this season or overall (amongst current players)

rank them if you like or just list em

and i guess you can add NL pitchers but keep em separate...we all know Peavy and Webb are ballin but at least keep the lists separate

AL Pitchers

1. Johan Santana
2. Roy Halladay
3. Scott Kazmir
4. Justin Verlander
5. CC Sabathia

i guess my list isnt necessarily just based on this season or an Erik Bedard wouldve made it although Sabathia kind of goes against that trend

anyway this should be enough to get the topic going

8/22/2007 7:14:23 PM

Umm, if this is overall too, then how in the hell do you not have Clemens on that list?

[Edited on August 22, 2007 at 7:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2007 7:15:46 PM

i guess what i meant by overall was just to say that a pitcher like Johan who isnt having a Cy Young caliber season is still one of the best overall, whereas Clemens might be the best of all time, but as of right now he's past his prime, if that makes sense

think "best pitchers in the game right now"

[Edited on August 22, 2007 at 7:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2007 7:19:04 PM

1. Johan Santana
2. Erik Bedard
3. Roy Halladay
4. C. C. Sabathia
5. Josh Beckett
6. Dan Haren
7. Scott Kazmir
8. Justin Verlander
9. Felix Hernandez
10. Kelvim Escobar

8/22/2007 7:43:26 PM

^^Oh ok, got ya. That makes a lot more sense. I didn't think you would over overlook Clemens.

[Edited on August 22, 2007 at 7:55 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2007 7:47:27 PM

1) Johan Santana
2) Roy Halladay
3) Dan Haren
4) Erik Bedard
5) John Lackey

8/22/2007 7:55:07 PM

Escobar has a better ERA than Santana and a better win/loss record if this is a "right now" sorta thing. Also, is this just starting pitchers? J.J. Putz is a monster, leads the AL in saves.

8/22/2007 8:07:57 PM

I'm taking this "right now" thing to be more of a "who would you want starting for you right now" sorta thing

8/22/2007 8:19:54 PM

Obviously none of the guys for the Orioles tonight could make this list.

30 runs. Are you fucking kidding me?

8/22/2007 8:20:24 PM

yeah, thats bad:

4 pitchers for the orioles:

Cabrera - 6 ER
Burres - 8 ER
Bell - 7 ER
Shuey - 9 ER

while 2 Rangers players have 7 RBI

8/22/2007 8:23:30 PM

yeah herschulez, i mean starters

if not putz would certainly be right up there...hell jenks has given up what, 1 hit in his last 40 batters faced?

8/22/2007 8:29:15 PM

1) santana
2) halladay
3) bedard
4) kazmir
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5) the field

8/22/2007 10:56:06 PM

id put verlander higher

and how is dice k not there

8/22/2007 11:05:19 PM

Santana
Bedard
Haren
Beckett
Halladay

in no particular order

8/22/2007 11:06:50 PM

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"and how is dice k not there"

for me the same reason i didnt put bedard on there...gotta do it consistently not just one year

8/23/2007 12:04:14 AM

1. Roy Halladay (post his cy young season several years ago) has not been a top 5 pitcher. He's missed significant parts of 05 and 06, and this year, he isn't even the best pitcher on his team (Shaun Marcum)

2. If this is a list of best pitchers, then we have to include relievers. Papelbon, Jenks, Putz, Nathan, etc are all deserving of top 5 consideration.

3. Why is Scott Kazmir getting so much love? I understand he pitches for a horrible team, and his stuff is nasty, elite pitchers still find a way to win games. Dude is 1 game over .500 this year.

4. How about an NL list...

1. Peavy
2. Webb
3. Young
4. Hamels
5. Aaron Harang (flame on)

8/23/2007 5:06:47 AM

^I'd throw Zambrano in there

8/23/2007 7:40:54 AM

If your talking about current pitchers throughout their career then the top 5 should be

1. Roger Clemens
2. Johan Santana
3. Mariano Rivera
4. Curt Schilling
5. Roy Halladay

If your talking this season as the major barometer

1. Josh Beckett
2. Dan Haren
3. JJ Putz
4. Kelvim Escobar
5. Justin Verlander

8/23/2007 8:27:34 AM

just for this season i would throw in carmona from the indians he has been pitching really well all season, unfortunatly he hasnt been getting the run support he needs.

8/23/2007 9:52:00 AM

if you are talking strictly about this season, you have to put Bedard and Beckett on the list.

8/23/2007 9:55:07 AM

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"just for this season i would throw in carmona from the indians he has been pitching really well all season, unfortunatly he hasnt been getting the run support he needs."

i was about to say the exact same thing. the guy's been lights out and keeps getting stuck with no run support. somehow we'll end up losing 1-0 or 2-1. CC's got the name recognition but fausto is our true #1 right now.

8/23/2007 10:28:09 AM

I know its rediculous he should easily have 3 more wins than he does.

8/23/2007 10:33:10 AM

poor bedard...

8/23/2007 11:04:59 AM

Quote :

"1. Roy Halladay (post his cy young season several years ago) has not been a top 5 pitcher. He's missed significant parts of 05 and 06, and this year, he isn't even the best pitcher on his team (Shaun Marcum)"

What are you talking about?

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=136880

Halladay is 14-5 with 5 complete games. Marcum has a worse record and no complete games. Halladay is 4-0 in his last 5 starts. Plus he has consistently produced.

8/23/2007 11:16:37 AM

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"CC's got the name recognition but fausto is our true #1 right now. "

i disagree...i'd definitely put Sabathia over Carmona if you're just talking about this year...ERA and WHIP are similar but Sabathia has a few more wins and a lot more strikeouts...i have them both on my fantasy team btw haha

^yeah marcum has been a better pitcher over the last few weeks but not the season as a whole...halladay is STILL a beast

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 11:26 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 11:27 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2007 11:25:39 AM