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Jmhans82
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Head coach of NC State in 2009.

2/20/2008 9:50:37 PM

simonn
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lol, i've heard crazier.

i mean, attn: users.

2/20/2008 9:53:02 PM

BobbyDigital
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I hate our fucking faggot fan base.

2/20/2008 10:42:46 PM

Wolfman Tim
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Sean can't beat Herb

2/20/2008 10:45:30 PM

ncsuapex
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I hate our fucking faggot fan base.

2/20/2008 10:45:31 PM

packboozie
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Yeah even though Sean is an excellent coach and recruiter they won't hire him.

2/21/2008 12:11:33 AM

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who are yall supporting? this has been a season long plague...its players and coaching, and if a coach cant motivate his players, whos to blame?

2/21/2008 12:12:31 AM

JT3bucky
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you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink^

2/21/2008 12:20:52 AM

simonn
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i'm not so sure they're being properly led to water, so to speak.

2/21/2008 12:28:06 AM

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Quote :
"I hate our fucking faggot fan base."

2/21/2008 10:10:28 AM

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I hate our fucking faggot fan base.

2/21/2008 10:28:23 AM

J8ke
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why would he want to take a step down in jobs?

2/21/2008 10:48:35 AM

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"Sean can't beat Herb

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2/21/2008 6:53:29 PM

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stfu and gtfo

2/21/2008 7:02:03 PM

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"why would he want to take a step down in jobs?"


I hope this wasn't a serious response.

2/24/2008 12:50:15 PM

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Why would Miller ever come back here? His only connection is through Herb (well, and Archie), and Herb didn't exactly leave on the best of terms with us.

2/24/2008 12:53:01 PM

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I hate our fucking faggot fan base.

2/24/2008 1:28:29 PM

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we are such FAGGOTS!

2/24/2008 1:31:03 PM

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suspend

2/24/2008 1:42:24 PM

Jmhans82
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bttt

How do you feel now?

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 6:43 PM. Reason : a]

2/24/2008 6:43:07 PM

BEU
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I hate our fucking faggot fan base.

2/24/2008 6:48:20 PM

Jmhans82
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Good. Go celebrate our basketball team with the rest of the fanbase. Sid is gone after next year unless he makes the NCAA's.

2/24/2008 6:52:17 PM

Jmhans82
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Sean Miller would never play Marques Johnson aka worst point guard in ACC history.

2/27/2008 9:03:07 PM

BobbyDigital
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yeah he would have won a championship by now!!!!!!!!

fucking idiot.

2/27/2008 9:13:43 PM

Jmhans82
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^GO PACK?

2/27/2008 9:20:22 PM

Wolfman Tim
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http://baylorbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/drew_scott00.html

3/1/2008 6:24:30 PM

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bttt

2/15/2017 2:26:31 AM

Jrb599
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Head coach of NC State in 2017

2/15/2017 7:15:00 AM

Sandman
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LOL

2/15/2017 8:14:37 AM

packboozie
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JT3bucky doesn't have a clue

2/15/2017 8:35:47 AM

Talage
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Only way this would happen is if you-know-who flies a G6 full of Smithfield stock certificates to Tucson and hands the keys to Miller himself.

2/15/2017 8:37:35 AM

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I hate our fucking faggot fanbase

2/15/2017 8:48:20 AM

LudaChris
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I mean, does anyone really label him as a success at Arizona?

I feel like they've stagnated and he's recruiting well but his results haven't been overly impressive. At least not on the level of hype this guy was getting when he took the Zona job.

2/15/2017 8:50:02 AM

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2009–10 Arizona 16–15 10–8 4th
2010–11 Arizona 30–8 14–4 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2011–12 Arizona 23–12 12–6 4th NIT First Round
2012–13 Arizona 27–8 12–6 2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2013–14 Arizona 33–5 15–3 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2014–15 Arizona 34–4 16–2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2015–16 Arizona 25–9 12–6 3rd NCAA First Round
2016–17 Arizona 23–3 12–1

At what school would that not be a success???

2/15/2017 9:53:27 AM

LudaChris
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OK, let's match this with recruits(247) and preseason expectations:

09-10 - #12 class, NR preseason, Missed tourney
10-11 - #36 class, NR preseason, Elite 8
11-12 - #4 class, #16 preseason, NIT
12-13 - #3 class, #12 preseason, Sweet 16
13-14 - #11 class, #6 preseason, Elite 8
14-15 - #3 class, #2 preseason, Won Conference, Elite 8
15-16 - #3 class, #12 preaseason, First Round
16-17 - #6 class, #10 preaseason, ???

You're talking about a guy who in the last 6 years is averaging having the #5 class each season, so a WEALTH of talent, and to show for it, he's won 1 conference championship(tournament) and he's never made it past the Elite 8.

So you're Arizona, you have the #6 highest paid coach in men's basketball, and after 7 seasons you have 1 conference championship and no Final Four appearances. I never said he was a bum, but I think he's kind of peaked and they're basically on a plateau. It's clearly not the talent and I don't consider the Pac-12 a super strong bball conference.

I mean he could win it all this year and all that goes out the window, but looking at his track record, does anyone really not expect him to flop in the tournament?

[Edited on February 15, 2017 at 10:15 AM. Reason : .]

2/15/2017 10:15:39 AM

jocristian
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That's not the point where you double down and call Sean Miller mediocre dude... your crazy is showing a bit.

2/15/2017 10:22:07 AM

packboozie
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"does anyone really not expect him to flop in the tournament?"


If making Elite Eights is flopping then sign me up. Plus the dude is 48. Roy Williams is 66 and has 6 conference titles. Lute Olson was a legend at Zona and won 4 conference titles in 24 years. Sean Miller is far from done.

2/15/2017 10:26:12 AM

LudaChris
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He was #12 preseason and made the Sweet 16, he was #12 preseason and made the 1st round, he was #16 preseason and MISSED THE TOURNAMENT.

So yeah, he either flops or makes the Elite 8 I guess. So yeah, I guess the hope is they keep landing top 10 classes until all the great coaches actually retire and hope no other great coaches replace them?

2/15/2017 10:30:12 AM

sgb
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Honestly we shouldn't be settling for anyone that is over the age of 45 and hasn't won multiple national championships.

2/15/2017 10:30:29 AM

packboozie
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" he was #16 preseason and MISSED THE TOURNAMENT."


He went 23-12 and still went 12-6 in PAC10 play. What an awful year.....

2/15/2017 10:32:55 AM

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"Five times since his hiring in 2009, his bosses at the University of Arizona have amended his coaching contract with sweeteners, including multiple pay raises and 15 more hours of use per year on a charter jet.

In 2013, they even talked about increasing his salary by another $100,000, but Miller said he didn’t need it and declined. A year later, they awarded him a stake in a privately donated investment deal currently valued at nearly $4 million."


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"USA TODAY Sports’ analysis measured his compensation value this year at $4.9 million, up from about $2.3 million in 2011, thanks largely to an unusual deferred compensation package derived in publicly traded units of an oil pipeline and storage business."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/03/30/sean-miller-doesnt-ask-arizona-raises-but-he-keeps-getting-them/82383682/

[Edited on February 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM. Reason : tl;dr: no fucking way he'd come here. someone lock this stupid thread]

2/15/2017 10:37:17 AM

LudaChris
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I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I'm just saying he hasn't really set the world on fire like everyone thought he would when he took the Arizona job.

^^^Yeah, I'd say being preseason top 15 and missing the tournament is an awful season, I don't care how many wins you have. Hell most people consider our preseason #6 season an awful season and we actually made the damn tournament.

2/15/2017 10:40:54 AM

sgb
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What coaches have?

2/15/2017 10:42:56 AM

justinh524
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i can't believe he hasn't won 10 national championships yet

2/15/2017 10:47:20 AM

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death, taxes, and State fans being absolutely ridiculous during a coaching search

I can't believe someone is trying to make the argument that Sean Miller isn't as good of a coach as he is

if you had a boner for Rick Barnes during previous searches.......

2/15/2017 10:55:58 AM

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^I'd take 3 out of 6 Elite 8 appearances any day of the week.

[Edited on February 15, 2017 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ...]

2/15/2017 10:59:01 AM

LudaChris
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^^I didn't want Rick Barnes, and I wasn't saying Sean Miller isn't a good coach, I just said he has the feel of a coach that has kinda plateaued. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that, maybe eventually he'll break through, but for now, his ceiling is apparently the Elite 8 and he's working each year with a top 5 team from a talent perspective.

Remember how pissed off our fans got that we started the season #6 and went out in the 1st or 2nd round? How is that any different than what Miller does basically every single season? Making the Elite 8 3 times is great, but when you're preseason top 3, shouldn't you expect perhaps the Final 4?

I mean look at the Bills, you think their fans were pumped they made the SB 4 years in a row or pissed that they lost it 4 years in a row? I'm just a bit surprised Zona fans aren't getting a little frustrated given how much talent he's bringing in and they aren't even winning the conference or making the Final 4.

Arizona is basically the 3rd best recruiting team in the country over the last 5-6 years and the top 2 teams(Duke and Kentucky) both have at least 1 title in that span. How many years of being a preseason top 10 team and never making the Final 4 until he becomes the coach that just can't win the big ones?

2/16/2017 8:36:19 AM

sgb
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Sean Miller is probably the best active coach that has never been to the Final Four.

Now Rick Barnes, there is a guy that plateaued.

2/16/2017 9:59:23 AM

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^^you must be trollin. I think everybody here would love to "plateau" in the elite 8 most years, be top 10, and have a chance of breaking into the final 4, recruit great, and look all sexy.

You must be tralleyin.

[Edited on February 16, 2017 at 10:02 AM. Reason : .]

2/16/2017 10:02:19 AM

LudaChris
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Honestly not trolling, I think you're just failing to put yourself in their fans shoes.

Let's compare it to NC State.

Pre-Herb: Fans were tired of losing and never making the tournament. Most fans believed, "just being competitive in the ACC and making the tournament would be amazing!"

So we hire Herb: We start making the tournament most years, make the ACC Tournament final several years, finish 2nd in the ACC. So this is EXACTLY what our fan base said they wanted.

Then what happened? We wanted more! We wanted to actually beat UNC and Duke, win ACC Tournaments(Herb can get us to the finals but never win!), and make it further in the NCAA tournament(making the tournament doesn't mean anything!).

So Arizona is now a darkhorse to win the title most years, and they've never hit the Final Four in 5+ years of being preseason top 12 and having one of the most talented teams in the NCAA every single season. I mean it's much better than not making the tournament, but at what point is Elite 8 the ceiling for Sean?

Imagine if this was NC State. We have a coach who finally makes us relevant. But let's say we're finishing with top 5 recruiting classes every season, preseason top 12 most years, we're making the tourney each year, but we're still consistently failing to win the ACCT and still losing to Duke and UNC each year. We start making the Elite 8 every other year or so and then getting upset early in the tournament other seasons. While UNC and Duke are still winning titles and/or consistently making the Final 4.

How long until our fan base gets tired of never taking the next step? Do you honestly think we'd just be cool with those results hoping that eventually Coach K and Roy will retire and in 5-6 years we might be able to win the ACCT? Seriously? I think Sean is a great coach, I just think this board is way too high on him giving his actual production and I don't think it's negative to say he's peaked at making Elite 8's every other season.

[Edited on February 16, 2017 at 10:36 AM. Reason : .]

2/16/2017 10:34:55 AM

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