Dear 21-23 year old bar patrons,

Sure saw a lot of you guys last night. I'm glad you came out and enjoyed your relatively newfound rights! What I'm not so glad about is the way that many of you conducted yourselves in doing so. I guess maybe it's because you're so new to the whole experience, and certain nuances of the bar experience haven't been explained to you. I'd like to clarify some points for you.

1) Bars provide an environment that can allow for spirited political debates with all sorts of people, and that's a good thing. What's not a good thing is when you're a pasty frat boy arguing with three muscular black men, and you decide to close out your argument with, "So you n-ggers don't never vote Republican?"

2) The bar manager makes every effort to ensure that his bar is properly staffed for scheduled events. However, it is a tragic reality that many bar managers can neither read minds nor see the future, so unscheduled events (like 150 of you showing up in your finest Greek outfits with no warning because you apparently decided to leave the bar where you had scheduled an event) can provide difficulties.

3) Throwing beer bottles at the bartender's head and then running away is unlikely to increase the speed of your service. Ditto calling the female bartender a "fucking bitch" when she doesn't come straight to you.

4) I will generally ask you to leave politely five times before I lay a finger on you. If your desire is that I "Don't fuckin' touch me, man," please make some effort to leave during those fives times.

5) If you absolutely insist on getting run over by a cab, do so on your way home, not right in front of the bar. It's just good taste.

Thanks for your attention and consideration.

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4/25/2008 4:11:13 PM

sooo its this Greek Village? sounds like it

I mean East Village?

4/25/2008 4:12:49 PM

6) "Sweet Caroline" is not intended to be an excuse for drunk idiots to yell "BAH BAH BAH"

4/25/2008 4:12:50 PM

love it

4/25/2008 4:12:51 PM

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"Throwing beer bottles at the bartender's head and then running away is unlikely to increase the speed of your service."

Bwahahaha

I love the grumpy

4/25/2008 4:14:01 PM

Quote :

"sooo its this Greek Village? sounds like it"

No, but I gather that this huge crowd came from East Village (got thrown out, maybe?)

4/25/2008 4:16:56 PM

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"6) "Sweet Caroline" is not intended to be an excuse for drunk idiots to yell "BAH BAH BAH""

except at rum runners...which is probably part of why no one likes rum runners

lol

4/25/2008 4:23:28 PM

7) There is not a gold coin hidden somewhere in the toilet paper roll, so you really don't have to unroll the whole thing on the floor looking for it.

4/25/2008 4:25:04 PM

and this is why you don't go to college bars.

4/25/2008 4:28:51 PM

there should be a sign on our door that says "no pink shirts"

but they usually get the message and leave within 30 minutes

4/25/2008 4:30:07 PM

8) Just because a waitress is bringing you drinks doesn't mean you have permission to touch her wherever you want...or at all really.

9) When a bar is running specials (saaayyy $1.25 drinks) and you drink 20 drinks and have a $25 tab, that doesn't make it cool to only tip $3-4

4/25/2008 4:30:07 PM

20% is all that should be expected of us if you did a fantastic job.

4/25/2008 4:31:01 PM

nvm

[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2008 4:31:38 PM

^^are you fucking joking? Have you ever waited tables? I run my ass off on busy nights for $3/hr plus whatever tips drunk assholes decide to leave me.

4/25/2008 4:33:10 PM

dont bitch about your job

you can quit and get another one

no one gives a shit that you only make $3/hr

4/25/2008 4:34:06 PM

^^It must be at least decent money since you keep doing it.

4/25/2008 4:34:22 PM

i'm bitching about assholes. when my job quits being fun, i'll quit.

4/25/2008 4:34:38 PM

For chrissakes, let's not turn this thread into another debate between tippers and employees...

[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2008 4:34:50 PM

no, i've never waited tables. I've always had a job that pays more than peanuts. 20% is more than fair for your services. If i chose to 'save money' and only drink at your bar on special nights, then you should probably request those days off. The rule is 20% on the tab not $1 or $2 per drink.


^i've tipped well over 100% before...but not in any place these people work at.

[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2008 4:34:53 PM

Dear BARTENDER:

1) You chose to serve me
2) Serve me
3) Don't bitch as much
4) You get a lot of money for pouring drinks into cups
5) Don't complain. You are easily replaceable

4/25/2008 4:35:09 PM

if it's a fantastic job and the bill is less than $30 i'll tip 100%

4/25/2008 4:35:20 PM

20% sounds reasonable to me

4/25/2008 4:35:59 PM

actually, standard at bars is $1/drink. i don't expect a $20 tip by any means, but if i'm bringing you drinks ALL night long, i deserve more than $4 unless i'm shitty and don't do my job

okay, no tipping debates anymore.

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"i've tipped well over 100% before...but not in any place these people work at. "

You have a decent job and can't speak correct english??

[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:38 PM. Reason : i'm a stupid bitch]

4/25/2008 4:36:17 PM

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"For chrissakes, let's not turn this thread into another debate between tippers and employees... "

hahahah

4/25/2008 4:36:21 PM

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"i'm bitching about assholes. when my job quits being fun, i'll quit."

no you are bitching about something that you feel is owed to you

well you arent owed shit

4/25/2008 4:36:30 PM

yeah, the rule on drinks is $1 per

20% is for waitresses serving food

a bartender/barback is not a waitress

4/25/2008 4:37:20 PM

That's what I thought


I typically tip 20%ish, just because that ends up giving them more money than $1 or $2/drink

4/25/2008 4:38:11 PM

a bartender/barback is below a watiress. They just pour drinks into cups. 20% on the tab. not $1 a drink. We all work just as hard for our money.

4/25/2008 4:38:15 PM

20% for waitresses serving food is cool

but 20% for waitresses serving drinks is not?

4/25/2008 4:38:23 PM

Quote :

"actually, standard at bars is $1/drink. i don't expect a $20 tip by any means, but if i'm bringing you drinks ALL night long, i deserve more than $4 unless i'm shitty and don't do my job"

you know the risk - you know that some ppl will tip larger than average and some will tip lower - working in a bar visited by primarily college kids though you can bet that the number of people tipping lower will be higher

there's no shortage of waiting jobs out there - go get one where people tip better

4/25/2008 4:39:48 PM

Sigh...another thread lost to this inane fucking argument between cheapskates and greedy whiners.

[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:40 PM. Reason : it took all of ten posts to get to that point]

4/25/2008 4:39:55 PM

I can't think of any really outstanding bartenders/waiters/waitresses I've ever had serve drinks. They all seem like they hate their jobs and don't give a crap about their customers. Then they don't get a great tip, which just perpetuates the cycle.

4/25/2008 4:40:29 PM

i rarely tip percentage-wise anyway...i tip based on what the service i got is worth to me.

4/25/2008 4:40:39 PM

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"Sigh...another thread lost to this inane fucking argument between cheapskates and greedy whiners."

perhaps you should explain what the shit happened in further detail to get back on track

sounds like an interesting story



[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM. Reason : /]

4/25/2008 4:40:55 PM

if i'm some where like Sullivans or blue martini (and happen to get excellent service) then i'll tip better then some where like Hibernian or Stoolies.

4/25/2008 4:41:04 PM

10) Hey, local musician with a guitar, yes you're playing live, but no one (aside from your 3 friends at the front table) is there to see you. Stop showboating. You're in Raleigh NC. There are no scouts from record labels there for you to impress.

4/25/2008 4:41:19 PM

Quote :

"Sigh...another thread lost to this inane fucking argument between cheapskates and greedy whiners"

oh come on, don't be an ass. i gave up my argument. i do my job because i enjoy it...

4/25/2008 4:41:51 PM

if i were a woman bartender that was hot i'd fuck random dudes all the time and tell them to buy me shit etc

4/25/2008 4:42:57 PM

you do that already anyways and youre a dude

no reason to wish to be female

4/25/2008 4:48:46 PM

I just don't see myself tipping the same for a $2 drink as for an $8 drink.

But at the same time, that really doesn't seem fair.

[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:51 PM. Reason : assuming all beers, of course]

4/25/2008 4:50:12 PM

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"perhaps you should explain what the shit happened in further detail to get back on track"

Well, it's hard for me to do because some of the info is sketchy and the whole story isn't really all that entertaining, but it's better than tip talk..

I got called in to work the door because yesterday afternoon a guy called us and said he was coming over to the bar with about 70 buddies after the Brett Michaels thing that apparently happened yesterday.

Got in, it was a pretty average Thursday (not much going on, a small birthday party in one corner and some people playing pool in back), and waited around. The concert people never show up, so I get ready to leave. But about that time, in groups of five or so, typically-dressed sorority and fraternity people start coming in, so I hang around in case it starts to get crowded and the bartender can't check ID's effectively anymore.

It rapidly gets to that point so I take the door and we call the only other available bartender. Apparently there was a LOT of confusion on the part of the Greeks, because several of them got upset when I told them they couldn't come in under 21 and insisted that they "rented the place out." Well, maybe they did, but if so they didn't tell anybody who is affiliated with the bar in any way.

From what I could gather they had started out planning to party at East Village but something there had not gone the way they wanted, so they came to us. We were horribly understaffed, this was a party of the size we'd normally have three bartenders and one or two other security guys working.

People got upset at the speed of service, and someone threw a beer bottle, which really saps the bartenders' enthusiasm to serve anybody. Compounding the problem was the other people in there (normally we close it off for parties), most of whom did not get along well with the Greek crowd and vice versa.

----

Oh well, at least I don't have to work tonight. I'm-a bow out of this thread for now.

[Edited on April 25, 2008 at 4:53 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2008 4:51:23 PM

seriously...attractive women have it made...i bet they walk into rooms and think to themselves that they could get with any dude they wanted to

4/25/2008 4:53:48 PM

I am typically a $1 per drink person, usually at EV I will do $1 per two drinks if I get them at the bar. Given I am drinking coors light which is only $1.50. If its an LIT, I'll tip $1 even when getting it myself since that requires some effort to make.

4/25/2008 4:54:03 PM

what bar was this?^^^

4/25/2008 4:58:20 PM

On a related yet unrelated note, I saw Melissapat83 last night.

I had forgotten how hot she is.

4/25/2008 5:07:35 PM

I plan on writing a small book about proper bar etiquette one day. How to act, order drinks, tip, what happens when you tip well, what happens when you don't tip well, etc. It should all be common knowledge...but some people are just retarded.

4/25/2008 5:08:05 PM

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"everal of them got upset when I told them they couldn't come in under 21 and insisted that they "rented the place out." Well, maybe they did, but if so they didn't tell anybody who is affiliated with the bar in any way."

lol'd

4/25/2008 5:49:49 PM

WAS THIS AT FARMHOUSE???

4/25/2008 6:40:08 PM

I've said some of these before, but just to reiterate:

10) Most bars in which you can smoke are positively literred with ashtrays. Even if by some strange and terrible occurrence you can not find an ashtray, you are almost without doubt within arm's reach of an empty beer can, bottle, or cup, which will do in a pinch.

11) The following statements will not get you into an over-21 bar if you are under 21:

"Man, I'm not even going to drink."
"Come on, man."
"Man, I'm just here to see my friend and then I'm out."
"Man, are you serious?"

If you insist on trying to argue the point, you could save us all some time by just saying, "Man," and then let me fill in the rest of your pointless, futile whining.

12) The statement, "Leave the bar now" does not translate into "Please give me an impassioned explanation of all the reasons you could not possibly have done the thing for which I am throwing you out of the bar." Especially not when I'm the one who just saw you urinating in the corner.

13) Women become 101% less likely to go home with you after you vomit on them (+/- 1% margin of error)

4/26/2008 12:42:03 AM

I wouldn't mind bartending some time just to fuck with people.

4/26/2008 12:48:56 AM