TAMPA TURMOIL

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"Just call Tampa "Upset City." For the first time in NCAA tourney history a site's four lower-seeded teams advanced to the second round Friday."

I love the way they causally throw out "first time in NCAA tourney history"


I wish they'd also casually throw out "since the tournament changed formats due to low attendance a few years ago"


Don't act like something huge happened when they only started staggering seeding due to regional turn out like three years ago.

3/22/2008 12:19:26 AM

Does it really have anything to do with the new pod format?

Did it ever happen before?

YOU FUCKED UP

3/22/2008 12:25:08 AM

wow. what a gaywad



NC STATE ARENA USED FOR TOURNAMENT!!

3/22/2008 12:53:58 AM

^^ I don't even know where to begin with that.


It was all 12's and 13's. They would never even be playing at the same location under the old format.

It's pretty cool occurence but at least give the proper disclaimers instead of labeling it the FIRST TIME EVER and acting like history was made.

3/22/2008 8:44:32 AM

who gives a fuck either way

3/22/2008 8:45:50 AM

^ what i was thinking

3/22/2008 9:09:37 AM

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"instead of labeling it the FIRST TIME EVER"

but it was the first time ever . . .was it not?






I know the answer . . . an asterisk

3/22/2008 10:38:21 AM

I thought this was going to be about Italian Soccer.

3/22/2008 10:41:49 AM

everything in sports is one big * now

3/22/2008 11:30:29 AM

but it was the first time ever . . .was it not?

3/22/2008 12:23:09 PM

12 seeds were 14-30 in the tournament (31.8%)
13 seeds were 8-36 (18.2%)

So with a given set of 2 5-12 matchups and 2 4-13 matchups, the probability of all underdogs winning would be:

P = 0.318*0.318*0.182*0.182 = 0.335%

Even if you made the very incorrect assumption that there were 2 such regions a year under the new format, you would expect all underdogs to win once every 149 years.

So..I think it's newsworthy.

[Edited on March 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM. Reason : f]

3/22/2008 1:44:52 PM

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"12 seeds were 14-30 in the tournament (31.8%) 13 seeds were 8-36 (18.2%)"

Why did you only go back 11 years?

3/22/2008 2:00:15 PM

winner

3/22/2008 2:01:05 PM

go giants

3/22/2008 2:04:15 PM

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"Why did you only go back 11 years?"

I got tired of looking for old brackets

3/22/2008 2:13:06 PM

I see where you're going with the probabilities but you're also using a mistaken assumption.

The 5/12 seeds are much closer in talent level than they were a decade ago.

So those probs don't really hold. You'd need to take the lines Vegas set for the games. Clemson-Nova was nearly a toss up.


Put it this way. A 16 seed has never beaten a 1 seed. I think only four 2 seeds have ever beaten a 15. I know the Richmond Spiders were the first when they beat the Cuse in 1991 on their way to the sweet 16 (beat #10 temple too). Steve Nash did it with Santa Clara (arizona maybe?). South Carolina choked back to back years as a #2 (Coppin State?) and a #3 seed first round. Then of course Jamal Tinsley's ISU cyclones got beat by Hampton. I still can't get the burned image out of my brain of their coach doing mad spread eagle with his bulge floppign around midcourt.

So the chances of a 2,3,6,7 or a 1,4,5,8 all losing on the same day are still way crazier I think than a couple of 5/12, 4/13 upsets in games that were <10 point spreads.

3/22/2008 4:40:58 PM

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"I got tired of looking for old brackets"

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4j3CQXJgFjGpvqRqCKOcAFfj_zcVH1v_QD9gtzQiHJHRUUAc0tpTA!!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfTFU!?CONTENT_URL=http://www2.ncaa.org/portal/media_and_events/ncaa_publications/records_books/winter/basketball/index.html

[Edited on March 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM. Reason : click view/download & they're all towards the end of the pdf]

3/22/2008 5:12:26 PM

Tinyurl, you fucking asshole.

3/22/2008 5:18:12 PM

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"Clemson-Nova was nearly a toss up."

The moneyline was
Clemson -275
Villanova +235

3/22/2008 5:50:05 PM

^yeh, i believe clemson was giving 6 last i saw

& uconn was >10 pt favorites (granted it was 11)

3/22/2008 5:58:37 PM

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"I see where you're going with the probabilities but you're also using a mistaken assumption. The 5/12 seeds are much closer in talent level than they were a decade ago. So those probs don't really hold. You'd need to take the lines Vegas set for the games. Clemson-Nova was nearly a toss up. Put it this way. A 16 seed has never beaten a 1 seed. I think only four 2 seeds have ever beaten a 15. I know the Richmond Spiders were the first when they beat the Cuse in 1991 on their way to the sweet 16 (beat #10 temple too). Steve Nash did it with Santa Clara (arizona maybe?). South Carolina choked back to back years as a #2 (Coppin State?) and a #3 seed first round. Then of course Jamal Tinsley's ISU cyclones got beat by Hampton. I still can't get the burned image out of my brain of their coach doing mad spread eagle with his bulge floppign around midcourt. So the chances of a 2,3,6,7 or a 1,4,5,8 all losing on the same day are still way crazier I think than a couple of 5/12, 4/13 upsets in games that were <10 point spreads. "

but none of that changes the fact that it has never happened before. when it starts happening every year, have this thread bumped and you will be vindicated . . . until then . . . stfu

3/22/2008 6:59:28 PM