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"2) A Duke student columnist seems to be veering dangerously close to Duke hatred: "As a member of the second class since 1985 to leave Duke without enjoying a Final Four trip, I'm not happy with how this team, just like last year's, struggled down the stretch....I certainly appreciate the effort the team put forth Saturday and don't doubt DeMarcus Nelson was trying his damndest. But Duke students don't sleep in the cold for two months just to see players give it their all." Oh, the pathos. My heart bleeds for the Duke students who slept in the cold for two months only to be rewarded with a 28-6 disaster and a mere three wins over Sweet 16 teams. (The Chronicle Online)"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/03/todays_top_five_ovechspeak_and.html

haha we would piss ourselves over a 28-6 season

3/27/2008 12:58:36 PM

what a douche

3/27/2008 1:28:28 PM

you sure that wasn't sarcasm?

3/27/2008 1:31:05 PM

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"28-6 disaster"

thats not a familiar phrase here in raleigh

3/27/2008 1:34:39 PM

Wow, you're saying Duke has higher standards than us? HOW COULD IT BE

3/27/2008 1:47:50 PM

wow you're pointing out what i said? thank you

3/27/2008 1:48:20 PM

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"you sure that wasn't sarcasm?"

read the original column

you tell me

3/27/2008 2:06:18 PM

NC State is not and never has been a school known for athletics whatsoever. Just don't think about it. Yea we had two miraculous years in basketball but that was before most people on here were born.

We are an engineering and agriculture school. You want sports, go to Durham or Chapel Hill.

3/27/2008 2:19:36 PM

^ regardless of what you think about our athletic program as a whole, our first national title in 74 was in no way 'miraculous'

3/27/2008 2:23:13 PM

^^

yeah it's not like we virtually founded acc basketball or anything. we were neeeever known for sports.

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 2:24 PM. Reason : dhj]

3/27/2008 2:24:02 PM

when app state could put a hurting on what we call a football team, its time to throw in the towel people


Jimmy V was a good coach because he knew to pay players

not get a bunch of idiots that graduate to the NBA DL

3/27/2008 2:27:18 PM

yeah i'd rather go to durham or chapel hill so I can watch a talented football team...

3/27/2008 2:27:25 PM

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"Yea we had two miraculous years in basketball but that was before most people on here were born. "

So 'miraculous that in a 2 year span we went 57-1? (Edit: And losing only to the UCLA dynasty)

We should have 3 national championships (P.S. Thanks Dean Smiff)

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"when app state could put a hurting on what we call a football team, its time to throw in the towel people "

That is true

Sincerely,

Michigan (The winningest program in Div 1 football)

(And as I remember, last time we played, we beat App pretty handily...and they won the National Championship that year as well)

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"Jimmy V was a good coach because he knew to pay players"

See, now you're just making shit up.


[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM. Reason : ]

3/27/2008 2:29:15 PM

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"when app state could put a hurting on what we call a football team"

so why didn't they?

3/27/2008 2:31:01 PM

THA TARHEELS COULD SWEEP THE LAKERS IN A BEST OF 7

3/27/2008 2:37:07 PM

Our championships more than 20 years ago are really starting to lose their luster. I'd give it about 10 years and our history will have about as much weight as the San Francisco's, Marquette's, and Villanova's of the college basketball world. At some point we need to make another run, or our recent history starts to really pull our overall program down with the rest of the "mediocres."

3/27/2008 2:43:16 PM

At least our recent basketball standouts like Grundy, Hodge, Evtimov, and Atsur have decent NBA careers.

Given another year to develop, maybe TA McLendon could make the Pro Bowl

3/27/2008 2:46:16 PM

Its not Grundy's fault the NBA never realized his greatness...

3/27/2008 2:52:57 PM

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"when app state could put a hurting on what we call a football team, its time to throw in the towel people Jimmy V was a good coach because he knew to pay players not get a bunch of idiots that graduate to the NBA DL"

do you want to join Howard?

3/27/2008 2:56:10 PM

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"I'd give it about 10 years and our history will have about as much weight as the San Francisco's, Marquette's, and Villanova's of the college basketball world"

I agree somewhat, but Marquette and Villanova each have one title in their school's history...State has 2

there are only (iirc) 5 schools with more titles than us (and a few with 2 also)

UCLA, Indiana, UNC, Duke, Kentucky

arguably the top 5 college basketball programs of all time

we're on the 2nd tier with a few other schools with 2 titles...Kansas, Michigan State, Louisville

while nobody really remembers Bill Russell leading San Fran to a couple titles back in the 50s, at least our most recent one is in the 80s...but yeah we need to get something going...at least an acc title or a final four sometime in the next 5-6 years

3/27/2008 3:11:04 PM

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"Quote : "Jimmy V was a good coach because he knew to pay players" See, now you're just making shit up. "

I'm reading Personal Fouls right now and its hard to believe what our administration did for players in the 80's; money, cars, jewlery, etc... Yall see that pic of the Clemson dude holding $20,000 in cash and the dumbass takes a picture of himself w/ the money and puts it on myspace......I'm glad college athletes like him are such intelligent contributors to this society

3/27/2008 3:20:15 PM

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"we're on the 2nd tier with a few other schools with 2 titles...Kansas, Michigan State, Louisville "

Sure, we may have 2 titles, but we aren't anywhere close to those programs.

3/27/2008 3:47:27 PM

If you're taking Personal Fouls as the gospel, you're a moron.

Just saying. It's not the most unbiased piece of work out there.

3/27/2008 3:48:21 PM

^^why not? those 3 schools are still dancing so they're obviously having better seasons than us, but what makes us "not anywhere close" to them? Whens the last time Louisville won a title? Who is the last baller they put in the NBA, Pervis Ellison?

Pitino and Izzo are two of the best coaches in the game right now, that'd be about the only reason you could say their programs are better than ours

3/27/2008 3:50:07 PM

ahem... I think you may have missed a school with two titles?

Anyway... We haven't been a consistently great program since the mid-70s. I think that much is not debateable. That's not to say we can't be again, but the odds are certainly stacked against us.

^ Louisville has TONS more Final Fours and has far more recent success than us. I wouldn't hesistate at all to put them ahead of us...

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 3:55 PM. Reason : x]

3/27/2008 3:55:02 PM

i missed Florida also but I figured the Gators and your boys up in Connecticut have won recently enough where they're still viewed as modern powerhouses...ie the dumbasses in my bracket pool picking UConn to get to the Final Four

3/27/2008 3:56:07 PM

State still has more basketball tradition than the rest of the ACC combined, minus dook and uncch.

3/27/2008 4:03:43 PM

not to derail your argument, twista, but i think francisco garcia gets significant pt with the kings.

3/27/2008 4:04:55 PM

UCLA, Indiana, UNC, Duke, Kentucky

only 2 of those 5 are in the same state

hey they're in our state that'll make things easy on us!

^yeah i forgot about him...he's ok, he got a lot more minutes when kevin martin was injured...powell is actually getting some minutes for the clippers with brand out all year...wish he wouldve waited a couple more years to declare for the draft

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2008 4:05:05 PM

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"I'm reading Personal Fouls right now and its hard to believe what our administration did for players in the 80's; money, cars, jewlery, etc... Yall see that pic of the Clemson dude holding $20,000 in cash and the dumbass takes a picture of himself w/ the money and puts it on myspace......I'm glad college athletes like him are such intelligent contributors to this society"

You lost me at 'I'm reading Personal Fouls'

Every name and date in that book is completely misspelled or the dates don't match the player.

That book is a hatchet job at best.

3 Separate NCAA investigations proved the only illegal things done in his program were players selling thier shoes and ACC Tourney tickets. That's it

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"I agree somewhat, but Marquette and Villanova each have one title in their school's history...State has 2 there are only (iirc) 5 schools with more titles than us (and a few with 2 also) UCLA, Indiana, UNC, Duke, Kentucky arguably the top 5 college basketball programs of all time we're on the 2nd tier with a few other schools with 2 titles...Kansas, Michigan State, Louisville while nobody really remembers Bill Russell leading San Fran to a couple titles back in the 50s, at least our most recent one is in the 80s...but yeah we need to get something going...at least an acc title or a final four sometime in the next 5-6 years "

Not that I'm disagreeing and saying we're a dynasty, but another intesting statistic:

NC State is one of only 7 (That i can think of) programs that have won a National Title under two (or more) different coaches.

UNC
Kentucky
NC State
UCLA
Michigan State
Indiana
Kansas

Not bad company


[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 4:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/27/2008 4:05:07 PM

yea twista, both powell and simmons coulda been quality big men in the nba (not that the opportunity has passed em by by any means) with another year or two in college and perhaps a different coach.

3/27/2008 4:07:48 PM

^^we've got good history we just have some type of expectations that we should be able to get back to that point...some have different expectations than others, but historically we are a very solid program...but it just happens that 2 of the top 5 programs of all time are within a half hour drive from us...louisville for example only has to deal with being in the shadow of 1 kentucky...usc or california only have to worry about being in the shadow of 1 UCLA...we have 2 shadows although hopefully K's recruiting will continue to fall off

^one thing i'll give herb credit for is he did recruit a few nba caliber players...simmons, powell, even hodge...hopefully they can continue to improve their play and make a national name for themselves in the nba...also hopefully the heat sign hodge to a 10-dayer

3/27/2008 4:08:02 PM

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"We are an engineering and agriculture school. You want sports, go to Durham or Chapel Hill."

Duke is HORRIBLE at every sport outside of men's and women's basketball and maybe wrestling.

WTF are you talking about?

3/27/2008 4:08:57 PM

I do know that when Valvano stepped down, we were 15th in all time win pct.

Even after a few decades of dormancy, we're still like 22nd

3/27/2008 4:09:55 PM

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"Duke is HORRIBLE at every sport outside of men's and women's basketball and maybe wrestling."

and lacrosse

and beatin raps

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 4:14 PM. Reason : and women's golf -- I think they've won like 5000 consecutive ACC championships]

3/27/2008 4:13:19 PM

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"Registered : 3/20/2008 (7.0 days ago)"

Doesn't matter this is an obvious troll.

Prolly MacGyver or some other faggot.

[Edited on March 27, 2008 at 4:16 PM. Reason : who cares]

3/27/2008 4:16:27 PM

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"Duke is HORRIBLE at every sport outside of men's and women's basketball and maybe wrestling. WTF are you talking about?"

Both their golf teams are very solid, with their womens golf team being one of the most dominating teams in all of college sports.

3/27/2008 4:30:16 PM

they are typically decent at tennis too

3/27/2008 10:01:27 PM

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"28-6 disaster "

this is why I hate Duke fans

3/28/2008 10:25:01 AM

^the Duke fan didn't right that, the guy that wrote the blog did

I do think it was a disappointing season though

3/28/2008 10:34:25 AM

the Duke fan didn't right that?

3/28/2008 10:47:31 AM

so basically we are in the top 25

like if there was a list/poll of who were the 25 greatest of all time, we should be able to make that?

3/28/2008 11:00:32 AM

^definitely

3/28/2008 11:01:14 AM

athletically, that's all they've got.

we'll be acting the high and mighty same way about football in the near future

3/28/2008 11:02:45 AM

so back on topic, there are some funny comments on the original story

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"We need to wake up around here. Coach K needs to go. The last 5-6 years have been about him and not his guys as individuals or the team. Sure he's satisfied with the season. Who wouldn't be with that paycheck?"

3/28/2008 11:11:40 AM

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"we'll be acting the high and mighty same way about football in the near future"

roffle, let's take it one step at a time here.

3/28/2008 12:01:05 PM

we're already the shit in bass fishing

3/28/2008 12:01:43 PM

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"We haven't been a consistently great program since the mid-70s."

NyM10 I have to disagree with that. We nearly made the Final Four a couple more times in the 1980s.

In 1985, had we beaten St. John's (one of the best teams in the country that year and at one point ranked #1 in the country) in the Elite Eight we would have been back to the Final Four for the second time in three years. We made the Elite Eight again the following year, only to lose to Kansas. In 1989 we made the Sweet Sixteen but got screwed over by what Billy Packer called the worst call in the history of the NCAAs, when we faced Georgetown. Had we not have gotten screwed over we would have faced Duke in the Elite Eight, a team we could have definitely beat considering we were the ACC Regular Season Champions.


I'd say we are one of the Top 10 Most Historical Basketball Programs

1. UCLA
2. Kentucky
3. UNC
4. Indiana
5. Duke
6. Kansas
7. Louisville
8. Michigan State
9. North Carolina State
10. UConn
11. Cincinnati
12. Oklahoma State
13. Florida (their first NCAA tournament appearance was in 1987, and they only have like 14 NCAA tournament appearances)
14. Ohio State (they have a bunch of Final Fours even though some have been rescinded)
15. Georgetown
16. Michigan (they have 6 Final Fours, and should be here although the program has fallen off a ton b/c of probation)
17. Arkansas
18. Syracuse
19. Arizona
20. Villanova
21. Maryland
22. Marquette
23. Illinois
24. Oklahoma
25. Texas

Some debate can go on between the teams in the 14-25 range. In some instances you could move a program up and one down, and it wouldn't really matter much to the rankings.

3/28/2008 12:48:14 PM

gotta toss San Fran somewhere in the mix...they're the only team with 2 national titles that I didn't notice on your list at first glance

but yeah 1-5 are spot on as much as i loathe #3

3/28/2008 12:50:37 PM

I was afraid to put them in there b/c I thought people would criticize the choice to put them in there. And I can't completely blame them. The Dons really haven't done anything since. I'd like to put them in there b/c of the fact that they won 2 national championships, and that Bill Russell was the sole reason why they decided to widen the lane. That had a very big historical impact on the game.

3/28/2008 12:56:48 PM