to Charlotte or something.

because this is ridiculous.

.


and while your at it, please never host another ACC bball tourney in Florida either

dammit...trying to get this pic to work

anyways, my point is that the stadium was embarassingly empty on saturday. at 16-16 in the 3rd of the championship it looked like the end of the NCST Maryland game in there

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 9:18 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 9:11:50 PM

I agree

12/2/2007 9:13:42 PM

you've got your wish as far as the tournament goes until 2012 (13-15 has the option to be moved) at least

2008 - Charlotte, N.C.
2009 - Atlanta, Ga.
2010 - Greensboro, N.C.
2011 - Greensboro, N.C.
2012 - Atlanta, Ga.
2013 - Greensboro, N.C.
2014 - Greensboro, N.C.
2015 - Greensboro, N.C.

12/2/2007 9:16:49 PM

we should've never let BC in

12/2/2007 9:20:53 PM

How many fans did VT bring?

12/2/2007 9:32:30 PM

There was talk about moving the championship game to a more central location long before this year's championship game. Attendance was dreadful last year, and having it at the same location of the Gator Bowl doesn't help either.

Charlotte/BOA Stadium has been talked about as the most likely location, as the Georgia Dome already has the SEC Championship. There may be some talk about FedEx Field, but I'm pretty confident we will see the ACC Championship in Charlotte. Of course, the year they move it may end up being the year that Miami plays FSU in the ACC Championship.

12/2/2007 9:39:26 PM

wasn't this brought up and shot down after last year's game?

i seem to remember an extension being signed with the alltell stadium folks -- or whatever it's called now

either way, if teams like GT, wake, and BC keep making itm they'll never sell out -- no matter where the game is played

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2007 9:42:38 PM

kick bc out of the conference and move the championship game.

12/2/2007 9:49:48 PM

kick out BC, then who's are 12th?

and it made no sense to place the Championship game in Jacksonville to begin with. its close to 1 ACC school, FSU, and drivable for GT fan. Other than that how did that ever make sense?

BOA Stadium is the only logical neutral site. Like Greensboro was for the Tournament.

12/2/2007 10:03:27 PM

add any public school on the east coast that actually has fans.

12/2/2007 10:04:43 PM

i'd be happy if BC was kicked out

then we wouldn't need a stupid fucking championship game

12/2/2007 10:04:46 PM

^^^ The only teams that can realistically replace BC based on geography are:

-South Florida (...maybe, although with a little work they could compete for the Big East every year, they could take the position that Miami gave up; don't think Florida State or Miami would allow them in)
-Central Florida (ditto, cannot see Florida State or Miami allowing them in)
-Navy (would they give up independent status?)
-East Carolina (North Carolina and NC State would never allow it)
-West Virginia (my #1 pick, would they leave the Big East?)

We're kind of in a bad part of the country cause there aren't a lot of universities nearby that aren't already in the SEC or ACC.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:10 PM. Reason : /]

12/2/2007 10:10:20 PM

^^ that works too. i mean after this year a title game can just screw your conference more than anything.

^^^ USF ECU WVU? any other acronym?

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:11 PM. Reason : i have to read yours now ryan]

^ or below the Maryland line. that is what sucks, is that BC proves to us how not into college sports the North is.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:12 PM. Reason : nice work]

12/2/2007 10:10:41 PM

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"wasn't this brought up and shot down after last year's game? "

It was brought up, but Jacksonville already had this year locked in (the original bid was for 3 years I believe).

http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/383023.html

Supposedly Charlotte, Jacksonville, and Tampa have made bids to host the ACC Championship game 2008 to 2010. It was discussed by ACC officials Friday, and they also discussed whether to have a semipermanent host site or to rotate it.

12/2/2007 10:14:08 PM

^^^ navy wouldn't be better in any way than bc. plus as soon as they lose paul johnson they'll go back to being a regular service academy.

wvu is really the best choice, but you have to get them to leave the big east and be okay with being associated with wvu.

granted, none of this is happening regardless of what i say.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:14 PM. Reason : ^]

12/2/2007 10:14:14 PM

Quote :

"then we wouldn't need a stupid fucking championship game "

gay, its a great thing to have

12/2/2007 10:16:03 PM

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"^ or below the Maryland line. that is what sucks, is that BC proves to us how not into college sports the North is."

That isn't true at all. It's just them. Penn State has always been considered a Northeastern school. Syracuse has great fan support for a private school. UConn has a football season ticket base of nearly 30,000. Rutgers now sells out every game.

^^ eh, as someone who has been to both places multiple times, WVU is no worse/better than VT..

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:16 PM. Reason : x]

12/2/2007 10:16:03 PM

The ACC isn't going to add a school that is not academically on par with the other schools in the conference (I'm looking at you, USF, UCF, and ECU), or one that isn't somewhat competitive in all major sports (that rules out Navy).

Quote :

"navy wouldn't be better in any way than bc. plus as soon as they lose paul johnson they'll go back to being a regular service academy."

Navy has a MUCH better fanbase than BC for football. They show up at bowl games. Obviously they don't have a basketball team. Does David Robinson have a son?


I don't see BC getting kicked out, but I wouldn't mind swapping them out for Penn State, WVU, or even Syracuse. The major players may try to ditch them for ND if they ever join a conference. On the other hand, it's not necessarily bad to keep them around for the other ACC schools to laugh at. At least next season they won't have to worry about being jumped in the bowl pecking order. They look like a 4 or 5 win team next season.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:25 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 10:18:06 PM

Quote :

"Rutgers now sells out every game."

12/2/2007 10:19:41 PM

should've gotten syracuse

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:20 PM. Reason : COLLEGE FOOTBALL WAS BORN AT RUTGERS]

12/2/2007 10:20:38 PM

^ i have no beef w/ syracuse, but that's really too far north, AND you'd have to play in a dome, which is DO NOT WANT.

they'd still be better than bc, though.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:21 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 10:21:06 PM

you can have South Carolina. We'll take GT

12/2/2007 10:22:07 PM

syracuse is no further north than boston

it's actually probably closer to raleigh

12/2/2007 10:23:11 PM

you can have maryland, we'll take vanderbilt

12/2/2007 10:23:11 PM

^^ boston is also too far north.

12/2/2007 10:24:46 PM

Quote :

""Rutgers now sells out every game.""

Yeah... when I started school at State we didnt come close to selling out every game. In fact, when students were on break the stadium was, at best, 60-70% full.

Gotta start somewhere...

** Syracuse is closer than Boston.. and they have far better fans and have as much of the NYC market as BC does Boston..

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:26 PM. Reason : x]

12/2/2007 10:25:43 PM

^^^ maryland wouldnt fit into the SEC at all... Clemson and GT are the logical choices

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:26 PM. Reason : d]

12/2/2007 10:26:18 PM

^ Georgia would never allow Georgia Tech to join and South Carolina would never allow Clemson to join.

12/2/2007 10:29:02 PM

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"Syracuse is closer than Boston.. and they have far better fans and have as much of the NYC market as BC does Boston"

are you talking percentages?

because surely there is much, much larger alumni base for syracuse than for BC

i have no idea what kind of media coverage (if any) they get in the city though

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:29 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2007 10:29:16 PM

^^ it would be getting rid of South Carolina...



South Carolina and Vandy to the ACC

Clemson and GT to the SEC

12/2/2007 10:30:00 PM

we shouldnt even be talking about dropping and adding.

we should just focus on adding 2 more to cancel out BC. super-conference ftw!

Quote :

"That isn't true at all. It's just them. Penn State has always been considered a Northeastern school. Syracuse has great fan support for a private school. UConn has a football season ticket base of nearly 30,000. Rutgers now sells out every game."

No I believe if given the same opportunity as BC UConn wouldn't show, but I think Cuse would based on history of the area. I can't agrue Penn State b/c I was confusing public/private with U Penn. But once Joe Pa leaves how will they fair? Probably just as well.

Quote :

"you can have maryland, we'll take vanderbilt"

fuck no.

12/2/2007 10:30:16 PM

^^ do not want.

well, penn state's been mediocre for a while, save two seasons ago. they'll probably be in and out of solid seasons for years to come though.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:32 PM. Reason : until the world gets too fucked to bother playing football anymore, anyway.]

12/2/2007 10:30:28 PM

Quote :

"Syracuse is closer than Boston.. and they have far better fans and have as much of the NYC market as BC does Boston.."

Cuse does have great fans, there are a lot in RTP.

But cmon NyM, the NYC market is shit for college sports. No one there cares about college football at least in my mind. NFL rules during the season and the latter half of MLB does the beginning of college football.

12/2/2007 10:32:36 PM

just to clarify, given the choice between 'cuse and bc, i'd take syracuse in a heartbeat.

12/2/2007 10:35:09 PM

i have a great idea

let's create a time machine and go back to 2003, before the ACC was fucked by expansion

that should solve all these problems

12/2/2007 10:35:24 PM

i'm down

12/2/2007 10:36:02 PM

^^That works, or we could just get Philip Rivers lifetime eligibility. We wouldn't need an offensive coordinator and Amato could just handle defense.

12/2/2007 10:37:51 PM

^^^ i still want vt, though.

12/2/2007 10:39:16 PM

^ Oddly enough, the ACC originally didn't.

(I always thought that was cause of UVa and they didn't want them in. Then when the plan got in public out the governor forced their hand.)

12/2/2007 10:45:37 PM

^ anyone really remember that shit? it was insane how we went from Cuse and Miami to BC and VT.

marko where's that clown car picture of yours with ACC mascots?

12/2/2007 10:48:05 PM

12/2/2007 10:50:25 PM

No the original plan was BC, Miami, and Syracuse. The expansion needed 7 of 9 votes, and Dook and UNC made it clear they would not vote for anything. UVA, under pressure from the state legislature leveraged their position as the swing vote into getting VT in.

I think the reason we ended up with BC instead of Syracuse had to do with Boeheim publicly lobbying strongly against it, and Miami wanting BC but am not sure on that.

12/2/2007 10:57:02 PM

see even i forgot. and i was all for this expansion stuff when it started.

why wouldn't we want VT in the first place? was Cuse for basketball, right?

its a shame Mary Ann never got Notre Dame in...

12/2/2007 11:04:15 PM

Quote :

"why wouldn't we want VT in the first place?"

one word:

round-robin basketball schedules

12/2/2007 11:05:27 PM

The ACC was very worried about their TV contract at the time. VT wasn't originally included because it didn't add a TV market. The logic went: Miami added Miami (and other FL markets, with 2/3 main schools ACC), BC added the Boston market, Syracuse the NYC market. If it wasn't for ND's Gator Bowl season, we would have had a good shot at them (their TV contract was up for negotiation that year, and they were in serious trouble until their "Return to Glory". ND's independent status is dependent on two things: a good football TV contract, and the Big East allowing them to participate in the conference without joining for football.


Also VT wasn't particularly competitive in basketball prior to joining the ACC (sorry Dell Curry and Ace Custis).

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:13 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 11:12:05 PM

that's some shitty logic on the acc's part. i don't know any numbers on the money or anything, but vt was a great addition.

12/2/2007 11:13:39 PM

attendance is listed as 53,212 . . . that must be just in tickets sold, cause there surely aren't that many people there considering the capacity is around 75,000 and that is not close to 2/3 full

12/2/2007 11:20:49 PM

i wonder if that counts the tickets they gave to bc, which bc did not sell.

12/2/2007 11:22:54 PM

I would love it if the ACC added WVU. I thought they should have added them over BC to begin with.

12/2/2007 11:26:32 PM

You know I was kidding about ND right mark?

I recall the TV time now as a reason for expanding in the new markets. It made sense in a straight up numbers game, but we should have based it on something else.

VT wasn't strong in basketball you're right, but Cuse wasn't exactly a football powerhouse. I think they just came off a bowl win or two tho correct? so i guess that swayed opinions.

12/2/2007 11:30:59 PM