From that class, only rivers left without a ring




(unless you count jp losman)

2/3/2008 10:11:01 PM

Trent Dilfer has a ring. He is better than everyone.

2/3/2008 10:11:35 PM

no

2/3/2008 10:11:44 PM

Tru dat homeboi

2/3/2008 10:12:00 PM

^^^ oohhhhh!!! I thought the ring was the ONLY thing that mattered!?!?!?! Especially since Peyton didnt have one, but now all of a sudden its not, I see

2/3/2008 10:13:06 PM

SUSPEND

ps: Fuck the Pats! gg Eli! but Rivers didn't have an RB core when he faced them

2/3/2008 10:14:05 PM

only took 2 minutes


whats the matter jaybee, you losing your touch?

2/3/2008 10:14:12 PM

hahaha, spread thin over several threads

2/3/2008 10:14:47 PM

that just means Rivers can lead the chargers to an undefeated season.

2/3/2008 10:14:56 PM

Maybe for people on this board. Peyton didn't have to win a ring to prove to me that he is the best qb in the nfl.

2/3/2008 10:15:15 PM

^ I agree...and hes never choked this bad before

[Edited on February 3, 2008 at 10:16 PM. Reason : d]

2/3/2008 10:16:40 PM

damn when you put it in that perspective

2/3/2008 10:17:10 PM

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"I agree...and hes never choked this bad before"

aha

2/3/2008 10:18:12 PM

god that motherfucker is so damn annoying.

He reminds me of dan akroyd in ghostbusters.

2/3/2008 10:21:07 PM

Rex Grossman.... yeah this argument has as much strength a paraplegics legs

2/3/2008 10:29:50 PM

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2/3/2008 10:31:31 PM

It's hard to disagree right now.


As long as you accept that there is a difference between "greater" and "better"

2/3/2008 10:32:54 PM

Rivers played the same Patriots team on a torn ACL, no LT and a one-legged Gates and still gave them a fight. I want to see Eli do that!

2/3/2008 10:37:36 PM

I hate when NC State bias perpetuates meaningless justification....

2/3/2008 10:38:25 PM

Also, I think you have to include losman, he was a first rounder.

2/3/2008 11:01:03 PM

stupid to say manning is better, stupid to say rivers is better. everyone just shut the fuck up.



Manning is a much bigger faggot, and thats what really counts.

[Edited on February 3, 2008 at 11:03 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2008 11:03:01 PM

more like, super bowl rings are what really counts

i mean if you taped over eli's mouth he'd suffocate

but he'd suffocate wearing a big diamond encrusted ring

2/3/2008 11:06:30 PM

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"i mean if you taped over eli's mouth he'd suffocate but he'd suffocate wearing a big diamond encrusted ring"

it all comes down to what it says on the scoreboard....

2/3/2008 11:20:52 PM

the pats were losing their zeal the past few weeks. Give Rivers Gates and LT and i think the Chargers are in the super bowl this week.

2/3/2008 11:36:35 PM

He's probably greater and better than Marino too, because he won a superbowl.

2/4/2008 12:03:37 AM

and better than elway, because he won one earlier in his career

[Edited on February 4, 2008 at 12:05 AM. Reason : and peyton, and most every other fucking quarterback ever. ]

2/4/2008 12:05:20 AM

TUMBLERS BETTER THAN PUMPERS

2/4/2008 12:26:15 AM

Eli singlehandedly beat the Pats

The Giants' defense had nothing to do with it

2/4/2008 10:16:26 AM

He should have had at least 5 picks and his longest pass floated and was caught after a blatant hands to the face, etc. etc.

2/4/2008 10:39:20 AM

2006: Roethlesberger > Manning
2007: Rivers > Roethlesberger
2008: Manning > Rivers

etc. etc.

2/4/2008 11:02:59 AM

All > Losman

2/4/2008 11:05:20 AM

Craig Krenzel > Losman

2/4/2008 11:11:05 AM

eli gets props for getting a ring faster, but i'd still take philip hands down if i was looking for a qb to build my team around.

2/4/2008 11:12:09 AM

y do state fans suck Eli Manning's balls and try to act cool about it?

2/4/2008 11:23:03 AM

manning/rivers/roth although not flashy at all, and maybe not the best pure qb group, has turned out to be one of the best qb classes in regards to winning.

2/4/2008 11:54:38 AM

seriously...compare them to Leinhart, Cutler and Vince and its not even close

2/4/2008 12:02:12 PM

if manning was from ncsu instead of rivers. you guys wouldn't even make a thread about this.

2/4/2008 12:15:08 PM

^what kinda shit is that





Its like your saying that if we went to carolina then we would pull for them

thanks captain obvious

[Edited on February 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/4/2008 12:55:34 PM

but you dont pull for or against someone to the point of losing your objectivity...

2/4/2008 1:00:09 PM

i hate tom brady more than i've ever hated eli

its not like Eli had control over being invited to the Heisman ceremony in New York over Rivers, or getting drafted ahead of Rivers...its not his fault he has a familiar last name and a brother who's a great QB

I hope Rivers wins 10 Superbowls, but the only possible way I might've been able to pull for Brady last night would be if they were playing Dallas

2/4/2008 1:04:55 PM

i dont like any of the mannings...not just eli

thats fair

2/4/2008 1:06:08 PM

SOOOO GLADDD that NE lost. What a great weekend for sports... buzzer win in BB, and those annoying NE fans eat their words

2/4/2008 1:09:11 PM

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"but you dont pull for or against someone to the point of losing your objectivity..."

This is true. However, I still think that in a direct QB comparison, Rivers > Eli. The Chargers were seriously dinged up in the postseason, and that obviously hurt, plus Phil playing injured in the NE game. I'm not ripping on Eli...I mean, I don't particularly like him personally, but I'm a Giants fan. So I kinda have to hope he does well. But having a ring doesn't necessarily make him better, just like not having a ring didn't mean that Peyton was not a great QB before last season.

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"I hope Rivers wins 10 Superbowls, but the only possible way I might've been able to pull for Brady last night would be if they were playing Dallas"

Haha, well said. Even if I wasn't a Giants fan, about the only team I like less than New England is Dallas. (And maybe Baltimore, that one's debatable.)

2/4/2008 1:18:38 PM

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"its not like Eli had control over being invited to the Heisman ceremony in New York over Rivers, or getting drafted ahead of Rivers...its not his fault he has a familiar last name and a brother who's a great QB"

he did have control over being a whiny bitch about going to the chargers

2/4/2008 1:25:35 PM

I think this whole argument is silly.

They are both good young quarterbacks who can become great quarterbacks if they maintain a high level of play.

Eli played a solid game yesterday, but that game was won on the backs of the defense.

Eli has a ring, Rivers does not. I don't think you can objectively claim that one is better than the other, but you can claim that Eli is more accomplished to date.

I believe Rivers will have a ring before too long, and then we state fans can vicariously celebrate a championship as if it were the pack.

2/4/2008 1:29:05 PM

I don't have a major problem with Eli. It's his family that annoys me more than him.

He's been thrust into a tough situation and has handled the pressure admirably.

That said, I still think Rivers is the better QB, and I believe I am being objective. Eli threw up a lot of prayers that game that got answered by his recievers. He had a good game, but lets not get carried away. He still has a career passer rating in the 70's, and he's never completed 60% of his passes in a season. He also consistently ranks in the top of the league in interceptions.

You want to crown his ass, then crown his ass! But the backlash will be funny next year when he reverts to his usual form.

[Edited on February 4, 2008 at 1:36 PM. Reason : 2]

2/4/2008 1:34:27 PM

The Giants defense beat the Pats. Eli had all day to throw almost all his passes and still sucked.

2/4/2008 1:37:20 PM

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"he did have control over being a whiny bitch about going to the chargers"

he did, that is true

but come on, us State fans (myself included) didn't like Eli before the draft...it was because we were pissed off that Rivers didn't get the credit he deserved and Eli got a little more credit than he deserved (re: invited to Heisman ceremony)...since we already didn't like Eli, him refusing to sign with San Diego just made it easier to dislike him more

although if you recall Rivers' initial contract offer, and the ABSURDITY of the bonuses (4 Superbowls in his first 6 seasons or something), the Chargers DO tend to make some wild offers

I'm just glad Brady had the best season ever right in front of his face, then he collapsed

I do think the Giants' Defense should've gotten the MVP over Eli, but again, I'm just glad the Patriots lost!

^i agree the defense was the most integral part of the win, but some of Eli's 3rd down conversions were pretty damn impressive...I'd either give the MVP to Strahan, or the D-Line, or just the entire defense

[Edited on February 4, 2008 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/4/2008 1:41:13 PM

I just think it's hilarious how many fucking Chargers fans there are in Raleigh now. Absolutely ridiculous. My buddy from Cleveland moved down here and still can't get over how gay that is. Lots of man crushes in this city

2/4/2008 1:44:55 PM

Well I got season tickets to the Chargers so you can blow me.

2/4/2008 1:46:42 PM