do you really think that he is better than beck/evans? you don't trust PROFESSIONAL coaches who's career is coaching to know who is better? there's a reason he hasn't seen the field, trust the coaches...

but even besides that, it does not matter who is the qb at this point, every one of them will look terrible because we dont have one of these:



AN OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!!!!

daniel evans had to run for his life on that last INT and i dont blame him for throwing it up to avoid getting hit for the 6th time in a row

10/7/2007 1:29:32 AM

best thread of the young day.


10/10

10/7/2007 1:31:18 AM

and another example



i really felt like heppe just gave up out there, he let his man to evans like 3 times in a row

10/7/2007 1:34:40 AM

Mike Glennon ftw

10/7/2007 1:37:22 AM

sadly, we only have one OL recruit so far, i think he's 2 stars, cant remember, dont feel like looking it up

10/7/2007 1:43:17 AM

thanks for this thread

i'll pretty tired of people thinking evans is an awful qb without even mentoning the line

anybody would look awful out there with the line we have

10/7/2007 1:49:29 AM

With or without the O-line, Burke is the worst QB we have. He's slow, has poor field awareness, and doesn't have much of an arm compared to [insert almost any other QB here].

10/7/2007 2:18:26 AM

C'mon TWW I know some of you Fat Fucks can walk-on so that we can get 2 secs of protection. Kinda of like the Dallas line back in the day


[Edited on October 7, 2007 at 2:31 AM. Reason : hm]

10/7/2007 2:30:32 AM

sadly, i miss the days of stone/davis

10/7/2007 2:44:06 AM

i don't care if he's better or not, when we're down 21 or more late in the game, put the benchwarmer in. so if/when evans gets hurt, burke won't completely noob all over himself. how many big hits did evans take when the game was already out of hand?

10/7/2007 9:50:25 AM

Quote :

"sadly, we only have one OL recruit so far, i think he's 2 stars,"

1) We have two OL commits
2) the one who's only 2* (meaning basically that he hasn't been rated) was all-state as a junior.
3) stop posting

10/7/2007 10:03:22 AM

We really have no other choice.

I'd rather put in Russell Wilson than Burke.

10/7/2007 10:41:29 AM

Quote :

"Mike Glennon"

If hes the next quarerback we are all hoping for, he needs to redshirt next season...no need for him to get beat up by that o-line which wont be much better than the current one probably.

Of course, Stone/Greco/Davis/Beck/Burke were all the next great quarterback too.

10/7/2007 12:23:55 PM

Quote :

"i'll pretty tired of people thinking evans is an awful qb without even mentoning the line"

evans is awful. even when he has protection he is only capable of throwing timing routes to the primary receiver. Sometimes the plays are drawn up well and he hits an open receiver, but many times he throws balls into coverage on those timing plays which leads to INTs.

He is piss poor just like the rest of our QBs and the entire team for that matter.

10/7/2007 12:32:38 PM

The line was ok yesterday until the 4th quarter. Evans' interceptions were NOT on the O-line. The o-line did ok for 3 quarters. Evans is fucking terrible. If i was blocking for a QB as bad as him, id stop blocking after his 3rd INT as well

10/7/2007 12:40:53 PM

Quote :

"do you really think that he is better than beck/evans? you don't trust PROFESSIONAL coaches who's career is coaching to know who is better? there's a reason he hasn't seen the field, trust the coaches..."

Sure I trust the coaches, but I don't see how he can possibly be any worse than the other two. Lets look at the things that could happen:

1. He stares down a receiver and throw an interception . . . already have that
2. He throws the ball up for grabs and it is intercepted . . . already have that
3. He fumbles the ball away . . . already have that
4. He can't move the chains and we go 3 and out . . . already have that
5. He gets sacked for -10932856916 yds . . . already have that
6. He lets himself get sacked for a safety . . . already have that
7. Somehow with him there the offense gets going.


Sure Evans looks serviceable sometimes. But that is for 1 drive a game . . . then he doesn't do shit. And yes the offensive line sucks and is going to suck no matter who is qb. But there is no way in telling if someone can make something happen in a game without giving them a shot.

The point is if we suck this bad with our two best QB's, then it won't hurt to see if we suck less with a diff QB. It would be hard to suck much worse than we do now.

[Edited on October 7, 2007 at 12:45 PM. Reason : ]

10/7/2007 12:42:48 PM

Quote :

"you don't trust PROFESSIONAL coaches who's career is coaching to know who is better?"

rex grossman?

10/7/2007 12:49:58 PM

Quote :

" Sure Evans looks serviceable sometimes. But that is for 1 drive a game . . . then he doesn't do shit. And yes the offensive line sucks and is going to suck no matter who is qb. But there is no way in telling if someone can make something happen in a game without giving them a shot. The point is if we suck this bad with our two best QB's, then it won't hurt to see if we suck less with a diff QB. It would be hard to suck much worse than we do now. "

Christ, you people are mongoloids, plain and simple. THERE IS A REASON YOU AREN'T AND NEVER WILL BE A COLLEGE DIV 1 FOOTBALL COACH.

How many more times does it need to be said for you people to get it?

Evans got the start at the beginning of the season because he was the better option than Beck.

Beck came in and while some things are better with him, I'd say 5 interceptions a game kinda nullifies all those good things.

There is a reason Burke, the almighty out of high school, was third on the chart, ITS BECAUSE HE IS THE THIRD BEST ON THE TEAM

DO YOU HONESTLY EXPECT A RS FROSHIE

THAT IS THIRD ON THE CHART

TO SUDDENLY BECOME MAGICAL BECAUSE TWO OTHER GUYS SUCKED?

REALLY?

REALLY?

They [the coaches] don't need a damn game to tell them he isn't ready. They don't need a game to confirm what they already know.

So stop whining and complaining and thinking you have all the damn answers. Just fucking chill out.

This season is a wash, it was a wash before it started (HELLO MCFLY, WE WERE PICKED DEAD LAST), because CtChump left the cupboards full of athletes, not 'ball players.

Give it a year or two, and we'll be fine.

But damn. Stop suggesting the ridiculous.

10/7/2007 12:56:07 PM

Quote :

"Christ, you people are mongoloids, plain and simple. THERE IS A REASON YOU AREN'T AND NEVER WILL BE A COLLEGE DIV 1 FOOTBALL COACH."

There sure is . . . I have zero desire to be one

Quote :

"How many more times does it need to be said for you people to get it?"

apparently it needs to be said many times for you since you obviously have zero reading comprehension. I have heard very few people that want Burke because they think he is better. The net result just can't be much of any worse than what we have now, and there is always that minuscule chance that he is better in an game situation. Granted, not likely

Quote :

"Evans got the start at the beginning of the season because he was the better option than Beck."

Sure in practice he was better, but practice =/= game

Quote :

"There is a reason Burke, the almighty out of high school, was third on the chart, ITS BECAUSE HE IS THE THIRD BEST ON THE TEAM"

You are probably correct. Could also be that the coaches don't like him . . . maybe he has a bad work ethic or bad attitude.

Quote :

"DO YOU HONESTLY EXPECT A RS FROSHIE THAT IS THIRD ON THE CHART TO SUDDENLY BECOME MAGICAL BECAUSE TWO OTHER GUYS SUCKED? REALLY? REALLY?"

nope, don't expect him to become magical . . . but does that mean he couldn't be? I don't even expect him to play anything meaningful unless Evans gets hurt in the next game or two (which I would say is pretty possible the way our OL sucks).

Being a RD Freshman that is 3rd on the depth chart isn't a 100% guarantee that he sucks, as has been said with the comparison between Beck and Evans . . . some guys don't practice well, while other guys don't play well in games. I don't think Burke is the next Rivers, and he most likely isn't the QB of the future either . . . but your same arguement could have been used when Rivers was a freshman . . .

"DO YOU HONESTLY EXPECT A TRUE FROSHIE THAT IS SECOND ON THE CHART AND NO ONE ELSE WANTED AS A QB TO SUDDENLY BECOME MAGICAL BECAUSE THE GUY ABOVE HIM SUCKS?"

There is no way to tell 100% how a person will react in a game situation. Its like how some people can know everything then freeze on a test while other people who seemingly don't know anything ace the test.

Sure in practice Burke may be worse fundamentals wise or mental wise, but that doesn't change the fact that his results in an actual game can't possibly be much of any worse than what we have had so far.

Quote :

"So stop whining and complaining and thinking you have all the damn answers. Just fucking chill out."

You are the only one I see whining and complaining that thinks they have all the answers.

Quote :

"This season is a wash, it was a wash before it started (HELLO MCFLY, WE WERE PICKED DEAD LAST), because CtChump left the cupboards full of athletes, not 'ball players."

glad we finally agree on something. So since this season is being given up as a wash, what does it hurt to try him out? What is the worst that can happen . . . he plays like shit and we get our asses handed to us? Oh wait, thats already happening.

10/7/2007 1:22:54 PM

Quote :

"HELLO MCFLY"

LOOOL

10/7/2007 1:29:17 PM

^^whoa there hondaguy, you know tww doesn't respond too well to logic

10/7/2007 1:50:51 PM

I don't want Burke to start.

I want Wilson to start. He has a motor and is an awesome scrambler. That is what we need since we have trouble giving the QB protection.

It is elementary, my dear Watson.

10/7/2007 1:54:37 PM

hah, so you wanna let wilson get hurt? The way our oline collapses, there's no room to scramble.

[Edited on October 7, 2007 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ]

10/7/2007 1:57:36 PM

i can think of a lot of things that are worse than allowing an unproven qb that hopes to be the future of the program getting playing time over some scrubs that never developed during a season that's clearly in the shitter.

10/7/2007 2:09:58 PM

you guys really think burke is the future? granted he hasn't played, but i wouldnt be suprised if he doesnt turn out like greco did for us

10/7/2007 2:43:54 PM

who gives a fuck if he's the future? we just know the guys we've seen aren't. so we want to see someone else.

and wilson is supposed to be mobile, so he could actually have a shot with our shitty line. i think with the bye week we have time to get someone new some reps with the first team and give them a shot at starting.

what do we have to lose? another guy to injury?

10/7/2007 3:08:58 PM

what he said^

10/7/2007 3:09:50 PM

coaches don't always know everything and don't always put the best on the field.


in agreement with others, he can't be that much worse and actually has a chance to have some minutes in the future so why not get the guy some experience. hopefully football jesus comes next year but until then why not evaluate what we have with some real game experience.

10/7/2007 8:25:09 PM

i can't believe you're using john bunting as your example

10/7/2007 8:52:06 PM

Quote :

"do you really think that he is better than beck/evans?"

Is there anyone out there that wants Burke to play because they think he is better that Beck/Evans? I thought the overwhelming majority, if not everyone, that wants to see him play are of the "might as well" mindset.

Quote :

"THERE IS A REASON YOU AREN'T AND NEVER WILL BE A COLLEGE DIV 1 FOOTBALL COACH."

Ha. You'd think someone would actually have to become a D1 football coach before starting to call others out for never being one. In other words... There is a reason you aren't a college div 1 football coach as well.

10/7/2007 11:17:01 PM

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"You'd think someone would actually have to become a D1 football coach before starting to call others out for never being one."

if you are calling someone out b/c they think they know more than the coaching staff, then no, you don't have to be a coach yourself.

10/7/2007 11:23:53 PM

I hope all of you that hated on Jay Davis burn in hell. I defended him and I still will.

We have progressively gotten worse at QB with each move since him.

Davis>Stone>Evans>Beck>Burke

10/7/2007 11:30:21 PM

I agree.

10/8/2007 3:02:29 AM

Burke?!?!!?!?!?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

10/8/2007 3:42:32 AM

Quote :

"I thought the overwhelming majority, if not everyone, that wants to see him play are of the "might as well" mindset. "

/thread

10/8/2007 8:02:38 AM

I'm all for letting Burke start this weekend

10/8/2007 8:16:50 AM

Quote :

"The net result just can't be much of any worse than what we have now, and there is always that minuscule chance that he is better in an game situation. Granted, not likely"

It isn't even minuscule, it's zero. Do you get it, zero. HE IS THE NUMBER THREE GUY, BEHIND A 130 lb QB THAT BARELY BELONGS ON A D1 ROSTER AND A KID THAT LEARNED TO PLAY QB ON MADDEN 98.

And it can always get worse, ALWAYS.

Quote :

" Sure in practice he was better, but practice =/= game"

Man, that's a really strong argument. Hey, this guy isn't good enough in practice, WHERE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FEAR BEING CLOBBERED BY 250 lb MOUNDS OF MUSCLE, I'M SURE IN THE GAME HE'LL STEP RIGHT UP AND BE OUR NEW HERO.

Quote :

"You are probably correct. Could also be that the coaches don't like him . . . maybe he has a bad work ethic or bad attitude. "

You might be forgetting that this isn't the Amato coaching staff where "starters" get all the reps, etc. I seriously doubt a staff that has shown a lot of interest in changing players around trying to find the ones that fit is going to keep the better guy off the field for such a tenuous reason as "they don't like him". Stop grasping for straws, you make no valid arguments.

Quote :

" Being a RD Freshman that is 3rd on the depth chart isn't a 100% guarantee that he sucks, as has been said with the comparison between Beck and Evans . . . some guys don't practice well, while other guys don't play well in games. I don't think Burke is the next Rivers, and he most likely isn't the QB of the future either . . . but your same arguement could have been used when Rivers was a freshman . . ."

Add this to the list of comments that should bar you from ever posting about NCSU atheletics.

P. Riv wasn't 3rd on the depth chart and we just figured we would throw him in and see what he could do and lo and behold a miracle was born in front of our eyes.

HE WON THE JOB IN PRACTICE BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED YOU APE HOW AT ALL COULD THIS SAME ARGUMENT AGAINST BURKE BE APPLIED TO P RIV?

Quote :

"There is no way to tell 100% how a person will react in a game situation. Its like how some people can know everything then freeze on a test while other people who seemingly don't know anything ace the test."

See comments from above.

Quote :

"Sure in practice Burke may be worse fundamentals wise or mental wise, but that doesn't change the fact that his results in an actual game can't possibly be much of any worse than what we have had so far."

Sure they can. The guys playing ahead of him started with more overall experience (and through the season have gained more) AND NEWS FLASH, WE WERE TIED WITH FSU AT HALF TIME THANKS TO THE (just barely) SERVICEABLE D. EVANS. Throw in an untested guy that is 3rd on the depth chart and see how close we were at half.

Quote :

"You are the only one I see whining and complaining that thinks they have all the answers. "

I'm just telling explaining to you the reality that your NCSU colored glasses is failing to see.

Quote :

"glad we finally agree on something. So since this season is being given up as a wash, what does it hurt to try him out? What is the worst that can happen . . . he plays like shit and we get our asses handed to us? Oh wait, thats already happening."

See comment about being in the game against FSU.

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"I want Wilson to start. He has a motor and is an awesome scrambler. That is what we need since we have trouble giving the QB protection. "

Quote :

"what do we have to lose? another guy to injury?"

Sweet, I'm all for burning redshirts of the 4th stringer when we are midway into the season!!!

10/8/2007 8:24:31 AM

hahaha . . . for a troll, you're pretty funny

Quote :

"s playing ahead of him started with more overall experience (and through the season have gained more) AND NEWS FLASH, WE WERE TIED WITH FSU AT HALF TIME THANKS TO THE (just barely) SERVICEABLE D. EVANS. Throw in an untested guy that is 3rd on the depth chart and see how close we were at half."

forgive me all knowing Chance, you obviously have all the answers. Although, I didn't realize wins were given out based on the score for half the game

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 9:07 AM. Reason : ]

10/8/2007 8:58:32 AM

Quote :

"There is no way to tell 100% how a person will react in a game situation. Its like how some people can know everything then freeze on a test while other people who seemingly don't know anything ace the test. Sure in practice Burke may be worse fundamentals wise or mental wise, but that doesn't change the fact that his results in an actual game can't possibly be much of any worse than what we have had so far."

while i cant imagine him being much worse so i wouldnt be opposed to it, in all my years of playing sports i have to say that 9 times out of 10 someone who is a 3rd string player based on practice results in any sport on any team is usually there for reason and performs at or below that in a game situation (minus freak single game incidents any of us could cite). While I have seen TONS of players that look like 1st string quality in practice, and 3rd string on the field, the inverse is far more uncommon.

10/8/2007 9:02:37 AM

thank you chuck amato for having 4 different offensive coordinators in 7 seven seasons, completely ruining any of phillips replacements of having a shot at becoming an effective QB, for recruiting athletic kids with attitude problems, zero football sense and shit for brains and for squandering possibly our greatest talent level in the history of our school.

...or in poor daniel's sake, just not the physical tools to compete at the division 1 level... He's a good, smart kid and its good to see johnnies kid on the team... but he just isn't good enough to be a div 1 qb for a program (even as historically mediocre and underacheiving as we may be) and conference as prestigous as ours.

when you send the likes of p riv, manny lawson, mario williams, oly hoyte, marcus hudson, jericho cotchery (just to name a few, not even naming the other 10) to the nfl and still have nothing to show for it??? really shows chuck's lack of coaching skills.

just give it time guys, just like our bball team, once our new coaches get their personel on the field/court, we are going to be much MUCH better than we have been...

until then, this might still get a worse before it gets better.

[Edited on October 8, 2007 at 9:15 AM. Reason : ops]

10/8/2007 9:04:44 AM

^scapegoating 101

10/8/2007 9:10:03 AM

Haha were any of you calling for Beck even at the Clemson game?

Burke came in freaking mop up duty and threw a pick right to the guy.

Oh and as much as I hate to admit I am on baldy's side of the argument.

10/8/2007 10:39:05 AM

^that pick was honestly more on jarvis williams though. he threw the ball in a great position for the receiver to make a play and williams didn't even bother to turn around and look for the ball.

i have no clue if burke is any better than evans or beck, but at this point i know they aren't good enough. i'd rather see first hand that burke is clearly worse than they are, or else i will continue wondering how the hell that could be possible. same goes for wilson.

10/8/2007 10:49:09 AM

russell wilson


burn his redshirt. his future is baseball. but we need him now in football. glennon's (hopefully) the future as NCSU QB. wilson can run a little, and throw on the run.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JH1d0m9nYRw

10/8/2007 10:54:43 AM

with beck out i would rather see a younger player getting the reps as it is obvious evans will never be the answer at qb. even if beck or glennon is going to be the guy next year, it makes sense to give burke the experience. i agree w/ sitting wilson, no need to burn a rs in a losing season.

i'm hoping tob also starts to give all the younger guys at other positions a lot more time. might as well, we are going to lose either way and at least we can build for next year.

10/8/2007 11:25:08 AM

"If you build it, they will come...."

That is obviously the answer to all of our problems! yay!

10/8/2007 6:59:14 PM

To everyone saying that it couldn't possibly be worse with Burke in...

Sure, it'd be a big L in our record no matter who is QBing, but the difference is in whether our team throws 3-5 interceptions per game or 7-10. If you want to take the gamble of Burke either losing by 40+ points or pulling something magical out of his ass (the odds of this are "probably not" at best), then that's your opinion. But I'd never take you to Vegas, and you're definitely not someone any coaching staff should listen to.

10/8/2007 11:07:26 PM

^yeah the one time burke got put into the game he almost immediately threw an int in his first drive

burke is by far the worst we've got, were he not the coaching staff would have given him a go just like evans/beck

10/8/2007 11:12:42 PM

anyone who wants burke clearly did not attend the spring game.

the dude threw half his balls on the ground 10 yards in front of his target.

10/8/2007 11:15:06 PM

^^That wasn't his first time in a game . . . it was his first throws in a game. He actually came in the at the end of the Woffard game and handed it off a few times. Then he threw twice at the end against Clemson, the 1st pass was to the ground 5 yds from the receiver, the second was an int. Then he handed the ball off a few times against FSU too . . . don't remember him playing in the Louisville but I'm not sure.

And based on everyone elses philosophy . . . he isn't the worst. Wilson is below him (although it could be argued that this is only because he is red shirting) and Polk is even farther down.

^I went to the spring game and saw a bunch of suckage all the way around. DE threw what should have been 3 or 4 interceptions, but the defense dropped em. Beck looked like he liked to throw long, but wasn't completely accurate at those passes. And Burke looked shitty too throwing multiple interceptions.

10/8/2007 11:54:11 PM