Leave the Mets/Cubs fans' circle jerk that is the Arod thread to talking about A-rod.

My Offseason FA rankings by position (that I will fill with their new team when available). New players will be added as they declare:

C

1. Jorge Posada
2. Yorvit Torrealba
3. Paul LoDuca
4. Jason Kendall
5. Michael Barrett

1B

1. Brad Wilkerson
2. Sean Casey
3. Doug Mientkiewicz
4. Eric Hinske
5. Tony Clark


2B

1. Luis Castillo
2. Tony Graffanino

SS

1. David Eckstein
2. Mark Loretta

3B

1. Fag-Rod
2. Mike Lowell
3. Mike Lamb
4. Pedro Feliz
5. Abraham Nunez

DH

1. Barry Bonds
2. Mike Piazza
3. Sammy Sosa

UTIL

1. Marlon Anderson
2. Chris Gomez


LF

1. Milton Bradley
2. Geoff Jenkins
3. Shannon Stewart

CF

1. Torii Hunter
2. Andruw Jones
3. Aaron Rowand
4. Corey Patterson
5. Kenny Lofton

RF

1. Shawn Green
2. Trot Nixon
3. Bobby Kielty
4. Cliff Floyd


SP

1. Curt Schilling
2. Bartolo Colon
3. Livan Hernandez
4. Carlos Silva
5. Kyle Lohse
6. Tom Glavine
7. Kenny Rogers
8. Rodrigo Lopez
9. Odalis Perez

RP

1. Mariano Rivera
2. Francisco Cordero
3. Eric Gagne
4. Scott Linebrink
5. David Riske
6. Jeremy Affeldt
7. Shawn Chacon
8. Kerry Wood
9. Luis Vizcaino
10. J.C. Romero

[Edited on November 2, 2007 at 1:07 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2007 1:06:55 AM

haha what could be more boring than watching baseball??


hmm, maybe talking about baseball in the offseason...

[Edited on November 2, 2007 at 2:09 AM. Reason : d]

11/2/2007 2:08:44 AM

is this the weakest FA class ever? there are hardly 5 guys worth getting excited over. love him or hate him, A-Rod is obviously in that group, followed by Hunter and maybe andruw. after that, it drops quickly. if this were 3 or 4 years ago, the SP crop would be unbelievable, but now all those guys are old and less than impressive. rivera is probly on that short list, but he's old. for some reason, i like cordero, he's younger and has been great the past couple of years. other than that, teams don't have alot to hope for.

11/2/2007 6:17:14 AM

^^ eat a penis

^ there will be a lot more added to the list once they declare

[Edited on November 2, 2007 at 7:31 AM. Reason : .]

11/2/2007 7:30:31 AM

i hope the A's grab a FA or two. because damn, we need some help. i've heard the A's mention Wilkerson (that's all we need, another 1B/OF)...

11/2/2007 7:37:21 AM

This offseason's FA Pitching has been one of the better ones that I can remember. Schilling, Colon, Rivera, Cordero... will be interesting to see which team loads up their rotations and 'pens.

11/2/2007 9:23:51 AM

rowand over andruw... andruw is fading fast but someone will still give him a 5 yr contract

11/2/2007 9:27:44 AM

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"This offseason's FA Pitching has been one of the better ones that I can remember. Schilling, Colon, Rivera, Cordero... will be interesting to see which team loads up their rotations and 'pens."

ehh, I disagree... most of the available pitching is way too old. I was looking at the whole list the other day, and I'm pretty sure the best available pitcher under 30 was Jason Jennings. The most interesting pitcher this offseason is going to be Santana (I read some article on espn about it) - either the Twins get full value for him in the offseason, trade him at the deadline, or hope they can go all the way in their last year because they're not going to resign him.

11/2/2007 10:23:45 AM

Quote :

"In a recent chat for Baseball America, the site’s all-things expert, Jim Callis, said he believes that for the Yankees to acquire Santana they would have to part with one of Chien-Ming Wang, Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, along with Melky Cabrera and a prospect such as Ian Kennedy or Jose Tabata."

Are you serious? Cashman would pull that in a second. Wang, a 4th outfielder and a projectable but long ways away talent like Tabata for the best pitcher of the decade? Uh, if the Twins would accept that and the Yankees don't do it they are insane...

11/2/2007 11:08:42 AM

Quote :

"for some reason, i like cordero"

probably cause he is one of the best closers in the league

also

Quote :

"rowand over andruw"

11/2/2007 11:26:39 AM

Contract year + CBP = career year offensively.

If anyone thinks Rowand is going to be worth anywhere near the $$$ he'll command they are insane. He's a great guy, busts his ass and his grittiness offsets his lack of pure athletic ability defensively but he isn't in the Hunter/Andruw/Beltran class...

11/2/2007 11:31:55 AM

Troy Percival is a free agent and he had a badass year for my Cards.

11/2/2007 11:35:21 AM

prolly throw miguel cabrera into the mix

11/2/2007 11:42:29 AM

Quote :

"Hunter/Andruw/Beltran"

hunter, no--he's not

beltran isn't on the market

andruw jones has seen his skills diminish significantly in 2 straight seasons and is on the other side of 30. how you could favor jones over rowand is beyond me

11/2/2007 11:55:46 AM

^Torii Hunter had a pretty damn good year and is every bit the CF that Jones is.

.287 BA 28 Homers 107 RBIs 18 SBs.....pretty similar to Andruw's numbers except the average

[Edited on November 2, 2007 at 12:00 PM. Reason : Hunter is easily better than Rowand]

[Edited on November 2, 2007 at 12:20 PM. Reason : VV I knew that I was just pointing out how good Hunter was this year]

11/2/2007 11:59:32 AM

i'm just waiting on the Mitchell Report to see how it effects both FA and trades...

11/2/2007 12:04:13 PM

^^ I maent to say, "torri hunter, yeah rowand is not as good as him"
my b

11/2/2007 12:14:03 PM

zumaya was hurt during the fires in california and has had shoulder surgery, he's expected to be out until midseason

this guy is the master of freak injuries

[Edited on November 2, 2007 at 12:39 PM. Reason : buster olney says it's pretty serious, could end his career]

11/2/2007 12:38:03 PM

what's he doing out in socal

11/2/2007 12:44:57 PM

lol A-Rod wanted $350M from the yanks...at that asking price, I think he'll go jobless

11/2/2007 1:28:30 PM

Quote :

"what's he doing out in socal"

uh... living there

11/2/2007 1:29:09 PM

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11/2/2007 1:41:09 PM

sorry, that was the best i could do to convey over the internet that you're a fucking moron

11/2/2007 1:43:22 PM

blow me, troll

11/2/2007 1:58:08 PM

Here is an interesting name being dangled out here. Lincecum is available.

The Marlins love young players who they can controll for a long time. Lincecum would have 2 full years before arbitration and 3 more before free agency.

Miguel Cabrera is on the cusp of becoming eligible for free agency (I think after '09 he is) and is already due a huge raise via arbitration. The Giants need to replace Bonds with another big bat.

Maybe some deal including Lincecum and Miggy would be doable...

11/2/2007 4:04:07 PM

^^ ha ha he called Ernie a troll. Sorry dude he is not a troll.

Also:

Quote :

"SP 1. Curt Schilling 2. Bartolo Colon 3. Livan Hernandez 4. Carlos Silva 5. Kyle Lohse 6. Tom Glavine 7. Kenny Rogers 8. Rodrigo Lopez 9. Odalis Perez "

How the fuck do you rank Livan, Silva, and Lohse higher than Glavine or Rogers? Livan is just as old and more worthless, Silva and Lohse maybe younger, but both are just plain bad pitchers overall.



[Edited on November 2, 2007 at 4:06 PM. Reason : ^]

11/2/2007 4:05:45 PM

where did you hear the giants were shopping lincecum?

11/2/2007 4:13:33 PM

This morning on KNBR 680 and then saw it on metsblog (the site you love).

11/2/2007 4:14:54 PM

Quote :

"How the fuck do you rank Livan, Silva, and Lohse higher than Glavine or Rogers? Livan is just as old and more worthless, Silva and Lohse maybe younger, but both are just plain bad pitchers overall."

this isnt a career ranking, when you rank free agents you rank them on their short and long term ability to help your team. Glavine and Rogers have only the very short term. Most teams will take lohse for 3-4 years over glavine for one

11/2/2007 5:20:02 PM

^^ they are shopping lowery and sanchez not lincecum and cain

11/2/2007 5:20:38 PM

Rotoworld seems to think the lincecum rumor is a typo:
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=4484

11/2/2007 8:01:57 PM

Quote :

"Cubs snag Fukudome with 4-year, $48M deal December 11, 2007 Associated Press CHICAGO (AP) -- Japanese outfielder Kosuke Fukudome and the Chicago Cubs reached a preliminary agreement Tuesday on a $48 million, four-year contract. The deal is subject to a physical, according to a person familiar with the negotiations who spoke on condition of anonymity because no announcement had been made. The agreement could be finalized as early as Wednesday. Fukudome was considered one of the best outfielders in Japanese baseball. The 30-year-old slugger was a key member of the Japan team that won the inaugural World Baseball Classic in March 2006. He had surgery on his right elbow in August and sat out the Japan Series, but has 192 homers and a .305 batting average over nine seasons with the Chunichi Dragons, who won their first championship in 53 years on Nov. 2. After becoming a free agent, Fukudome drew interest from the Cubs, San Diego Padres and White Sox. He is expected to play right field for the Cubs, who traded outfielder Jacque Jones to Detroit this offseason and declined their contract option on veteran Cliff Floyd. All-Star slugger Alfonso Soriano returns in left and speedy prospect Felix Pie is expected to take over in center after shuttling between the majors and minors this season. The Cubs hope Fukudome will provide the consistent left-handed bat they seek to go with righties Soriano, Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee. Chicago won the NL Central title last season before being swept by Arizona in the first round of the playoffs. Fukudome was the 2006 Central League MVP, batting .351 with 31 homers and 104 RBIs. He recently told the Dragons he wouldn't return next season, saying he wanted to move to the major leagues. "

One of the comments,

Quote :

"you read it here first; when this guy hits a home-run...I'm calling it an F-Bomb."

12/12/2007 8:05:26 AM

"Fukudome"



Bonds to the A's looks like a strong possibility if he stays out of jail. As an A's fan, I would like to see Bonds' bat in the lineup... but thats about it. Scared he will bring too much baggage to such a laid back club.

12/12/2007 10:25:26 AM

Astros acquire Miguel Tejada for Luke Scott and 4 others.

12/12/2007 1:13:41 PM

pretty much a wash for the O's

12/12/2007 1:34:02 PM

^ nah, I think the O's did a good job here. They got some young arms, a decent outfielder in Scott with good OBP and a pretty good 3B prospect... plus they drop Tejada's salary just as it was starting to become a burden. I like it personally

12/12/2007 1:47:10 PM

Luke Scott sucks. Troy Patton is the star of the deal for the Os.

12/12/2007 1:56:11 PM

12/12/2007 3:47:19 PM

Roger Clemens is going to be listed on the Mitchell Report as using steroids.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153129

And in a Captain Obvious comment, Yankees fans are saying this guy is on the Red Sox payroll.


[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 10:34 AM. Reason : /]

12/13/2007 10:12:31 AM

who is looking at prior? i wouldn't mind seeind him in oakland.

12/13/2007 12:02:10 PM

mitchell is

12/13/2007 12:46:03 PM

i was about to say that 10 minutes ago

12/13/2007 12:46:41 PM

http://www.orioleshangout.com/article.asp?ID=1297

Orioles trade Brian Roberts to the Cubs

1/9/2008 9:25:28 AM

man, we better get someone good in return. he was one of like 4-5 players worth a damn on the team.

1/9/2008 1:03:49 PM

Quote :

"Update: An Orioles official has contacted the Hangout and denied this report and said "it is completely inaccurate.""

I like DeRosa at 2nd for the Cubs, but a S hitter would have been nice

1/9/2008 5:48:20 PM

Joey Devine to the A's

1/14/2008 8:52:07 PM