on that list that they beat aren't exactly what you call football schools. You act like Spurrier has made the program LSU your something.

8/6/2007 5:44:02 PM

I like UM football a lot, but how the hell can you call Carter-Finley "a glorified high school stadium"- after spending years going to Miami football games. With a straight face.

8/6/2007 5:46:20 PM

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"And lets put it this way. Lou Holtz and Spurrier would never coach at NCSU. "

I think the argument was over as soon as this gem was revealed.....Bear Bryant would have never coached at Maryland either, or

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"Kentucky"

either

8/6/2007 5:48:53 PM

You can't use one year as a way to determine who has the better recent football program. By that logic Rutgers could claim they have a better program than Alabama, just based on last years results.


We could just use the 7 year span that Amato was here from 2000-2006, and since that excludes the 1999 0-11 season, USC isn't hampered.

NC State averaged exactly 7 wins the past 7 years, despite the recent dip in performance the past three years.

USC averaged 6.86 wins the past 7 years.


Bowl record over the past 7 years.
- NC State 4-1
- USC 3-2


So both schools are nearly even the past 7 years, with NC State being slightly better overall.

8/6/2007 6:04:38 PM

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"Lou Holtz and Spurrier would never coach at NCSU. "

I am still laughing at this.

8/6/2007 6:11:52 PM

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""August 31 at Mississippi State W 15-0 1-0 (1-0) September 9 No. 12 Georgia L 18-0 1-1 (1-1) September 16 Wofford W 27-20 2-1 (1-1) September 23 Florida Atlantic W 45-6 3-1 (1-1) September 28 No. 2 Auburn L 24-17 3-2 (1-2) October 7 at Kentucky W 24-17 4-2 (2-2) October 21 at Vanderbilt W 31-13 5-2 (3-2) October 28 No. 8 Tennessee L 31-24 5-3 (3-3) November 4 No. 12 Arkansas L 26-20 5-4 (3-4) November 11 at No. 6 Florida L 17-16 5-5 (3-5) CBS November 18 Middle Tennessee State W 52-7 6-5 (3-5) November 25 at No. 24 Clemson W 31-28 7-5 (3-5)""

Their second best win was Mississippi State.

This schedule really demonstrates what I hate about Division I-A football and their schedules. Look at that schedule, they lose to every good team they play, beat a mid-level Clemson, beat all the SEC whipping boys except Ole Miss which wasn't on there, a couple Sun Belt teams, Wofford, and then they brag as if they actually did something. 3-5 in the SEC and South Carolina fans are acting like last year was awesome!

8/6/2007 6:35:14 PM