what are the major differences between hillary and obama? I read the campaigns for everybody running and it seems like they are identical on every major issue with only a few non polar disagreements.

For the overall economy who is most likely the best candidate?

hillary and obama are raising taxes won't that hurt the economy?

who knows what huckabee's fair tax would do because nobodys ever tried it

so that leaves pretty much romney huckabbee and guliani

1/8/2008 11:37:55 PM

Presidents rarely have any real affect on the economy either positively or negatively in the vast majority of cases.

Generally speaking though, Obama is a bit more fiscally conservative and more in line with what would be considered moderate social ideas. Clinton is more of a classic or hard line democrat. Here are some examples based on voting records from the Washington Post posted about a year ago:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/31/AR2006123101004_2.html

1/8/2008 11:46:01 PM

the difference between Hillary and Obama?

Obama's penis is black.














Duh.

1/8/2008 11:47:08 PM

Quote :

"so that leaves pretty much romney huckabbee and guliani"

dude

how about the best of the GOP bunch--McCain?

1/9/2008 1:06:16 AM

McCain's looking (and sounding) strong lately. just on the basis of who he is, and a lot of his bipartisan efforts over the years, I wouldn't be terribly unhappy if he wound up president.



still, it's my firm belief that no Republican should be allowed to come near the oval office for at least 8 years. it needs to be thoroughly fumigated after GWB shit all over it.

1/9/2008 1:30:23 AM

^ Well, I'll bet Bush aides won't vandalize the White House like Clinton's did.

Quote :

"Republican sources told CNN that the pranks included removing the letter 'w' from computer keyboards, forwarding some calls from various offices to the chief of staff's office and leaving signs on doors poking fun at Bush's occasional verbal pratfalls, such as one sign saying 'Office of the Strategerie.' One Republican with close ties to the Bush White House, who has been at the White House 'a couple of times,' told CNN that there was 'trash everywhere,' that some phone lines were cut and there was graffiti on at least one wall. 'The condition was appalling,' said this Republican official who did not want to be identified."

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/26/whitehouse.pranks.02/index.html

1/9/2008 1:39:47 AM

oh jesus christ. you sound like my dad.

turn off rush limbaugh, and go take a walk. get some fresh air.

1/9/2008 2:26:56 AM

^^I guess Clinton probably didn't get all of his security deposit back then.

Seriously, if this actually happened perhaps they should have made an issue of it at the time, it's not as if something like vandalizing the white house would be difficult to prove or demonstrating how little respect the other party had for the home of Lincoln could possibly be politically advantageous. Yes, one certainly has to wonder why this wasn't a bigger deal.

1/9/2008 2:29:48 AM

it *was* a big deal.. didnt you listen to AM radio? you know, the Crotchety Old Crank show on K-Truth?

anyhow, if you insist on feeding the troll, maybe you should try by pointing out that Clinton staffers "vandalizing" some keyboards is nothing like GWB wiping his ass with the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

1/9/2008 2:43:38 AM

not to make excuses (as I think you know my stance on this issue), but ass-wiping with the Constitution is pretty much SOP in Washington. Nobody seems to really give a shit whether anything is Constitutionally permissable.

1/9/2008 2:47:04 AM

That's because about 95% of it is not constitutionally permissible. If they went around pointing that out they'd all be out of jobs.

1/9/2008 2:49:16 AM

theres a difference between skirting around the edges, taking little nibbles here and there....

and a full fledge frontal assault right through the center.







oh, well. no one ever said Dubya doesn't have balls.

1/9/2008 2:52:05 AM

no they wouldn't...but they'd relinquish a lot of power (and all but the most upstanding ones would then lose a lot of personal wealth).

the whole system has become so perverted in the last 75 years that the Constitution has become irrelevent except for times when it is convenient for someone with the authority and political ability to invoke it. This complete disregard for the proper process is so entrenched at this point (in politics and society) that I don't think we'll ever be able to put any significant dent in it.


although there seems to be a LOT of libertarian leaning people in our generation. maybe it'll swing back that way.

1/9/2008 2:56:15 AM

^ yeah, but theyve been saying that for every generation since 1970's, and Libertarians have continued to hover at 5% of the popular vote, across the board.

now maybe if the Republican party fractures and implodes, it will be replaced with a more liberal (in the Classical sense) party....

one can only hope.

1/9/2008 3:00:52 AM

If you're talking about everyone in DC then yeah, a shitload of them would be gone. Actually following the Constitution would eliminate a large number of the bureaucracies currently responsible for doing the actual work of governing. Things like the FDA, FCC, etc. would be eliminated.

As much as I'd like to think that there really is a significant Libertarian leaning in my generation I just don't believe it'll last. I think once they get out of school, get jobs, get married, etc. they'll be just as useless as every other generation. The only difference is that we're taking a longer time to do that than our folks did.

1/9/2008 3:01:36 AM

^^ oh yeah, i just meant Congressmen, Senators, the President, and the Justices--the ones who are actually doing the plundering of the Constitution.


and yeah, you're probably right about our generation. i'm crossing my fingers, though.



I'm only even a moderate Constitutionalist. I'm ok with the FDA, FCC, etc, at least at a certain level. There are shit tons of examples of things that either need to go (or go to the States) or at least be trimmed back, though.

1/9/2008 3:16:54 AM