Event Info Name: SAVE CAMPOUT! Friday Rally @ 3 for the 3,000
Tagline: Students United for Campout, Kickin' It Together
Host: Student Senate Campus Community Committee
Type: Causes - Rally
Time and Place Date: Friday, February 8, 2008
Time: 3:00pm - 4:00pm
Location: Holladay Hall (near the Belltower)
City/Town: raleigh, NC
Contact Info Email: ncsucampuscommunity@gmail.com

Description
N.C. State is about to break all records for Campout on Friday with well over 3,000+ campers, as reported in Technician on Thursday:

http://www.technicianonline.com/news/2008/02/07/News/Campout.Registrants.More.Than.Double-3193977.shtml

Jay Dawkins, Chairman of the Student Senate Campus Community Committee, worked with University Athletics to make sure every single person who camped out for the entire night Friday-Saturday would be guaranteed a ticket to the event...

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...but then shortly before 5:00pm on Thursday, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs Tom Stafford announced that the Campus Community Committee's decision to make people *actually* camp out to get tickets was unfair to students who did not -- and he ordered that all tickets be awarded by lottery, with a set amount of tickets for students who camped out and a set amount of tickets for students who don't.

In an email response to his decision, Student Body President Bobby Mills supported this plan, saying "Dr. Stafford, I totally agree with you... I warned the committee about this decision [to make students camp out]."

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If your odds of getting a ticket for camping out are decided at random, and the odds of getting a ticket if you *don't* camp out are decided at random, there's essentially no incentive to camp out.

In other words, this was an intentional sabotage of the Campout tradition.

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At 3:00pm on Friday afternoon, students who are outraged by the Vice Chancellor's and Student Body President's decision to sabotage Campout will be gathering out front of Holladay Hall for a rally to demand that the tickets get restored so that every single ticket to the UNC basketball game goes to students who actually camp out at Campout!

2/7/2008 10:14:44 PM

NRLB

2/7/2008 10:41:00 PM

i'll go i suppose.

although it's not like speaking up against stafford ever does anything.

2/7/2008 11:01:32 PM

Quote :

" >>> "Dick Christy" <rjchrist@gw.fis.ncsu.edu> 2/7/2008 3:07 PM >>> FYI, Student Government decided this afternoon to distribute all available tickets through campout only. The online system was scheduled to take requests for the game from the general student body so the ticket office has disabled that feature. My understanding is that over 3000 students have signed up for camp out w/ less than 2900 tickets available. Student government notified our ticket staff around lunch today that they will 'weed' this number down to the quantity available. Please let me know if you have questions." >>> "Tom Stafford" <thstaffo@gw.fis.ncsu.edu> 02/07/08 3:59 PM >>> I'm very concerned about this decision. It is inconsistent with the agreement that has been used for the past several years to equally divide available student tickets between campers and non campers. Students who are not able to campout, or who have no desire to do so, will be completely eliminated from consideration under this decision. There will be a lot of very angry students who have assumed that they will have a chance for a ticket through the normal distribution process. From my perspective, this is a very bad decision. Thomas H. Stafford, Jr. Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs North Carolina State University Box 7301, Room 101 Holladay Hall Raleigh, NC 27695-7301 Phone: (919) 515-2446 Fax: (919) 515-8423 E-mail: tom_stafford@ncsu.edu >>> Student Body President 2/7/2008 4:11 PM >>> Dr. Stafford, I totally agree with you. Zach Adams and I warned the Committee about this decision and explained the necessity to only allow 2,500 students at camp out but they did not understand our reasoning. Hopefully everything works out. "WITH" Wolfpack Pride, Bobby ******************************************* Bobby Mills Student Body President North Carolina State University 307 Witherspoon Student Center Campus Box 7318 Raleigh, NC 27695-7318 Phone: 919.515.2797 Cell: 910.358.9748 Fax: 919.515.5898 Email: sbp@ncsu.edu http://students.ncsu.edu Tom Stafford 2/7/2008 4:37 PM >>> Bobby, in case we don't talk before then, I'll see you tonight at the Chef's Challenge. I've talked with Dick Christy again and based on your response, I think the best outcome is to tell SG that 1500 tickets will be allocated through campout and the remainder (approx 1400) will be distributed through the normal system. This will continue the agreement that we have used in past years. See you tonight. Thomas H. Stafford, Jr. Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs North Carolina State University Box 7301, Room 101 Holladay Hall Raleigh, NC 27695-7301 Phone: (919) 515-2446 Fax: (919) 515-8423 E-mail: tom_stafford@ncsu.edu - Show quoted text -"

2/7/2008 11:03:11 PM

campout hasn't existed since we had the epic campouts of the late 90's/early 00's-ish?

2/7/2008 11:04:35 PM

was that a question?

2/7/2008 11:14:47 PM

For anyone wanting the direct jump to the Sports Talk thread:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=513713

2/7/2008 11:17:16 PM

come on TGD, that link isn't brentroad.com friendly.

[Edited on February 7, 2008 at 11:18 PM. Reason : ]

2/7/2008 11:18:13 PM

this is all a conspiracy to get 1500 people to not show up for the campout and there won't be any problem.s

2/7/2008 11:24:56 PM

^^
haha my mistake, I forgot about that this should do it:

?topic=513713

2/7/2008 11:42:08 PM

so i guess this is called off, if the rumors are true that jay dawkins saved everything?

2/8/2008 12:34:30 AM

THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH TPC

[Edited on February 8, 2008 at 12:38 AM. Reason : aka william piavis]

2/8/2008 12:37:51 AM

for reals. we need someone who realizes what a joke sbp is.

2/8/2008 12:45:28 AM

^ That or someone who isn't worried about getting a recommendation from Stafford for grad school or something.

2/8/2008 12:52:00 AM

I'm assuming that more than 3000 people who didn't camp out would want a ticket. So if the tickets are split half and half between campers and non-campers, and 3000 people camped, then your odds are still better after camping out than for people who went through the "normal" selection process.

So this doesn't mean campout is meaningless.

2/8/2008 12:57:18 AM

it's still bullshit. but supposedly they fixed it, so all is well.

2/8/2008 12:58:19 AM

these are the things that make me not miss nc state at all

2/8/2008 12:59:36 AM

hopefully we can keep it within 20pts

2/8/2008 1:01:01 AM

It still sounds like it was piss poor planning, so I'm not trying to defend anything. I'm just putting the Rational Thinking hat on. They could have limited the number of people who camp out--which still would have involved a lottery, mind you--but it should be limited before tents were set up so people don't spend that much time only to get a marginally better chance of a ticket, and would have allowed people who were willing to camp out but didn't get a spot a second chance to enter the general lottery.

2/8/2008 1:04:16 AM

bobby mills sounds like a bitch who'll just agree with anything the chancellor says.


and breaking the campout tradition is ghey btw.


you people ftl.

2/8/2008 1:08:01 AM

[Edited on February 8, 2008 at 1:13 AM. Reason : Wrong username]

2/8/2008 1:13:11 AM

i understand the logic behind the better chances theory, but you have to let people know that beforehand, you cant just change the fucking rules in the middle of the game


im not camping out btw, it just pissed me off

2/8/2008 1:17:38 AM