The drummer from Atreyu had 3 bass drums....

I've seen set-ups with 2 and I can understand that, but what's the point of the third one?

9/24/2007 2:54:52 AM

emo faggotry

9/24/2007 3:01:22 AM

emo faggotry

9/24/2007 3:53:20 AM

BECAUSE HE'S UBER HARDCORE

9/24/2007 4:02:01 AM

It depends on the drummer and the musical situation. The third bass drum and even more bass drums can be used for a flam effect; for distinct differences, if desired, in tuning between two bass drums in double-bass playing; for an immediately different bass drum sound simply by playing a pattern with the other foot, and as part of a drum kit within a drum kit--all the drummer has to do is turn to the left or right or move to another throne if the kit is large.
Some examples kits are Mike Portnoy's (he's on the cover of Modern Drummer this month) and Terry Bozzio's:

9/24/2007 4:25:52 AM

hes not even that good of a drummer and i dont think he has a really big set so i really dont know. normally its for 1 of 2 reasons tho, a desire for a kick with a different sound (different size drums) or an ability to have 2 kick drums available to you from different parts of a huge dream theatreesque set.

9/24/2007 7:14:17 AM

boo for edit time after driving to work. was going to add:

altho i imagine someone like portnoy uses multiple for a combination of those reasons

9/24/2007 7:45:46 AM

You can buy single foot double pedals to do a double kick on one bass. The problem is that you get a different sound that two separate pedals on two separate bass drums. I haven't seen his set up, but I imagine he has a single foot double on the center bass with an extension to the right bass, then a single pedal on the left. That way he can do fast bass rolls or keep a rhythm with two drums and add off time beats or punctuations with the left.

Short answer is that 3 separate drums being struck independently create a much richer sound that the same drum being struck multiple times at the same rhythm.

9/24/2007 9:33:35 AM

yea those single foot double pass pedals are weird. i dont have the rythym to use one heh, then again im not a drummer

9/24/2007 9:48:35 AM

yea, i figured it was just to get a fuller sound and whatnot.
i just didnt quite understand the need. the drummers from it dies today and haste the day were much better sounding and more technical and they didnt need it lol

9/24/2007 12:18:53 PM

yea he doesnt need it at all. you dont even NEED 2 kick drums to do what he does

9/24/2007 12:41:34 PM

This kinda setup also helps a guy like Portnoy to invite guest drummers and play on a single drum kit.
Like this one, Mike Portnoy and Scot Rockenfieldhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=-sZ4R32gx_M

9/24/2007 1:22:56 PM

i just have to lol at those pictures.

completely unnessesary.

theres nothing on that ridiculous set that i cant do on my kit right now, or want to do

9/24/2007 1:30:46 PM

^^ well yea someone like portnoy utilizes that whole set, but the drummer from atreyu certainly doesnt/would not heh

9/24/2007 1:37:17 PM

^^ and ^ So does Bozzio--he's fucking amazing. And I am a drummer with about thirty years' experience.

Trust me, the answers that I listed are the correct ones, and I didn't get them from some Web site. I simply know from my experience over the years.

And concerning the images above, I posted them (1) so that others could see larger drum kits with three or more bass drums (and other percussion instruments), and (2) so that the kits could be seen up close. In addition, I realize that these kits may look over the top to many, but when you have the limb independence of a Portnoy or a Bozzio, you can make fantastic use of all those wonderful sounds. I know that Bozzio, for example, does a lot of polyrhythms.

9/25/2007 12:26:39 AM

I think it's got something to do with overcompensation for sucking.

9/25/2007 12:38:28 AM

^^ not saying you are wrong, its just completely ridiculously unneccessary. i'd rather watch an amazing drummer on a small kit than an insanely huge one.

9/25/2007 12:39:13 PM

it goes both ways tho, id never use a drummer for CTA with a set smaller than a certain number of drums/cymbols too tho (not insanely large but a bare minimum for what we want to play). A lot of drummers use barebone kits which is ok for certain types of music but not all.

9/25/2007 12:45:43 PM

^^ and ^ Yeah, it just depends on the drummer's style, ability, the genre of music, and even the size of the venue.

9/25/2007 1:43:26 PM

Occasionally I'll take my kit down to a very basic four piece with two crashes, hi-hats, and a ride. I've found that I'm more creative and I tend to learn new things that I can translate to the bigger set later.

9/25/2007 1:52:16 PM

^ It worked for Bonham--and a lot of jazz drummers produce phenomenal riffs with such a kit or even less.

9/25/2007 2:00:30 PM

It definitely helps me. It really forces you to be creative if you want to make it sound good. I learned so much about flams, rudiments, all the different ways to play the cymbals, playing the rims, etc. this way. Not to mention you can pull everything in really close so it makes accurate timing a little easier when you're trying to play very fast.

9/25/2007 2:30:58 PM

the only correct answer to this thread is

emo faggotry

9/25/2007 4:14:52 PM

atreyu is one of those bands that got lucky they were already semi established when the new 'metalcore' scene was blowing up 6-7 years ago. Labels like victory etc saw the trend and quickly signed tons of bands hoping some of them would get huge. If they had emerged now i think a ton of people would shrug them off because theyve never been anything special...then again the amount of generic metal/hardcore acts is huge anyways so who knows.

9/25/2007 5:06:00 PM

BTW, what is the fascination of some young people with the movie that apparently inspired Atreyu's name?

9/26/2007 2:52:02 PM

because the movies were big when we were kids. i LOVED them back then

9/26/2007 2:57:09 PM

shit. 2/3 of the kids who listen to Atreyu weren't even alive when that movie was out. If that's an extreme figure, a safer bet would be that probably 60% were even 2-3 years old.

9/26/2007 3:13:13 PM

i watched the movie when i as 6

9/26/2007 7:00:07 PM

I was grown--and wondering why the hell that kid was flying on a giant dog.

[Edited on September 26, 2007 at 8:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/26/2007 8:10:03 PM

you can tell a big difference in the reverberation of one drum being hit by a double bass pedal vs two drums being played independently - it sounds better. i dont recall what atreyus drummers kit looks like but im sure calledtoarms had it right when he said something about a different sound. as for the single pedal with two mallets, i wouldnt waste my money - most decent drummers can play a single mallet pedal as fast or faster and more efficiently than someone on one of the double mallet pedals.

9/27/2007 12:46:28 PM

^ They're called beaters--not mallets. And your position that "most decent drummers can play a single mallet pedal as fast or faster and more efficiently than someone on one of the double mallet pedals" is ridiculous.

And no less than Tommy Aldridge said this about double-bass versus single-bass playing:

Quote :

"There comes a point at which you can just do more on two pedals than you can on one. If that were not the case, drumsticks would come only one to a pair."

You are correct about the sound of two bass drums; however, the word resonance is applicable here--not "reverberation," which relates more to echo. In any event, in a straight double-bass pattern with a double pedal, for example, the second beater will strike the drum head and choke the sound of the first beater's stroke. With two bass drums, the time between beater strokes is longer, so the head resonates longer.

9/28/2007 1:36:37 AM

There does come a point (ie - 32nd notes upward) that you cannot play with one foot. And I guess if you wanted to do that, you'd need more than one.

But it is true that typically, most two-footed bass players use multi bass drums for visual effect and because they simply aren't quick enough with one foot. Hell, I can play the needless sixteenth note patterns I hear in most of my brother's emo/punk music with one foot. It's 'cause I'm better.

Moreover, you'd be very hard pressed to find a drummer today that could hang with old school gods like like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa, who only needed a kick, snare, tom, hi hat, and ride to get the job done. Closest I can think of is Max Weinberg.

9/28/2007 10:28:43 AM

^yea. If youre listening to a lot of metal, you just cant go that fast with one pedal. However you CAN with one bass drum and TWO kick pedals. However each note sounds clearer when you are playing that fast to use 2 separate bass drums.

The majority of bands do not do that thought 1 because of the cost of buying another good bass drum, but more importantly the space it consumes in your trailer/van etc.

So for the most part when i see people with 2 bass drums (through the eyes of the dead, between the buried and me), theyre using it for double bass parts that are impossible to play with one fit on a single kick pedal. It could however be done on one drum with 2 pedals but theyve chosen the route for better sound clarity

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ]

9/28/2007 11:47:17 AM

^ It's also that two bass drums make positioning your mounted toms, hi-hat, and cymbal stands a bit more difficult with most standard hardware--especially if you have larger bass drums (24" and up). But there is all sorts of specialty hardware available these days to accommodate just about any kit configuration.

Speaking of specialty equipment, check out this new Catapult pedal from Gibraltar:

http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/pics/news/GIB_Catapultnn.jpg

I haven't played one, but it's wild looking. I'd try it but I know I'd miss the Accelerator action from the DW 5000 Series pedals that I prefer.

PS: I forgot to mention the tuning issue. Obviously, one bass drum is easier to tune than two.

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 11:00 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2007 10:58:25 PM

^ Meant to do image.

10/3/2007 1:17:59 AM

what is that thing? looks like a knockoff of Axis pedals, which are garbage btw.

i play my same old falling apart gibraltar double pedal....i play dw5000 strap drive every now and then tho. such a smooth glide. i think i like strap drive > chain drive

10/5/2007 6:34:05 PM

^ Yeah, it is smooth. But the strap drives have always felt a little slow to me--it's obviously a personal choice matter, though.

I prefer the DW Turbo. It's plenty fast and solid for me. I do, however, modify the pedal a bit: I add dice head beaters from Pro-Mark that I bought about fifteen years ago--I don't think they make them anymore. The beaters are not just cool looking; they are small, fast, and solid.

I also add high-tension springs to the pedal (you can special order them from DW and probably other companies, too). This gives me quicker bounce back.

BTW, I had an early model Axis double pedal and I took it back to 2112 within a couple of days! Back then, the rod from the universal assembly wasn't even a hex shaft--it was round! The connector kept slipping and you couldn't tighten the lug enough for it to hold. It was a piece of shit.

10/7/2007 7:36:57 AM

I played a Girbraltar Intuder II from 1997 to 2004. Then I bought one of those Pearl double pedals with the interchangeable cams just because it was on sale and I wanted to try it out. It's holding up well so far.

10/8/2007 2:05:59 PM