dear republicans,

John McCain is pro-life, strong on military, he stood behind Bush and supported the surge, and he's a fiscal conservative.

what the hell are you still bitching about? i dont get it. i really do think you're all stupid.

love,

joe

2/6/2008 9:34:33 PM

agreed

and hes pro stem cells, pro no bush tax cut unless spending is cut, and pro environment

basically hes a good candidate

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 9:38 PM. Reason : .]

2/6/2008 9:38:08 PM

only half of republicans are stupid. the other half are grudgingly supporting McCain.

2/6/2008 9:47:40 PM

What's with them deifying Reagan all of a sudden?

2/6/2008 9:59:44 PM

Quote :

"only half of republicans are stupid"

i'd say 90%

2/6/2008 10:01:01 PM

The smart half of the republican party was lobotomized by the religious half.

2/6/2008 10:04:34 PM

As a conservative, I don't see why every candidate has to be aligned with Republicans for EVERY issue. Same goes with the dems. Going against one's party on certain issues is a good sign to me. It shows that a candidate says what he/she actually thinks, instead of what they think will get them elected. The only two candidates (on either side) that have shown this to me have been McCain and Paul. Imagine if Obama came out and said that he was Pro-Life, but had the same views otherwise...the left would tar and feather him.

2/6/2008 10:07:41 PM

another bush without the taxcuts. No thank you

2/6/2008 10:34:53 PM

I've thought about making this very thread myself, except that I'm not sure how much McCain cheerleading the forum will take from me before they just tune me out and label me a fanboy.

I'm not saying he's my favorite polician ever or my political idol, but he's pretty damn good.

I mean, I'm pretty much in the Barry Goldwater vein of conservatism (albeit a little more towards the pragmatic side, where Goldwater was somewhat more of an ideologue...and also somewhat more hawkish than I am), and largely a fan of Reagan.

If McCain is MY choice (although I do like Ron Paul), exactly where in the hell do these morons get off flipping a bitch about him for being "too liberal"? It's absurd.

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 10:41 PM. Reason : ^hell no. That statement is almost comical.]

2/6/2008 10:40:06 PM

dear republicansdemocrats,

John McCainObama is pro-life, strong on military, he stood behind Bush and supported the surge, and he's a fiscal conservative not really ever saying anything. He has no plan and you all get hard-ons when you hear the word "change." It's nothing but puffery.


what the hell are you still bitchingthinking about? i dont get it. i really do think you're all stupid.

love,

joeSputter



PS - this shit with McCain not being conservative enough is fucking bananas. I agree with you on that Mr. Schmoe. God forbid the republicans put forth a candidate that is going to try to meet others half way and consider other viewpoints.



[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 11:06 PM. Reason : adfs]

2/6/2008 10:52:06 PM

Hillary Clinton has her hands deep in the pockets of lobbyists.

Hillary Clinton owned shares in Walmart that she sold right before running for office.

She's not going to change anything about this country except increase taxes to pay for all her stupid programs.

If you don't know what Obama's stances are on anything, then you haven't been listening. You probably don't want to anyway, since you're a Clinton supporter.

2/6/2008 11:40:23 PM

Don't let the vocal minority (that means you, eyedrb) fool you, Republicans by and large support McCain. I personally think he is the best candidate in the field, and the backlash against him from the talking heads on the right is comical.

2/6/2008 11:47:15 PM

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"Going against one's party on certain issues is a good sign to me."

I fully agree with you 100%.

I like everything about McCain except for his pro-life stance and his hawkish attitude. Although I think he would make much more responsible decisions on the use of force and the utilization of our military than Bush's administration. I would easily trust McCain's decision on military operations a lot more than Darth Cheney.

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 11:53 PM. Reason : l]

2/6/2008 11:53:08 PM

I actually like a lot of McCain's views, I just cannot support extending the war a decade if he were elected.

I think Hillary owes too many people favors.

I think Obama would be the best choice for his knowledge of constitutional law, and perhaps his proposed reforms to reduce the influence of monied interests.

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 12:06 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2008 12:06:10 AM

eyedrb: John McCain likes immigrants! Immigrants will ruin this country!

Grumpy: People said the same thing about the Irish.

eyedrb: Yeah, well back then we didn't have entitlement plans.

Grumpy: That's true. We had child labor, smallpox, whooping cough, a completely uneducated minority population and a largely uneducated white population, and a life expectancy towards which you are going to surpass in the near future.

I covered the first couple of steps of the argument to save some time.

2/7/2008 12:07:21 AM

^but the law is the law is the law. no law breakers

2/7/2008 12:13:32 AM

Quote :

"[I think Obama would be the best choice for his knowledge of constitutional law"

things like...the 10th Amendment...or enumerated powers...

Quote :

"I actually like a lot of McCain's views"

on what, exactly?

other than not being a partisan hack and being generally a good dude, i don't really get his appeal to the left, and particularly the far-left, which I view you as being a member of. please, for the love of God, help me figure this out, as it defies all logic as best as I can tell.

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 12:18 AM. Reason : asfdad]

2/7/2008 12:17:31 AM

Quote :

"ohn McCain likes immigrants! Immigrants will ruin this country!"

DEY TUKK ERR JERBSS

^ yeah i agree even though i do not support McCain on EVERY issue i think he his sincere and stands with his belief, to which i respect him a lot for.

2/7/2008 12:33:00 AM

Stephen Colbert's take on Super Tuesday:

"Mac is back, but Huck is not f***ed."

2/7/2008 12:33:03 AM

You don't see me complaining. I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain any day of the week over Hillary or Obama.

2/7/2008 1:38:24 AM

I feel a strange sort of satisfaction every time hooksaw posts a rational thought.

2/7/2008 1:51:12 AM

^ Makes you feel funny in your pants?

2/7/2008 1:57:42 AM

Among other places...

2/7/2008 1:59:05 AM

^ There's no shame in it. Despite the ridiculous image of me that some here have concocted, I routinely make men and women feel all tingly--not from an STD either.

2/7/2008 2:02:12 AM

If McCain is not "conservative" enough than WTF defines their definition of "conservative"


- Someone using god in every other sentence
- Someone who wants to pull the plug on medicare/social security
- A candidate who feeds into the "Dey TUKKER ERR JERBS" mentality of lower class americans concerning immigration
- Someone who doesn't preach tax cuts (even when the said tax cuts don't occur with budget reductions thus increasing debt)
- A staunt hardliner that does not compromise with democrats to help get legislation done.
- A politician who wants to be the moral police enforcing christian values.
- Someone who ignores REAL political issues in order to focus on protecting "marriage" from them faggots.

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 9:43 AM. Reason : l]

2/7/2008 9:41:04 AM

The deal with mccain is his imigration stance. He wants to give all the illegals amnesty. That's like adding the entire population of New York and Los Angeles to the country.

2/7/2008 10:03:01 AM

Quote :

"I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain "

I'm trying to prepare myself for a nostril pinching.

McCain will promise the conservative base that he will be conservative in office. It would be better to give him a chance than sit at home.

After four years, his true stripes will become very evident. If he's really bad, disgruntled republicans can work on replacing him during the primary process.

A crazy McCain would probably do less damage to the country than a crazy Clinton or Obama. How's that for a campaign slogan?

2/7/2008 10:03:31 AM

These are NOT the words of a fiscal conservative.

Quote :

""I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief.""

Also, from the wiki

"In 2002, Sen. McCain was one of only two Republicans to twice vote against the permanent repeal of the Estate Tax,[35] and has recently stated opposition to a permanent repeal of the Estate Tax"

Also,

"McCain has also called global warming "a serious and urgent economic, environmental and national security challenge" and said that the problem "isn't a Hollywood invention." McCain favors federal limits on carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions."

Big surprise some of you like him, say what you will about AGW but "urgent" really?

All in all he just seems like a political opportunist. I cannot shake the feeling that he will not stand by social conservatives when the going gets ruff.

The problem as I see it is that he will get trounced in the general election because he has made rather contradictory statements on the war, taxes and most things probably if you search long enough. He is a career politician, he says what is politically expedient, just look at his recent unfair attack on Romney about timetables. Straight talk? Really?

Moreover, he just lost the south and he won in California and NY will big woop dee doo. You really think that HRC or Obama are not going to get those in the general election?

Remember that no matter how confused you may happen to be about the electoral college it still exists and is legally binding. Polls that show McCain ahead nationally are essentially worthless because it is a state by state thing.

If Obama gets it nobody can stop him.

2/7/2008 11:04:37 AM

Quote :

"The deal with mccain is his imigration stance. He wants to give all the illegals amnesty. That's like adding the entire population of New York and Los Angeles to the country."

Thing is... they are already here, so you aren't adding anyone to the country. The downside to amnesty is that you've given positive reinforcement for breaking immigration law. Even more people on the other side of the border will want to come across illegally so they can cash in on any potential future amnesty deals.

I wouldn't mind seeing a program implemented that provides more people a legal path into the country. A program where they could be tracked and a program that provides paths to citizenship for those that are so inclined. Sure, we already have such a program, but it obviously doesn't come anywhere close to meeting demand. You obviously can't let everyone in, but the old program of get on a 10 year wait list and maybe we'll let you in isn't exactly working either.

2/7/2008 11:16:24 AM

I am a Republican and I don't like McCain. He is Bush, just without the cowboy boots. He has no trouble outlawing free speech (unless it is he that is speaking, hence his recent case before the supreme court), he has no problem violating the rights of Americans if it stops the terrorists, and he is a firm believer in an America that follows orders (bad outcomes are the result of insufficient government power).

Personally, I prefer Obama. At least he hasn't already told us how he is going to damage the country further.

2/7/2008 11:40:38 AM

Quote :

"If you don't know what Obama's stances are on anything, then you haven't been listening. You probably don't want to anyway, since you're a Clinton supporter."

Now that the Ron Paul Failboat hit rough waters, all the internet neckbeards are flocking to the Obama wagon.

If nobody knows anything about Obama's platform its because they're not really defined at all.

None of his plans have any depth to them which is why his message is "lolchange", "lolhope" more then
"this is how we're going to change [example other then electing a black man]."

If you're going to rail hillary, at least get your information straight and stick to the line that she's too polarizing for government to function because other then that all of her plans are lot more concise and spelled out then Obama's black box labeled [change] approach.




ps- It also makes you look stupid.

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM. Reason : And I actually prefer Obama to Clinton, *disclaimer]

2/7/2008 11:55:08 AM

Juan McCain won't ever get my vote.

2/7/2008 12:00:26 PM

neither will romney....he just quit.

2/7/2008 12:16:47 PM

Santa, what exactly is not defined or lacks depth about Obama's platform?

2/7/2008 12:21:44 PM

Obama doesn't have much of a stance on anything but people are voting for him because they don't know any better. The people behind Obama are the people who will believe anything that somebody tells em. I'm sure a big part of the Obama crowd logs onto myspace and facebook about 20 times a day or sits around watching tv all day.

2/7/2008 12:24:34 PM

^That isn't anything specific. Anyone could say that about any candidate they didn't like. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the people that criticize supporters of any given candidate by saying things like "you don't know their platform, you just like them because they are charismatic" know even less about that candidate's platform than the people they are trying to criticize.

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 12:43 PM. Reason : -]

2/7/2008 12:39:39 PM

ok then let me ask you this. How is Obama gonna pay for the universal heathcare? What is Obama's exit strategy in Iraq when he finds out that we can't leave unless we want to give up everything we have gained so far? How does Obama feel about Israel?

2/7/2008 12:52:53 PM

I would suggest reading his website for answers to those, minus the presupposition about Iraq.

2/7/2008 1:06:34 PM

I've been wanting to vote for McCain since 2000.

2/7/2008 1:18:16 PM

Quote :

" Bringing Our Troops Home Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda. Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile "

Compared to

Quote :

" Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families. "

One gives no indication of how the withdrawal will commence other then the number of brigades coming home, the other details who will be engaged in planning a withdrawal and a rough time line.


The healthcare comparisons between the two is even more laughable. Hillary has nearly ten different defined initiatives while Barrack has more of a dreamy single PDF rough outline of what he'd like to similar to the Clinton proposal but with less depth and less scope/ambition.

I mean look, support the guy on charisma and the fact that Republican's won't instantly nerd rage and froth at the mouth(thus making them easier to work with) but everything else about the man is pretty par for the course as far as what you'd expect from someone with his (lacking comparatively) experience.

2/7/2008 1:27:36 PM

At this point, I think we're sort of fucked no matter who gets in. Of the folks that still have a prayer of getting elected, I could live with either McCain or Obama. McCain won't make it 3 years in office before going to the great ballot booth in the sky, and I can't vote him thinking that, but I don't think he'd be a disaster either.

2/7/2008 2:03:10 PM

The point is Obama wants all this change and some of his ideas are ok but he doesn't say how he will do them. He can't go on TV and defend his arguments with people who will actually ask him real questions. He is just living off the media exposure from the far left taht is hyping him up without asking him any questions about his true policies and how he's gonna do them.

2/7/2008 2:29:30 PM

I don't think he'll actually be able to shake things up all that much in the end. At least the SOB can string 3 sentences together without sounding like a crackhead

2/7/2008 2:50:36 PM

So people hate McCain because he stands by his positions and doesn't "calibrate" to his audience pandering to whatever crowd with the way they want certain issues handled.

but...
"dey tuk err jerbs"

and whoever said McCain is Bush II is an idiot. Maybe Guiliani could wear the Bush II sticker but not McCain.

I really think those that label themselves as "conservative" (notice I didn't say Republican) are fucking loon-bats

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM. Reason : a]

2/7/2008 2:54:40 PM

Quote :

"The point is Obama wants all this change and some of his ideas are ok but he doesn't say how he will do them. He can't go on TV and defend his arguments with people who will actually ask him real questions. He is just living off the media exposure from the far left taht is hyping him up without asking him any questions about his true policies and how he's gonna do them. "

gg

2/7/2008 2:56:48 PM

Quote :

"ok then let me ask you this. How is Obama gonna pay for the universal heathcare? What is Obama's exit strategy in Iraq when he finds out that we can't leave unless we want to give up everything we have gained so far? How does Obama feel about Israel?"

That wasn't my point. My point was you'd be better off attacking Obama's platform using specific examples. All you were doing was saying:

Quote :

"people are voting for him because they don't know any better"

Quote :

"The people behind Obama are the people who will believe anything that somebody tells em."

Quote :

"I'm sure a big part of the Obama crowd logs onto myspace and facebook about 20 times a day or sits around watching tv all day."

Unless you can read minds you really can't make a judgment call as to why anyone is or isn't voting for a particular candidate.

2/7/2008 3:14:05 PM

Quote :

"That wasn't my point. My point was you'd be better off attacking Obama's platform using specific examples. All you were doing was saying:"

He doesn't have a platform other than change. Thats what I'm attackin the whole time.

2/7/2008 3:27:13 PM

I wonder where the McCain nay-sayers have been during the whole Bush administration; since a lot of his polices have not been conservative.

ohh never mind i forgot

-bush tries to emphasize that he acts on behalf of jesus
- he "sounds" tough on illegals (although he really hasn't been tough and his policies have even increased the flow of illegals)
- he appeals to the "git-er-dun" types but sounding tough on hostile nations with his "if you don't like us we'll beat you up" mentality.
- You gotta love someone from Texas (actually born in NorthEast but who cares about minor details)
- 9/11 changed everything!
- While the economy is getting shitted on he pays attention to more pressing issues like GAY MARRAIAGE!!!!
-

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 4:39 PM. Reason : A]

2/7/2008 4:38:37 PM

A thoroughly-defined plan is nice, but how likely is it that any of it is actually going to be enacted in its current form?

They are just to give an idea of where candidates stand and what they would try to work towards while in office.

2/7/2008 5:11:22 PM

Quote :

"A crazy McCain would probably do less damage to the country than a crazy Clinton or Obama. How's that for a campaign slogan?"

EarthDogg nailed it.

I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain only because of potential SCOTUS appointments. But a lot of my other Conservative buddies are claiming they will not vote in this election and think it's better the GOP takes a beating in order to regroup. I'd almost agree if it weren't for those 9 little dictators, and I'd much rather have like minded dictators on the bench...

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 5:45 PM. Reason : blah]

2/7/2008 5:19:26 PM