• The Tigers have won the Miguel Cabrera sweepstakes. Detroit will get Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for six players -- Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, catcher Mike Rabelo and three minor league prospects.

as reported by peter gammons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12/4/2007 6:35:24 PM

this deserves its own thread

12/4/2007 6:37:24 PM

fucking andrew miller.

12/4/2007 6:37:41 PM

omg yay

12/4/2007 6:40:07 PM

im so glad we got rid of miller


C Pudge
1B Carlos Guillen
2B Polanco
SS Renteria
3B Cabrera/Inge
LF Cabrera/Inge
CF Granderson
RF Ordonez
DH Sheffield

BN J. Jones
BN Wilson
BN Thames

SP Verlander
SP Bonderman
SP Rogers
SP Willis
SP Robertson

CL Todd jones

12/4/2007 6:43:21 PM

this is just speculation, but Willis is a guy that would fit well in the closer's role. he's got that fiery mentality that you love in a closer. if Jones struggles, maybe put him there? much like the Phillies did with Brett Myers this year

12/4/2007 6:49:51 PM

that's not happening

12/4/2007 6:50:39 PM

we have a couple of minor league guys being groomed for thatwith zumaya hurt

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 6:54 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 6:53:53 PM

fuck, didnt see this coming

12/4/2007 6:54:31 PM

That is a great trade for the Tigers and should put them right back in the thick of it if those two perform.

12/4/2007 7:14:07 PM

Right now it's the Tigers and Red Sox about ten levels above the rest of MLB... well that is, if the reports are true and Santana to Boston is a done deal..

The best lineup in baseball in Detroit versus the best pitching staff in baseball (one of the best in the past quarter century IMO).

12/4/2007 7:15:39 PM

I will tell you what....if the redsox pay the going price for cc no redsox can ever talk about Yankee spending again. They spent more in the last off season than any team....and CC is looking for 25 mil a year....that is ridiculous money. But if they do get him they will be on paper the best team in baseball bar none.....

12/4/2007 7:27:35 PM

who??? hahah

12/4/2007 8:11:03 PM

just contract the marlins already...their front office is a bunch of fuck ups

12/4/2007 8:40:35 PM

if you are referring to CC Sabathia, he isnt going anywhere.

CC's contract ends in 2008 and Shapiro has said that there will be an extension offer on the table for him before spring training, plus the Indians were about $16 million under their budget last year. Shapiro is too smart of a GM to let the reigning Cy Young winner get away.

I know that money talks, but I dont think CC will go anywhere

12/4/2007 8:42:29 PM

i think he was talking about santana

which sounds kind of like sabathia if you're dumb

12/4/2007 8:44:10 PM

CC....santana....ok made a mistake....clearly most people know what I meant. In any case...Ernie you remind me of a nit picking little bitch. Are you a really a girl...cause you act like one ?

12/4/2007 9:14:19 PM

is it really "nit picking" when i call you out on not knowing the difference between cc sabathia and johan santana?

12/4/2007 9:29:24 PM

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"just contract the marlins already...their front office is a bunch of fuck ups"

No, they know full well what they're doing.

Their owner is a real-life version of Rachel Phelps from Major League.

Man, it sucks to be a Miami sports fan nowadays.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:41 PM. Reason : ,]

12/4/2007 9:38:36 PM

Crazy pickup.

12/4/2007 9:42:26 PM

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"just contract the marlins already...their front office is a bunch of fuck ups"

yeah, 2 championships in the past decade with COMPLETELY different teams

they have no idea what they're doing.......

12/4/2007 9:43:01 PM

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"Crazy pickup."

12/4/2007 9:49:25 PM

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"Their owner is a real-life version of Rachel Phelps from Major League."

Except if you're actually a baseball fan, you don't say "who the fuck are these guys," you say, they've stockpiled a lot of young talent because they can't afford to overpay for veterans like Beckett, Cabrera, Willis, etc.

12/4/2007 9:55:23 PM

Ernie - well if you must know...my brother who is a Indians fan and I were just on the phone, and I had CC on my brain as I am still wondering how Beckett didn't win the Cy Young award and my brother and I were arguing over that.... so when my brother and I got off the phone I still had that fat POS CC on my mind and wala....typed CC instead of Santana....Trust me I know the difference...and I don't want the Yankees to pay him 25 mil a season was my point. They need to nurture what they have...especially now that Andy is locked up. whatever

12/4/2007 9:59:41 PM

it took you 45 minutes to come up with that?

12/4/2007 10:07:12 PM

no my brother called back and to remind me what he wanted for Christmas....

12/4/2007 10:13:54 PM

12/4/2007 10:15:36 PM

i refuse to argue with someone thinks "wala" is a word

12/4/2007 10:21:00 PM

Ok but at least I'm not a Mets fan.....

12/4/2007 10:33:38 PM

what

12/4/2007 10:44:45 PM

i dont even know whats going on anymore

12/4/2007 11:10:39 PM

^ that the Tigers are now a legitimate threat to win the AL.

Which means they can win the Series by default.

Good pick up D-riot. Leyland is going to have a handful of egos in the clubhouse, but he will get it done, and I hope the best for that town.

12/5/2007 10:54:10 AM

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"Ernie All American 21967 Posts user info edit post i refuse to argue with someone thinks "wala" is a word 12/4/2007 10:21:00 PM gforce All American 1592 Posts user info edit post Ok but at least I'm not a Mets fan..... 12/4/2007 10:33:38 PM Ernie All American 21967 Posts user info edit post what "

HAHAHAHAHAHA

12/5/2007 10:59:13 AM

That is what I was saying in my original msg....the Tigers have leaped ahead of everyone in the AL with the exception of the Red Sox....but like I also said before willis and Cabrera will have to perform....

12/5/2007 12:53:00 PM

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"Except if you're actually a baseball fan, you don't say "who the fuck are these guys," you say, they've stockpiled a lot of young talent because they can't afford to overpay for veterans like Beckett, Cabrera, Willis, etc."

What I say is that the Marlins receive something like $20 million per year from the Red Sox and Yankees via luxury tax, and that they're not even going to spend all that money on their roster. I saw on an ESPN article that their highest paid player right now will be closer Kevin Gregg, making $575k.

Lets get it over with and jettison Miami to Triple-A.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove07/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3141990

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"But the Marlins? They're about as unrecognizable as any team in America -- maybe even more unrecognizable than the Pawtucket Red Sox. "What's their payroll going to be?" one baseball man wondered Tuesday night. "Six million bucks? Eight million?" Hey, excellent guesses. As best we can tell, their highest-paid player next season is going to be closer Kevin Gregg. He made $575,000 this season (less than the Yankees paid A-Rod every four days). And he's actually arbitration-eligible. Or it might be Miller, even though he's only 22 years old, was pitching for the UNC Tar Heels as recently as two years ago and owns exactly 74 1/3 innings of big league experience. Miller signed a major league contract out of college, so he's scheduled to make $1.325 million if he's in the big leagues next season, which will practically be Johan Santana money compared to the rest of that roster. "There's no way," one agent said, "that the average salary on that team is even going to be close to $500,000." That's the state of your 2008 Marlins, folks. Whoever they are. We need to remember at times like this that the Marlins are a team that always makes great trades, that always makes excellent talent evaluations, that always has a plan. But we also need to acknowledge something else: That plan now leaves them with virtually zero identity. Let's see now. There's Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla and … uh … OK, we're stumped. And even more importantly for the future of the franchise, you wonder where this plan will leave their endless campaign for a new ballpark, now that they no longer can say they want to build it for Willis and Cabrera to lead them back to the glory days. "

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-flsphydespec05sbdec05,0,2222915.column: .]

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"This has been said before but needs to be shouted on days like today. This franchise makes bundles of money. It turns a wonderful profit. Take out the calculator and add up what they got last year: $30 million. That's in revenue sharing. $12 million. That's an estimated local TV deal, according to a source. $18 million. That's from the national TV deal. That's $60 million right there. That's before they sell a ticket, sign up a corporation or cash one of the increasingly lucrative checks from the merchandising arm of Major League Baseball. That's against a $32 million payroll last year that could dwindle to about half that this year."

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 3:28 PM. Reason : /]

12/5/2007 3:03:48 PM

lots of talk on the Packman show today about the possibility of baseball in the Carolinas...assuming it was the Marlins moving to Charlotte...well they just got a lot less interesting by losing their 2 biggest name players

12/5/2007 4:10:17 PM

Yeah, I read that article and I know about the payroll. There's no question the Marlins have shady ownership but it's a far different level than the owner on Major League (and yes, I know you didn't mean it literally). They are unloading good players, yes, but are getting very good players in return. Hanley Ramirez was the 2006 Rookie of the Year, Anibal Sanchez threw a no-hitter, Uggla/Willingham/Jacobs are all supposed to become good players. Andrew Miller is supposedly the next big time pitching badass.

12/5/2007 5:37:18 PM

Say what you will, the general manager of the Marlins is phenomenal.

12/5/2007 6:47:46 PM

so was the former one

btw they are saying the tigers are in talks to sign eric gagne

12/5/2007 7:42:12 PM

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"i think he was talking about santana which sounds kind of like sabathia if you're dumb"

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12/5/2007 7:56:51 PM

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that moment never came

12/5/2007 7:58:55 PM

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12/5/2007 10:33:12 PM

as a marlins fan, i might as well start rooting for the tigers. they seem to be team that most values the marlins stars (lowell and beckett excluded)

12/5/2007 10:49:27 PM

let's do it baby boy

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"THE TRADE Its crazy how it can happen anytime anywhere . Man i get off a plane in mexico with my family and everyone is callin me like something bad happened but i didnt know until my agent called and told me. I thought he was playin but then i saw it on t.v and for a second i was like ''damn for real" then i was like "well lets do it baby boy '' . My family didnt know how i would take it so they didnt know how to act so it was kinda funny. It feels good that someone else wants u but at the same time i felt like i didnt want to leave. But i do understand that moves r made alot in the game and now im apart of one once again."

12/5/2007 10:56:23 PM

was that from that willis guy?

12/5/2007 10:57:27 PM