I love these guys.

9/24/2007 11:19:34 AM

DAMN THAT BLASTED CORIOLIS EFFECT

9/24/2007 11:21:58 AM

Welcome to the future past!

9/24/2007 11:26:20 AM

it's bullshit really. another way for them to make 50 bucks where it should come standard, even if a late addition for new buyers.

F U Sony.

9/24/2007 11:30:23 AM

I don't know why they felt the need to add motion anyway (well, actually I do, because they attempt to copy everything from the competition), It should be either motion controlled, like the wii, or thumb/finger controlled, like most controllers.

9/24/2007 11:58:09 AM

I think the motion sensing has its place, but they always try to shoehorn it into every game which is lame.

For example, making freethrows in NBA games is pretty cool. Also piloting your ship in Warhawk with the Sixaxis frees up the left stick for the aiming reticule, which makes you pretty much invincible if you can get the hang of it.

but yea, not having rumble from the jump was a complete crock.

9/24/2007 12:25:27 PM

i never really cared for rumble, but i guess i'd rather have it than not have it given the choice

9/24/2007 12:52:31 PM

agree

9/24/2007 12:54:31 PM

just wish they'd put both in and stop lying about shit, they spin way too much this generation and as a consumer its frustrating. There are uses for both. i like for example the way folklore uses the sixxaxis controls to yank souls out of enemies...but i also like the subtlety of rumble...i notice it regularly on 360 or wii. It's good to alert you, low health, explosions, feedback.

9/24/2007 1:17:33 PM

I thought the Immersion lawsuit was common knowledge these days. How do you expect them not to spin that? What did you want them to say at the press conference?

"Yeah, sorry guys, we would have liked to have rumble sooner but our asses got sent to court over it".

They are a massive multinational conglomerate, they operate more like a state government than a company, and just like politicians they tell lies to try and make themselves look better. Get over it.

9/24/2007 1:23:54 PM

Shrike, I think Sony needs to hire you to be their ultimate internet defender. You rationalize every move Sony makes like you are their personal e-strike force. It's a big ass company that could give two shits about you.

Saying 'get over it' to consumers because of Sony's own dirty laundry is just pure asinine. Yeah, this is about rumble so its not a big deal, but that's the thread. You deal with it if you don't like it. Like I don't have a right to say, "ahh that's just balls", well what, becuase I should sympathize with Sony's legal issues? Fuck that, no. You make a fair point about 'how should they spin it', I guess i dont know, but they'v spun themselves so much that they are seen as a freaking PR joke by now and the industry. And that's a fact.

Personally I just think you can't stand to see anything negative about Sony hit the woodwork at all. You are that damn loyal. You are that 'internet stormtrooper' And it aint b/c youv'e had some exhilarating console experience. I've certainly trumped and defended the 360 but when there have been legitimate beefs, I can at least admit them (like the RROD /failures). It just makes you look like one of the bigger fanbois around which is a shame b/c you are pretty knowledgeable about gaming as a whole.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:41 PM. Reason : dsf]

9/24/2007 1:39:07 PM

you know what else is bullshit?

someone making a next gen console without a standard hard drive. or a standard HDMI out port...then they add it later and make people pay more money to get shit that should have been there in the first place

don't throw stones when you live in a glass house

9/24/2007 1:47:54 PM

Wow dude, seriously, WOW. Look, just because I'm not bothered by shit I can't control doesn't make me a fanboy. Everyone else (including you) act as if Sony has inflicted some personal injury upon them. I get it, it's the "in" thing these days to bash Sony. People talk themselves out of making $600 purchases, that's fine. It doesn't make me, or anyone else, a fanboy for not conforming to that trend and calling people out when spout irrational garbage like that^^. I have nothing for or against Sony, and everything I said could be applied to Microsoft's spin (Peter Moore - "Y'know, things break.."). It just doesn't bother me, and I don't understand why it should bother anyone else. If being a reasonable voice in a theater filled with a bunch mindless drones towing the line makes me a fanboy, than fine, I'm a fanboy

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : :]

9/24/2007 1:49:17 PM

damn them for giving us low cost options

Between that and the coriolus effect my day is RUINED

9/24/2007 1:49:29 PM

haha

9/24/2007 2:01:52 PM

right - the low cost options that are now being phased out...you know, by games that require people to have a HDD. so those who bought a core system are going to have to shell out $$$ for the overpriced 360 HDD if they want to play them.

9/24/2007 2:05:02 PM

The difference between the base and 20gig version was $100.

The 20gig HD is $100.

What exactly are they having to "shell out" again? Are you arguing that 20gigs of HD isn't worth $100? *coughPS3cough*

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 2:12 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2007 2:08:37 PM

"someone making a next gen console without a standard hard drive. or a standard HDMI out port...then they add it later and make people pay more money to get shit that should have been there in the first place"


What? No hard drive was an option you could opt off the cost to get (core model)? For the 400$ model it had one. And HDMI yes was not a part but that's part of the $200 price break to have over sony's console, and MS never baited and switched. They just upgraded their manuf process, added things in, and bundled it in and offering more at no extra price. That's a glass house?

Not seeing the parallel here. The logic is flawed.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 2:12 PM. Reason : and lax, that's their stupid fault for being cheap. i mean, what?]

9/24/2007 2:10:57 PM

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"you know, by games that require people to have a HDD."

Name one. Name a single game on the market today, almost two years after the initial console release that requires a hard drive.

Go ahead.

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"make people pay more money to get shit that should have been there in the first place"

Oh, you mean like an HDMI cable?

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2007 2:27:55 PM

MS gave the bait and switch to core buyers...no HDD because it's not needed...the HDD is only for extra content, videos, etc they said when the 360 was launched...a core user will be fine with just a memory card for saved games they said

now you have publishers making games for the 360 that require a HDD - so they have to spend as much as they would have for the non-core just to get a HDD (remember the 100 difference also included wireless controllers)

so microsoft offers people who can't afford the whole shebang to buy into and still get a next gen console...but suprise - a year and a half later, you have to upgrade to keep up

all I'm saying is don't rip sony for introducting something that should have been there from the start when microsoft is doing the same damn thing

9/24/2007 2:33:02 PM

that argument is weak man. I'm still not seeing how core users (all 10 of them) were duped, or fed misinformation. Hell, they had problems even selling the core unit, so that's a sloppy way to be aggressive and ugly in the market place. I mean, hell, that SKU was just give the cheap people an alternative around the popular launch time.

Not so sure you can even find a core nowadays.

Anyway, done with the console wars, it's make me feel like a fanboy myself and I'm not, honestly. So let's just call a truce. You can love your sony and I can love my xbox. And since i have a ps3 i'm actually rooting for your camp because I'd like to have a game worth my attention. Right now it makes a killer dvd player so i dont mind. best one i ever had actually, i'm not being sarcastic in that point.

9/24/2007 2:37:41 PM

one, I will buy a 360 the day I am confident I'm not spending $400 on a ticking timebomb...i refuse to spend money on something that will most likely break...i don't care if they pay for the shit to get fixed. i want to buy it when they've finally fixed everything hardware related.

two, the games aren't out yet, but will be...there is even a "HDD required" sticker...do a google search and you'll find plenty of info...first one will most likely be a MMO

three, it's estimated 20% of 360's are core

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 2:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2007 2:41:52 PM

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"two, the games aren't out yet, but will be...there is even a "HDD required" sticker...do a google search and you'll find plenty of info...first one will most likely be a MMO"

Oh, so you're citing a problem that doesn't exist yet. Gotcha.

And Kainen, you shouldn't feel like a fanboy for pointing out obvious flaws with something. Pointing out the lack of rumble in the initial Sixaxis controllers only to release one with rumble less than a year later and further rip off the already tiny PS3 customer base isn't fanboyism, it's proper criticism.

The only fanboys here are those who feel they need to justify spending too much money on a console and can't accept it's inadequecies because of it.

9/24/2007 2:49:24 PM

Like I said, I could give two shits about Sony, Nintendo, MS or whatever. I use platforms from all the 3 companies (yes, Windows is in fact, a platform), and I'll buy whatever I feel fits my needs the best. I'm certainly not going to try to convince anyone to buy anything, nor will I berate them for purchases they've made.

The only reason I take the time out of my extremely (not at all) busy day to post in these threads is because otherwise it would be nothing but a bunch of you kids going "lol yeah, Sony sucks" and e-slapping each other on the back. Dissenting opinions is what makes posting on forums fun, and that's what I'm providing.

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"The only fanboys here are those who feel they need to justify spending too much money on a console and can't accept it's inadequecies because of it."

Or maybe, just maybe, there exists such a thing as an informed buyer. Said buyer was totally aware of a given console's inadequacies, and came to the conclusion that the positives out weighed the negatives. Honestly, you people act like anyone who's financially capable of spending $600 on game console, went and did so without knowing exactly what they were getting into. We appreciate the advise, really we do, but you're not telling us anything we didn't already know, and already decided we didn't care about.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 2:54 PM. Reason : :]

9/24/2007 2:49:25 PM

You guys are such fucking idiots:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=490610

9/24/2007 3:57:26 PM

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"The Wii is a fad, HD is the future, and the public will eventually come around."

-Shrike

haha

9/24/2007 3:59:52 PM

^and what do you know, since I've said, the Wii's sales have dropped from 80k a month to 20k a month in Japan, and the 360 is on the verge of passing up the Wii in monthly sales in the US. Enjoy your Gamecube 1.5!

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/09/24/is-wii-really-gamecube-one-point-five-yes-says-beyond3d.aspx

9/24/2007 4:07:58 PM

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"and the 360 is on the verge of passing up the Wii in monthly sales in the US."

I can't for the life of me imagine why that is happening as we approach the end of September.

9/24/2007 4:27:14 PM

The PS controller is so uncomfortable. Fuck rumble, give me a new design that's not made for baby sized hands and a joystick where the D-pad is.

9/24/2007 4:33:04 PM

do you remember the first gen dual shocks for ps1?

i miss the bigass handles

9/24/2007 4:43:16 PM

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"The PS controller is so uncomfortable."

Agreed. Didn't know it was so "next gen" to keep a design that was introduced midway into the PS1's life cycle.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ...]

9/24/2007 4:47:55 PM

9/24/2007 6:03:12 PM

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"I can't for the life of me imagine why that is happening as we approach the end of September. "

They arnt having any really hyped game releases soon are they?

LocoRoco Port?

9/24/2007 6:18:40 PM

Viva Pinata Demo is my guess.

I'm waiting for it to download right now. As a side note though, this orange Mountain Dew is killer.

9/24/2007 6:22:11 PM

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"Name one. Name a single game on the market today, almost two years after the initial console release that requires a hard drive."

FFXI i hear was the only game thus far to require one (not to mention an additional online fee). either way, i dont see the problem having a few games that do require the hdd. you can still play 90% of the lineup without it, but the developers couldnt have otherwise made the game they wanted to make. you want the biggests/fanciest games, you gotta eventually pay the price. still get some great ones without it though.

9/24/2007 7:09:33 PM

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"MS gave the bait and switch to core buyers...no HDD because it's not needed...the HDD is only for extra content, videos, etc they said when the 360 was launched...a core user will be fine with just a memory card for saved games they said now you have publishers making games for the 360 that require a HDD - so they have to spend as much as they would have for the non-core just to get a HDD (remember the 100 difference also included wireless controllers) "

No they didn't. You are a fucking simpleton if you even claim they did.

I bought a core system. Because I didn't need or want the HDD to begin with, and the upgrade path was THE SAME PRICE. I didn't care to pay 50 bucks more on top of that for a wireless controller, component cable and media remote. I got the vga cable separately and I quite enjoy having a controller that I dont have to plop batteries into every couple of months.

No to mention I got the HDD ON SALE, the VGA cable ON SALE, and picked up a 2nd wireless controller from a friend for cheap. Meaning I ended up with a better system than the premium for less money.

Also, I bought my system the month they came out. Never had a single problem with it.

And arguing the "OMG it should have had HDMI" is like arguing about putting 3g in the iPhone. They had legitimate reasons (time to market, validation, hardware cost) to avoid it in Gen1. Sony on the other hand didn't put it in because they wanted to try and intimidate the license holder.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 8:25 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2007 8:24:15 PM

HEY LOOK, ANOTHER CONSOLE WARS THREAD

is nobody on this board capable of disagreeing while NOT acting like a complete idiot?

9/25/2007 12:13:53 PM

I always hated force-feedback. The only time I really noticed it was when I was sitting, watching a nice FMV after killing some huge boss, and all of a sudden the controller, which I had placed on my coffee table, would start vibrating uncontrollably.

9/25/2007 1:22:25 PM

For the record, each and every game allows the option to turn rumble off if you don't like it. Very few don't, but I know there's some of you oddballs out there.

[Edited on September 25, 2007 at 3:42 PM. Reason : withdrawing from consolewarz d00d]

9/25/2007 3:42:05 PM

i wonder if they'll make a rumbly Frag FX now

9/25/2007 5:03:07 PM