I am not fan of McDonalds but once again frivolous tort lawsuits strike again. $6.1 million is fucking ridiculous.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/05/strip.search.ap/index.html

thoughts??

I guess next time I visit Talley and hear one of the pay phones ring i'll pick it up. Then when the voice tells me to hit up the 4th floor and jump off the roof, I will do it then sue NCSU for $texas b.c NCSU did not tell me prank callers were calling up telling people to jump off the roof.



[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 5:27 PM. Reason : l]

10/5/2007 5:24:58 PM

i swear i hate this country so fucking much......and it's only because i love it so fucking much that i could hate it as much as i do

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 5:43 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2007 5:36:58 PM

John Edwards is smiling

10/5/2007 5:37:42 PM

yeah he probably is. This whore probably takes her clothes off for every guy she meets at the bar anyway

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 5:42 PM. Reason : l]

10/5/2007 5:42:11 PM

tort reform anyone


i wish i was a moron and could get money

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 5:43 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2007 5:43:26 PM

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"I guess next time I visit Talley and hear one of the pay phones ring i'll pick it up. Then when the voice tells me to hit up the 4th floor and jump off the roof, I will do it then sue NCSU for $texas b.c NCSU did not tell me prank callers were calling up telling people to jump off the roof. "

you'd probably win too

10/5/2007 5:45:09 PM

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"Ogborn had been seeking $200 million. "

OMFG I was so humiliated pay me 200,000,000 right now!

10/5/2007 5:52:32 PM

I just don't understand who votes on this crap. Do they drug up the jurors on LSD or something.

10/5/2007 6:05:34 PM

no, the jurors see a large, faceless corporation and figure they can afford to pay this "poor little girl". its fucking ridiculous. especially when people sue things like a city govt. etc when the stupid jurors don't realize that the money they are giving these people is coming from them via taxes. the majority of people are just stupid i guess is the point i'm trying to make.

and i'm sure mcdonalds will appeal, if this girl every does get this money it won't be for several years, drag it out as long as possible. hopefully and appelate court will tell this girl that she's an idiot that needs to be sterilized so she can't pass on this stupidity.

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 6:52 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2007 6:50:49 PM

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"i swear i hate this country so fucking much......and it's only because i love it so fucking much that i could hate it as much as i do"

FTW

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"John Edwards is smiling"

gg

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"Ogborn had been seeking $200 million."

Sweet fucking jeezus.

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"Ogborn was forced to undress, endure a strip search, and to perform sexual acts, the lawsuit said. The events were captured on surveillance video, which was shown to jurors during the trial."

Shouldn't this be a clue that this is no longer a legitimate police investigation?

I mean, don't get me wrong this is horribly fucked up and the responsible parties should pay, but this is asinine.

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 7:39 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2007 7:18:33 PM

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"hopefully and appelate court will tell this girl that she's an idiot that needs to be sterilized so she can't pass on this stupidity."

so she's stupid because she sued a company which allowed one of their employees to be sexually abused and then she won the lawsuit? riiight.

10/5/2007 7:37:17 PM

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"so she's stupid because she sued a company which allowed one of their employees to be sexually abused and then she won the lawsuit? riiight."

10/5/2007 7:44:21 PM

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"the caller who already struck other McDonald's stores and other fast-food restaurants across the country"

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"A former assistant manager, Donna Summers, was placed on probation for a misdemeanor conviction in relation to the incident. Her former fiance, Walter Nix Jr., is serving five years in prison for sexually abusing Ogborn during the 3½-hour search. A Florida man, David Stewart, was charged with making the hoax phone call but acquitted last summer. Police have said the calls stopped after Stewart's arrest "

so how long had these calls been hitting fast food restaurants around the country? and what was happening each time? did the caller in florida have a gang of sexual predators working for him at fast food restaurants across the country? or were they just prank calls that never amounted to anything? all it seems to say is the caller "already struck" other fast food restaurants across the country

also if she had been shot and killed in a robbery at mcdonald's and the manager had been in on the robbery, should her family be able to sue mcdonald's for "allowing" one of their employees to be killed?

10/5/2007 7:55:48 PM

people should be able to sue for whatever for they'd like. it should be up to the judges/juries to decide what cases are worthy of trial and if found guilty, what sort of award should be given. broad-stroke limits on courts invariably have unintended negative consequences.

and just a sidenote: should the duke rape case kids be able to sue for $30 million dollars or is that an abuse?

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 8:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2007 8:01:17 PM

i'd still like to know some more details about the background of the series of incidents...obviously they have a 3.5 hour sexual assault on tape and the guy is serving 5 years...but i'd like to know more details about what happened across the country at other restaurants, if the same people were responsible, etc...clearly the fact that the assistant manager, an employee of mcdonalds, was involved mcdonald's has some type of liability...but the way the story explains stores being "struck" all across the country is unclear

^i think the duke lacrosse students should definitely be able to sue the university, but i think they were a lot more at fault than mcdonalds...what i specifically mean is that i dont think McDonald's Inc. knowingly hired a sexual predator or whatever you want to call the assistant manager, even if they're liable...but Duke did choose to suspend them and there certainly wast a videotape of the rape...also they should be able to sue nifong that money since he seemed to be the most responsible in dragging out a relatively open-and-shut case (witholding DNA evidence, among other things)...but the culprit doesnt always pay their fair share

course it sounds like the mcdonalds case was handled properly through the legal channels to some extent early on...no evidence of a politically motivated district attorney with an upcoming election

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2007 8:04:07 PM

clearly it's the girl's fault for being raped by a predator dressed up like cop.







you fucking assholes.

10/5/2007 8:19:56 PM

clearly not. but i'm also curious as to what McDonald's knew and what they should/were supposed to do about it

10/5/2007 8:25:59 PM

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"so she's stupid because she sued a company which allowed one of their employees to be sexually abused and then she won the lawsuit? riiight."

McDonalds the company had nothing to do about it. it was a dumb woman and her boyfriend and an equally stupid girl

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"clearly it's the girl's fault for being raped by a predator dressed up like cop. "

do you even know anything about this story? there was no predator dressed up as a cop. it was a prank caller on the phone telling her and the manager and her boyfriend to do this shit. if i called you on the phone right now and told you to do this would you? NO, because i'm assuming you aren't a fucking idiot.


I worked at McDs for six fucking years, if anybody had called my store I and EVERY single one of our employees would have laughed at them and hung up the damn phone.

10/5/2007 8:37:41 PM

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"i swear i hate this country so fucking much......and it's only because i love it so fucking much that i could hate it as much as i do"

I feel that

well put

but my hatred for McDonalds is deeper that Paris Hilton's cooch

so in this suit, schadenfreude >= justice

10/5/2007 9:01:32 PM

the point is what the heck does this have anything to do with mcdonalds, this could've happened anywhere cause stupidity goes wherever this woman goes

10/5/2007 10:17:23 PM

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"t was a prank caller on the phone telling her and the manager and her boyfriend to do this shit."

hmm. i seem to have been mixing that detail up with something else.

but still.

the McDonalds *manager* was aiding and abetting in this crime against her employee, and this sort of thing had happened to a number of McD's across the nation.

McDonalds has some responsiblity to alert their managers to this sort of thing, and do a minimum to ensure that it wasnt allowed to go on unchecked.

Yeah, the gal is naive, to put it nicely, but i can see how this might happen to someone who had lived a sheltered rural lifestyle, then all of a sudden be threatened with arrest and loss of employment, no matter how ludicrous it sounds to you and me.

in any event, McD's is liable for the protection and safety of their employees, especially against from attacks by their manager (whether it was direct, or by proxy)... and ESPECIALLY from a known attack that had been attempted a number of times at a number of franchise locations in the recent past. That this was able to happen is criminal on the parts of the perpetrators, and NEGLIGENT on the part of McDonalds Corp.

I dont care if that gal is a country hick straight off the farm with an IQ of 80 and a 6th grade education .... is rape and abuse, and the resulting shame and inevitable social ostracizing brought to her and her family from the community, worth $6M?

yeah, i think so.






[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 10:27 PM. Reason : ]

10/5/2007 10:21:26 PM

she's smiling because she knows she is about to get paid for a bullshit thing. besides, looks to me like that's probably the first time anyone has every asked her to get naked without being so drunk he was pissing Budweiser...

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"Ogborn was forced to undress, endure a strip search, and to perform sexual acts, the lawsuit said."

OK, I can aaaaaaalmost see the undressing and the strip search. But I sure as hell would draw the line at performing sexual acts if I hadn't drawn the line earlier. If I were on the jury, I would have busted out laughing the moment she said that. I mean, shouldn't sheer stupidity invalidate someone's claims at some point? How can you honestly say that someone did something wrong when you can't even tell AT THE FUCKING TIME that it was absolute bullshit?

"OK, young lady, we've had a complaint that you stole some money from a customer. We're going to need you to take off all your clothes and suck my dick, ok? Thanks..."

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"A former assistant manager, Donna Summers, was placed on probation for a misdemeanor conviction in relation to the incident. Her former fiance, Walter Nix Jr., is serving five years in prison for sexually abusing Ogborn during the 3½-hour search."

So, why is she suing McDonald's for the actions of her own fucking fiance? really. It's pretty fucking obvious that she sued McD's because it had money and her white trash boyfriend didn't.

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"hopefully and appelate court will tell this girl that she's an idiot that needs to be sterilized so she can't pass on this stupidity."

actually, i might be willing to let her have to money if she would get sterilized. stupidity like that shouldn't be passed on...

10/5/2007 11:22:46 PM

^i bet she was asking for it, too right?

10/5/2007 11:35:21 PM

Every morning I hope that I have to deal with some minor inconvenience that ultimately means that I never have to work another day in my life.

10/5/2007 11:37:51 PM

^^ so, you think it is asking too much to expect the average American to know that performing sexual acts is not a valid response to a customer complaint of robbery?

10/5/2007 11:44:35 PM

you do realize that HER FUCKING BOSS was the one doing this.

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 11:50 PM. Reason : well part of it at least]

10/5/2007 11:48:47 PM

correction though, it wasn't the girls fiance, it was the former managers. still, all three of them are incredibly stupid.

10/5/2007 11:49:15 PM

^^ So, if your boss told you to suck his dick because someone claimed that you stole some money, would you do it?

10/5/2007 11:52:27 PM

whether i did or not, the boss would have committed a crime.

10/5/2007 11:53:29 PM

i can come up to you and tell you to suck my dick all i want, thats not a crime. if i took a knife to your throat then it would be. but guess what, i don't see any fucking knife in this guys hand. he tells the girl to suck his dick and she complies because she's an idiot. is the guy an asshole? hell yeah, but it never looks like he threatens any type of physical harm to the girl

10/6/2007 12:03:13 AM

and mcd's fired him. what more do you want? do you REALLY think that McD's should go up to all of its managers and say "Hey, there's a guy calling around, telling McD's managers to make their employees suck the manager's dick. It's a hoax. McD's does not endorse the forcing of employees to suck the manager's dick. Oh, and put a little more salt on the fries."

The fact is, this manager was a dickface. And McD's fired him. Even if McD's had said to him "Hey, don't ask employees to suck your dick" (which they more than likely did anyway through sexual harassment awareness training, btw), it's likely that this asshat would have still been a douche and done this.

You could make a case that McD's should hire better managers, and I can't disagree with that. However, hiring procedures are not perfect, and bad apples slip through. I don't really think you can make a personality questionaire that says "Do you think it's OK to ask employees to suck your dick in response to allegations of theft? Yes/No" Really, that's asking too much. McD's fired the guy, and that is the appropriate response. Now, if the manager had a history of sexual misconduct in the workplace at McD's, that would be different. it would also be a different story if multiple managers had asked their employees to suck their dicks (or whatever the "performed sexual act" was) in response to this hoax. But expecting McD's to contact all of their managers and say "this is a hoax" is pretty stupid. A Manager of a fast food restaurant should be able to tell that it's a hoax, and if not, he should be fired. And that's what McD's did.

End of story.



But, if you really want to get picky, then I would counter with the fact that McD's restaurants are not generally owned by the McD's corporation. Thus, a particular location's hiring practices and managerial oversight is not something that the corporation can be reasonably expected to control. Thus, McD's shouldn't be held liable in this case; rather, the owner of the individual franchise should be, in addition to the idiot manager. Buuuuuuuuuut, who is the dumb bitch suing? Oh, right, the people with all the money... Open. Shut. Case. Except in America, where responsibility and common sense are now crimes.

10/6/2007 12:03:43 AM

This girl deserves every penny.

McDonald's should have warned all employees of this risk. But it didn't. The thing is they're so on top of all the shit that their handbook is this hyperdetailed guide that it is to be used at all times. Every situation is included in the book, and employees have to follow it to the tee or risk losing their jobs. They eventually become machines...so when some real, crazy ass shit goes down, they don't know what to do.

And I don't know if this is the same incident...but that girl had a broom inserted in her...6.1M sounds about right.

This corporation has no face. There are rules for absolutely everything. Their employees don't know why they do what they do. If they have a question about their jobs, they ask the person who asks the person above them who asks the person above them, and if that person thinks the question is legitimate, it will appear in the next handbook. Shit like what happened to this girl happen at these institutions for a reason...because McDonald's employees are vulnerable to this shit. McDonald's should be prepared to face the fucking consequences when their business model doesn't work out like planned.

[Edited on October 6, 2007 at 12:13 AM. Reason : no quotes]

10/6/2007 12:07:19 AM

^^you didn't read the article, did you?

[Edited on October 6, 2007 at 12:10 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/6/2007 12:10:44 AM

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"McDonald's should have warned all employees of this risk. But it didn't."

Really? McD's should tell their employees that the insertion of a broomstick into their body cavities is not the proper protocol for investigating a complaint of theft? Please, respond to my previous posts in here before you say anything else. Otherwise you just look stupid.

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"The thing is they're so on top of all the shit that their handbook is this hyperdetailed guide that it is to be used at all times. Every situation is included in the book, and employees have to follow it to the tee or risk losing their jobs. They eventually become machines...so when some real, crazy ass shit goes down, they don't know what to do."

The irony here is that all this incident will do is cause McD's to put yet another line into its "hyperdetailed guide." If McD's were able to say "Hey, dipshit, use your fucking brain and don't do stupid shit," then, by your logic, this event could have been prevented. Of course, all of this assumes that McD's has any level of control over the hiring practices of individual franchises, which it doesn't. The best it can do is put out those manuals, which franchise owners buy. And I am SURE those manuals cover sexual harassment in the workplace, and I am fairly certain that one should reasonably take from those manuals that inserting a broomstick into the orifice of a female employee at the behest of an anonymous caller is NOT appropriate.

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"Shit like what happened to this girl happen at these institutions for a reason...because McDonald's employees are vulnerable to this shit."

So, because the people who work at McD's are generally stupid and can't get a better job due to their stupidity, McD's should be held accountable for their employees' innate stupidity, something over which McD's has no control? That makes absofuckinglytely no sense. Seems to me that the only logical response on McD's part is just not to hire stupid people anymore in any position not just managerial ones, that way they don't get screwed over by the helplessness of their own employees.

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"McDonald's employees should be prepared to face the fucking consequenceslaugh their fucking heads off when their store receives anonymous calls from people saying to stick a broomstick up a girl's vaginabusiness model doesn't work out like planned."

There, fixed it for you

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"^^you didn't read the article, did you?"

Nope, read the whole thing. Judging by your lack of input in this thread so far, I'm going to bet that you haven't read the article at all. Otherwise, you'd realize that the article NEVER states what happened in any of the other cases where a store received such a ridiculous phone call. More than likely, the manager/employee laughed, hung up the phone, and then told his buddies about the crackpot that just dialed in.

10/6/2007 12:32:47 AM

I think the question asked above is still a valid one: if instead of asking the manager to rape an employee, they instead asked the manager to kill the employee, and then did it. Is McDonalds still liable in your eyes? If not, why not?

I suspect we only know this caller called other McDonalds because this case actually led to crimes sufficient to make public headlines. Suddenly, managers across the country called the press and said "Yea, someone tried that here, I laughed and hung-up. I didn't tell anyone before now because, well, what kind of idiot rapes a girl because someone on the phone asked them to?"

The manager and fiancee should be locked up for far more than five years. But no one else should be punished for the actions of criminals that showed no prior signs of misconduct.

10/6/2007 12:39:39 AM

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"she's smiling because she knows she is about to get paid for a bullshit thing. besides, looks to me like that's probably the first time anyone has every asked her to get naked without being so drunk he was pissing Budweiser..."

I would hit it sober.

[Edited on October 6, 2007 at 1:02 AM. Reason : ]

10/6/2007 1:01:57 AM

what likely happened:

Girl: That's the most fucked up shit that's ever happened to me, I'm calling a lawyer.

Lawyer: You could probably get MILLIONS out of that shit!

Girl: Hell, I'll roll with that.


Can't blame her. I'd have done the same.

If you're gonna hate anyone here, hate the lawyers.

10/6/2007 1:28:43 AM

The girl in that pic looks 12 years old to me, not 21.

This is clearly a case of her going after the deep pockets though. She could have sued the guy in jail, and likely won, but really wouldn't have gotten anything except practically ruining that guy's life (since most of his paycheck would go to her).

Now, she gets 6 million dollars, but the guy's only in jail for 5 years.

10/6/2007 1:31:43 AM

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"I would hit it sober."

specially now that shes a millionaire


oh, and aaronburro, how about you just shut the fuck up okay? see, you've already lost.

it's obvious you havent read the story past the part about $6.1M, and it's got your blood pressure all up -- but the gal is several $ million richer, and you're still a stupid choad.

10/6/2007 1:32:36 AM

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"and just a sidenote: should the duke rape case kids be able to sue for $30 million dollars or is that an abuse?"

I am too lazy to read the rest of the replies. I think $30 million is excessive but I do think the Duke Lax players have 1000x the right for a settlement than the McD's slut.

10/6/2007 2:30:20 AM

i think the Duke LAX guys have the potential for a lot more than 6M

and you should really reconsider the wisdom of referring to rape/sexual assault victims as "sluts"

it makes you look like some kind of frat-house retard.



[Edited on October 6, 2007 at 3:08 AM. Reason : ]

10/6/2007 3:06:59 AM

What really kills me about this is that Summers was awarded $1.1 million despite being convicted of a misdemeanor related to the whole mess:

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"The jury also awarded $1.1 million to Donna Summers, a former McDonald's assistant store manager who also sued the fast-food chain. Summers, who had asked the jury to award her $50 million, led the strip search of Ogborn at the direction of the hoax caller. Summers was placed on probation for a misdemeanor conviction in relation to the incident. Her former fiance, Walter Nix Jr., is serving five years in prison for sexually abusing Ogborn during the hoax call."

(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071006/ap_on_re_us/strip_search_hoax)

Now THAT is just fucking crazy.

I'd love to know more details about this -- was it just amateur hour in the courtroom? How can McDonald's be blamed for a manager strip searching an employee, when such an action isn't rational or reasonable under any circumstances?

10/6/2007 4:51:07 AM

^^^and that's fine. i was just trying to make a point that just screaming "tort reform!" selectively for cases that you don't agree with is pretty short-sighted.

10/6/2007 5:43:02 AM

aaronburro, it's evident that you didn't read the article.

And I have one question for all you geniuses:

How dumb do people have to be to be fooled by this "scam"?

I mean, how fucking stupid does a person need to be that they'll willingly go into a room, remove their clothes, and get sexually assaulted, based on the orders of a prank caller? Really, really, really fucking stupid. In fact, you'd have to be retarded--genuinely, 100 percent re-tar-did. I know some of you like to insult the intelligences of McDonald's employees, and they do have a few people with mental retardation working for them...

So we have to assume that this girl and the other employees are retarded. Not just stupid, but mentally retarded.

But perhaps we should also entertain the idea that there is something about the institution of McDonald's that leaves their employees vulnerable to this kind of con.

Y'all can get all upset about the 6M and how you think these people are stupid. But it's obvious, to me at least, that there was something more than just stupidity at play here. I'm sorry you fools are too kneejerk to see it.

[Edited on October 6, 2007 at 6:51 AM. Reason : ]

10/6/2007 6:43:20 AM

^ i worked at McDs for six years through highschool and undergrad. I'm far from stupid or mentally retarded. and i can attest that any of the employees at the McDs i worked at, or for that matter any of the ones at stores owned by the same franchis owner would have fucking laughed at this and hung up

10/6/2007 6:54:26 AM

^My post is poorly written and hard to understand.

But why don't you give it another shot?

(Hint: It's not about McDonald's employees being stupid.)

10/6/2007 7:11:20 AM

^^ She believes that the work climate at McDonald's is responsible for this; i.e. the employees are locked into a 'McDonald's thought mode' they can't escape.

Some food for thought...

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"The trickster had already duped supervisors in at least 68 different fast food restaurants in 32 states over nearly 10 years, the paper reported. McDonald's was already defending itself against four lawsuits after 17 of its restaurants had been hit. While owners and operators of some McDonald's franchises had been warned, most employees had not heard a thing about it."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hyhmDiuyfl1UUGxxQ6r63_-WeU1Q

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"A female manager at a McDonald's restaurant who strip-searched a male employee at the behest of a caller posing as a police officer may have succumbed to the prank because as the daughter of a Waukesha cop she had a strong trust of law enforcement, officials said Tuesday. But Town of Brookfield Police Chief Calvin Williams said the woman's relationship to an officer doesn't alter the fact that the caller is a criminal and she and the employee are victims."

http://tinyurl.com/2lfgvc

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"Stewart was arrested on Thursday at his home on a warrant from Mount Washington, Ky., Rogers said, where the suspect allegedly made a hoax call to a McDonald's. Police in Kentucky want him on a charge of soliciting for sodomy, a felony. In Panama City, Sgt. Kevin Miller said Stewart is thought to be behind a July 2003 call to a local supermarket that led an assistant manager to force a woman to expose her breasts and genitalia. The store's manager was arrested on charges of lewd and lascivious behavior and false imprisonment, but prosecutors later dropped both counts. [...] At a Taco Bell in Fountain Hills, Ariz., the caller persuaded the manager to strip-search a 17-year-old female customer last March. Calls to Wendy's stores in Massachusetts were traced to Panama City, Rogers said."

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/02/State/Floridian_arrested_in.shtml

Also, this particular McDonald's was owned directly by McDonalds--not a franchise.

McDonald's does have a rule against strip searches in their restaurants.

[Edited on October 6, 2007 at 9:13 AM. Reason : ]

10/6/2007 8:59:03 AM

I remember a thread about this on here back when it happened but I wasn't able to find it. I think this is the story on ABC that was done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqUm-Zk3_Ws

10/6/2007 9:28:18 AM

Man, humans will fall for anything.

We're so conditioned to obey t3h l4w.

10/6/2007 10:38:58 AM

Ok, I have been swayed. McD's deserves to lose; I now know the company had been warned before hand and neglected to notify its managers. Case closed.

BUT THE FUCKING MANAGER GETS $1.1 MILLION!?!? She is profiting off her own criminal activity (strip searching someone against their will is a crime, whether you knew it or not)!!! That $1.1 million, plus everything she owns, should be awarded to the victim in this case.

10/6/2007 11:45:52 AM