what is the difference, other than having to login to get on ncsu?

2/28/2008 8:00:07 AM

I think a lot of ports are closed on ncsu-guest so what you can use is limited.

2/28/2008 8:08:08 AM

im not sure what ports people would need other than stuff for filesharing/bittorrent...

2/28/2008 9:06:16 AM

that's really the only difference..."ncsu" allows for pretty much everything (because you log in and they can track if you're doing the naughty things), while "ncsu-guest" is limited to (essentially) web-browsing

2/28/2008 9:07:49 AM

I think you have a lower bandwidth cap. I am, of course, just assuming and pulling that guess out of my ass.

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"How is guest wireless different from the wireless available to faculty, staff and students? * Guest wireless is provided to visitors and guests of NC State as a courtesy. As such, the access is limited to Web traffic only (HTTP and HTTPS)."

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 9:12 AM. Reason : ]

2/28/2008 9:08:34 AM

There's no bandwidth cap. ncsu-guest is intended for people that need to connect wirelessly that cannot login with a Unity ID and password. You're limited mostly to web browsing, and cannot connect to most on-campus resources (like using a mail client to check e-mail, etc.).

2/28/2008 9:13:36 AM

Are you sure there's not a bandwidth cap? I remember residents had outgoing and incoming bandwidth limits imposed a few years back and I'd be surprised if those limits weren't the same or at least similar on the nomad network. Are you saying NOMAD users get the same kind of allocation as lab machines?

2/28/2008 9:18:03 AM

^yes, but it's limited to the throughput and reliability of wireless.

2/28/2008 9:37:21 AM

their is an overall campus limit on outbound traffic

2/28/2008 9:46:35 AM

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"There's no bandwidth cap. ncsu-guest is intended for people that need to connect wirelessly that cannot login with a Unity ID and password. You're limited mostly to web browsing, and cannot connect to most on-campus resources (like using a mail client to check e-mail, etc.)."

2/28/2008 10:21:59 AM

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"There's no bandwidth cap"

So are you saying the outbound bandwidth cap on RESNet connections (as stated on the comtech site) was not extended to NOMAD users? Also, what kind of limit do they put on incoming connections/user?

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"their is an overall campus limit on outbound traffic"

There's an overall campus limit on outbound traffic for RESNet users- but is there one for NOMAD users too? The site says "RESNet" users- are NOMAD users considered RESnet users or are they handled differently.

2/28/2008 12:04:21 PM

Are there two physical APs for these two IDs or is the same box broadcasting two ID's and placing restrictions on your connection if you chose guest?

/stupidquestion

2/28/2008 12:55:26 PM

Yeah it blocks aim ports on ncsu-guest and various other things. Can use aim express or meebo though.

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"what is the difference, other than having to login to get on ncsu?"

You know you can register your computer's mac address so you don't ever have to log into ncsu anymore.

2/28/2008 1:32:49 PM

http://nomad.ncsu.edu/index.html

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 2:07 PM. Reason : device registration]

2/28/2008 2:07:31 PM

can you register more than one device?

2/28/2008 2:28:08 PM

It LOOKS like you can, since it has the function "List Devices."

2/28/2008 2:31:47 PM

^ You can register up to three devices with your Unity ID on the site listed above.

To answer the earlier questions in this thread:

* I was correct, there is no bandwidth cap, except for limits inherent with wireless technology.
* ResNet and Nomad connections are managed differently, so caps placed on ResNet have no bearing here.
* Aficionado is correct, I believe that there is a cap on the max bandwidth for campus, but that cap depends on where you're connecting (academic building versus residence hall).
* The AP's used for each SSID are the same.

2/28/2008 2:52:10 PM

Alright, sounds like I need to run my torrents from campus then.

2/28/2008 3:33:40 PM

^ ah, but you can't do that on ncsu-guest, and if you do that on ncsu, your unity id is on record for when they send a letter to the university

2/28/2008 4:38:50 PM

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"To answer the earlier questions in this thread: * I was correct, there is no bandwidth cap, except for limits inherent with wireless technology. * ResNet and Nomad connections are managed differently, so caps placed on ResNet have no bearing here. * Aficionado is correct, I believe that there is a cap on the max bandwidth for campus, but that cap depends on where you're connecting (academic building versus residence hall). * The AP's used for each SSID are the same."

What?! Up until last year I used NCSU-guest in Burlington Engineering Labs and was able to access all the same services as if I logged in to NCSU. NCSU-guest was EXTREMELY bandwidth limited. Typical available internet bandwidth on NCSU was 10 mpbs, on guest it was 1 mbps. I only used guest because it was more reliable and I wouldn't lose signal if I went up or downstairs.

2/28/2008 4:50:13 PM

im only getting speeds of about 5mbit down, 6mbit up on "ncsu", same on "ncsu-guest". they are both 802.11g from what i can tell...

2/28/2008 4:50:14 PM

Yeah i'm only getting 2 down and 3 up. I guess it depends where you are, and the traffic. Because i know i've gotten a lot higher than that before.

2/28/2008 5:01:36 PM

^^ Are you in BEL? I wonder if they have a different setup than the rest of campus.

2/28/2008 5:11:59 PM

Also, if the bandwidth is being used by many others then less is available for you.

2/28/2008 5:55:33 PM

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"^ ah, but you can't do that on ncsu-guest, and if you do that on ncsu, your unity id is on record for when they send a letter to the university"

Ah but the porn industry doesn't agressively protect its copyrights in terms of going after p2p sharing. Besides it was a joke- and yes I was referring to non-guest.

So yeah, as long as you want to share legal pirated porn (aka no pedo) then NOMAD sounds like the way to do it.

[Edited on February 28, 2008 at 6:56 PM. Reason : ]

2/28/2008 6:52:16 PM

BEL? I was on 8th floor, DH Thrill...shouldn't be too many others on that router

2/28/2008 8:06:37 PM

Maybe 10 others- is the uplink on those gigabit?

2/28/2008 8:09:54 PM