http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/06/sdsu.bust/index.html

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"About 100 people, including students majoring in homeland security and criminal justice, were arrested Tuesday in an undercover drug sting at San Diego State University, officials said. art.sdsu.bust.dea.jpg Officials say the evidence seized includes 50 pounds of marijuana, four pounds of cocaine and 350 ecstasy pills. Among those arrested, 75 were students, one of them a criminal justice major charged with possession of guns and cocaine, authorities said. One student allegedly dealing cocaine was a month short of obtaining a master's degree in homeland security at the California school and worked under campus police as a student community service officer. "

Ok so we all know drugs are "bad" but is this not proof that the war on drugs has gotten out of control. All of these people were college students and except for the ones with unlawful weapons charges; are guilty only of possession and selling of those "evil" substances we hate so much.

Instead now of these people graduating, contributing as professionals in society, paying taxes, and repaying their student loans; we now have 75 convicted felons. 75 felons who will be a burden on the tax-payer as we pay for them to rot in jail. Upon release the chances are still high that they will never pull together their lives and instead fully commit to the on going cycle of crime we have in this country.

Perhaps i may bend and say fuck them for the ones who were also dealing in cocaine but a majority of these 75 I imagine were solely guilty of marijuana violations.

5/6/2008 8:19:47 PM

guns + cocaine = jail

5/6/2008 8:21:00 PM

A master's degree in "homeland security"? What kind of fascist bullshit is the educational system encouraging in this country?

5/6/2008 8:23:40 PM

also

Marijuana= Jail

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"A master's degree in "homeland security"? What kind of fascist bullshit is the educational system encouraging in this country?"

I actually thought about this myself. I wonder if i can go take

HS 430: "Advanced Interrogation Techniques" in Waterboarding

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM. Reason : l]

5/6/2008 8:23:58 PM

well yeah, for 50 lbs

im sure some of the 75 students will get off easier, whereas the higher ups will get the more severe punishments

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 8:24:24 PM

75 out of the countless numbers that beat the system...sucks for them but thats how things go

5/6/2008 8:26:10 PM

^^ but even the ones who may have been a small time pot "provider" with only 2 oz will have felony charges and can guess any chance of getting a decent job goodbye.

OMG high college students sitting around eat doritos watching anime what a menace to society!

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM. Reason : l]

5/6/2008 8:27:04 PM

i dont get what you are fighting against i guess....i mean everyone knows the risk you take when you do things like this

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM. Reason : they got caught, sucks for them but thats how it goes]

5/6/2008 8:28:16 PM

the war on drugs is more harmful than every other drug harm combined (drug abuse, addiction, etc.)

I mean

using the justice system to attempt to regulate morality and engineer society?

stupid

just another human failing to add to the list (slavery, genocide, eugenics, apartheid, patriarchy, etc.)

5/6/2008 8:31:41 PM

i think some of the laws for prosecuting for marijuana are too strict, but the laws are the laws and i dont see them changing

5/6/2008 8:34:46 PM

well those 2 kids who OD'd in the frat house hadn't died, the sting wouldnt have gotten all that funding. therefore, if you are holding multiple keys in your frat house, make sure not to leave the bodies around.

5/6/2008 8:35:47 PM

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"i dont get what you are fighting against i guess"

That the so called "war on drugs" is pretty much costing our society and making us worse off then the so called "harms" that drugs are said to cause in the first place.

5/6/2008 8:37:21 PM

off topic:

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"if you are holding multiple keys in your frat house"

shouldn't it be "kis", as in kilograms? -- like microphone is "mic" and not "mike"

whatever

5/6/2008 8:46:30 PM

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"50 pounds of marijuana, four pounds of cocaine and 350 ecstasy pills"

college student my ass. That shit isn't a little money on the side.

I'm not a fan of the war on drugs either. But making an argument based on the fact that they are college students is just wrong. 4 pounds of cocaine. 4 pounds. It shouldn't matter who these people are.

5/6/2008 8:53:55 PM

"In the United States, there are now more than 318,000 people behind bars for violations of drug prohibition, more than the number of persons incarcerated for all crimes in the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined" - Jeff Miron



That ain't right

5/6/2008 9:00:01 PM

^^exactly...its not like some kids got caught with a quarter ounce of weed



[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 9:00 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 9:00:20 PM

I did not really mean it like that. The point was instead of having a group of people who could have been productive members of society. We now have 75 convicts who will spend years in jail and MAYBE might come out to continue on with a life.

5/6/2008 9:01:56 PM

are they going to send all 75 to jail?

WTF, 75 people can't effectively organize something like this. I'd say find the leaders as best as possible and try to minimize the effect on the majority of the organization. Know what I'm saying, there's got to be a ring leader or some kind of inner circle.

I mean, daymn


But there are still things messed up about the law enforcement side of this I think. Imagine if cases like these were left to California and didn't have to have this federal intervention. Pot is really almost legal if California. 50 pounds might be another story, but I do hope that the kids just running pot in this deal don't get assraped for the next 20 years.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 9:08 PM. Reason : ]

5/6/2008 9:08:14 PM

^^Don't be silly. They won't sentence any of these kids to "years in jail" unless they have prior records. Most likely all but a few will get misdemeanor possession charges or nothing.

5/6/2008 9:13:00 PM

this guy looks like a real genius



hey i'm going to put explicit info about how much i sell drugs for in a mass email

fucking brilliant

btw wtf is up with those prices? 210 for a quarter?

5/7/2008 12:14:21 PM

those prices are outrageous

5/7/2008 12:16:15 PM

^^
if most dealers started doing that

how could the government stop it?

(brute force -- denial of service "attack" -- civil disobedience)

there are 100 to a 1000 times more drug dealers than jail cells

I'm not even sure there'd be enough handcuffs to go around

(oh wait, they've got those plastic band ones now.... )

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"prices"

yeah, that's like twice what it should be

but markets are different, right?

doesn't nearly everything in california cost twice as much?

5/7/2008 12:21:52 PM

Must be some of that Purple Haze

5/7/2008 12:22:23 PM

look at the text on the right.

hes talking about coke.

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM. Reason : pretty good prices in fact.]

5/7/2008 12:24:18 PM

^oh yeah that makes a lot more sense

in that case, they're decent prices instead of outrageously high prices

alelgedly

5/7/2008 12:25:31 PM

35 g's aren't bad for some of that white lady

not that i would know; just from what i've been told

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM. Reason : a]

5/7/2008 12:39:50 PM

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"Instead now of these people graduating, contributing as professionals in society, paying taxes, and repaying their student loans; we now have 75 convicted felons. 75 felons who will be a burden on the tax-payer as we pay for them to rot in jail."

they have already been sentenced?

5/7/2008 12:41:10 PM

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"alelgedly"

lol

5/7/2008 1:27:47 PM

just saw a story on cnn....haha bunch of damn san diego faggot hippies...they got what they deserved...i cant believe that one hypocrit was a criminal justice major...i'd give him a more harsher sentence on general principle

5/7/2008 1:31:57 PM

college kids

5/7/2008 2:44:02 PM

10/10. i think they'll all get off on probabtion. it's bad PR to sentence 75 kids to jail time for a little drug dealing on the spare time from studies.

5/7/2008 2:44:04 PM

any kind of sting operation is bad. until the suspects commit the crime in the real world, they're innocent.

minority report, anyone?

5/7/2008 6:54:00 PM

You say the cops ruined their lives.
Others say the kids ruined their own lives.

I agree that "the war on drugs" is a shame, but I've also never had two kilos of cocaine or 50 pounds of marijuana in my dorm room.

Something tells me these kids were probably some of the biggest bastards on that campus and the $100k worth of coke and marijuana is not the only crime they have committed in recent years.

5/7/2008 6:58:47 PM

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"Something tells me these.....the $100k worth of coke and marijuana is not the only crime they have committed in recent years"

what? what tells you that?

I didn't read any articles besides the one from the op -- was there any actual evidence of other crimes?

(of course, not counting the guns -- which really should be 2nd amendment protected, btw)

5/7/2008 7:38:51 PM

THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS FOR A GRAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 7:41 PM. Reason : it took me like 5 minutes to figure that text out cause i was like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

5/7/2008 7:41:14 PM

^^ That "something" is anecdotal evidence. No other comments are necessary, but if you think these kids are the poster boys of the agenda then, by all means, please put them on the front lines of the war against the war on drugs.

Like I said, the war on drugs is a shame. I believe the black market that has been created by the war on drugs is far worse than the drug use that would occur if it were legalized and therefore I support legalization. That doesn't mean I think drug dealers are "freedom fighters" or that they should somehow else be celebrated. If anything, I think drugs should be legalized so that some drug dealers can be eradicated. Maybe I have too much faith in humanity.

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 9:20 PM. Reason : l]

5/7/2008 9:17:26 PM

anecdotal as in what? what evidence?

I agree that the war on drugs is a shame, and that the black market situation is worse than the legal one

I also don't think that these guys are the "poster boys" of anything (no one's saying that)

but that doesn't mean that this drug/gun thing was somehow "not the only crime they have committed in recent years"

do you have trouble believing that drugs and guns were the only crime they've committed?

if so, why?

(I'm suggesting that you're exhibiting some level of drug bigotry)

when someone robs a store, that's no reason to assume they cheat on their spouse

when someone sets a house on fire, that's no reason to assume they've got a dui

when someone sell lots of drugs and has guns for protection, what reason do you have to assume there are other crimes?

(if you're just being prejudiced, admit it, and save me some time, cause I'm not gonna let this go)


[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM. Reason : ]

5/7/2008 9:49:50 PM

^ yeah no shit.

Ignorant American: "If they sell drugs they must be hardened criminals that go around shooting people and participating in other gang related activities"

I imagine a lot of these kids are just spoiled rich boys sitting in front of the frat house with their croakies on, drinking busch light, that use part of daddy's trust fund money to purchase some drugs to supplement their stipend.

Through a friend i knew this rich frat-tastic kid that was in one of those fraternities that lost their charter couple years back. Had a laid back friendly outgoing personality and the dude was actually smaller then me. Found out two years later that he used to deal certain "hard-drugs" mentioned above. I laughed at first but then realized it made sense. He had plenty of capital; and other rich friends that wanted drugs.

From what i have heard also all coke dealers HAVE guns. There is a lot more risk when dealing this then pot; and often the customers you cater to are a lot more sketchier. Not to mention your product is worth a lot more. If you don't have one you are going to get jacked.

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 10:51 PM. Reason : l]

5/7/2008 10:49:28 PM

FREE TEHM ALL SO WE CANS HAVE OUR DRUGZORS PLZ. K THX

5/7/2008 10:57:44 PM

How are you going to define me as an ignorant American and then go on to say this:

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"From what i have heard also all coke dealers HAVE guns. There is a lot more risk when dealing this then pot; and often the customers you cater to are a lot more sketchier. Not to mention your product is worth a lot more. If you don't have one you are going to get jacked."

Anecdotal evidence. I use it and I'm an ignorant American. You use it and ?
They're ignorant. Everyone is so ignorant. We're all ignorant except 392 and HUR.



[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 11:42 PM. Reason : l]

5/7/2008 11:40:36 PM

what "anecdotal evidence"?

(spell it out, please)

also, is there any actual evidence to support your hunch? (anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence)

just admit that you're prejudiced about this, or give some real evidence that these guys did other stuff

you can post funny pictures and try to avoid answering me,

but even without answering me, it's fairly clear that you may not actually know of any real evidence about other crimes

which means your hunch is based on prejudice -- that you are, in fact, exhibiting drug bigotry

(answer my question)

5/7/2008 11:51:20 PM

anybody with tens of thousands of dollars worth of coke and guns isnt some perfect saint that only sells some drugs here and there and otherwise is a model citizen...quit fooling yourself you must not know what this drug or the drug game will do to people

we dont know all the details, or which people were the kingpins and which people were just the runners but the main people who organized this dont deserve any of your defense for poisoning a bunch of their people

the weed might be a different story

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:15 AM. Reason : .]

5/8/2008 12:14:46 AM

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"also, is there any actual evidence to support your hunch?"

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"just admit that you're prejudiced about this, or give some real evidence that these guys did other stuff"

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"also, is there any actual evidence to support your hunch? (anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence)"

Aww man...You caught me. I have no real evidence against these mid level drug dealer college students in San Diego.

If you have some stories to share of coke dealers sitting on 4 pounds of product and living in harmony with the rest of the world feel free to do so. I'm sure krosser would love to hear them.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM. Reason : l]

5/8/2008 12:23:05 AM

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"Ok so we all know drugs are "bad" but is this not proof that the war on drugs has gotten out of control. All of these people were college students and except for the ones with unlawful weapons charges; are guilty only of possession and selling of those "evil" substances we hate so much. "

I read elsewhere that the entire reason that the kids were even investigated in the first place was due to 2 student deaths caused by overdoses in the span of 6 months or so. I think it's arguable that perhaps if this frat wasn't pushing drugs and having "sales" maybe they wouldn't have ODed.

5/8/2008 1:39:14 AM

I hope every single one of them go to jail and rot.

They made the choice to be dealers and they got caught. How many lives have they ruined by peddling their wares?

5/8/2008 8:06:16 AM

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"Aww man...You caught me. I have no real evidence against these mid level drug dealer college students in San Diego."

so you admit that you're a bigot -- that you're making irrational, completely unsupported, and emotional accusations,

based solely on your prejudices over the matter? (just say, "yes, I'm a bigot")

gg -- america needs more ignorant people like you

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"If you have some stories to share of coke dealers sitting on 4 pounds of product and living in harmony with the rest of the world feel free to do so."

well, pot maybe, but I don't really do coke, so I wouldn't have any stories

you, of course, are still suggesting that possession and sale of 4 lbs of coke means that they were committing other crimes

(just stop dude -- you are a fucking bigot -- you do not have a crystal ball)

SPELL IT OUT FOR ME -- I WANT YOU TO SPELL IT OUT FOR ME

WHAT OTHER CRIMES DO YOU THINK THEY WERE COMMITTING? NAME ONE

WHAT IS IT ABOUT 4 LBS OF COKE THAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THEY WERE COMMITTING THAT CRIME?

BUT THEN WHAT ABOUT ROBBING A STORE DOESN'T LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THE PERP WAS COMMITTING ADULTERY?

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT COMMITTING ARSON DOESN'T LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THE PERP DRIVES DRUNK?

EXPLAIN YOUR BIGOTRY

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"I'm sure krosser would love to hear them"

what, is he a cop or something? ooooooooo you want to get me in troooouble?

(grow up dude, I talk to cops all the time -- many agree with me 100%)

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"I think it's arguable that perhaps if this frat wasn't pushing drugs and having "sales" maybe [the 2 students] wouldn't have ODed."

sure anything's arguable -- that doesn't mean it's right or even close to being right

but beyond arguable? no.

when someone ods on prescriptions, do we arrest the pharmacist, doctor, or pharmaceutical company?

wait, we don't? but they advertised, made available, and sold the poison to the person

iow, how is an individual's irresponsible act (taking too much) only their fault if they bought their poison legally?

(that argument you're suggesting has never made sense, ever. no one put a gun to anyone's head and made them od)

(and in the event that the od was caused by impurities, that's just another reason to legalize the drugs for safety regulation)

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"I hope every single one of them go to jail and rot."

spoken like a true compassionate bigot

(you fucking suck, and your perspective on all this is 100% wrong. 100%.)

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"They made the choice to be dealers and they got caught."

yeah, caught for exchanging cash for drugs -- a civil liberty that should have never been prohibited in the first place

a civil liberty no different than the one that allows oxycontin to be marketed and sold for profit -- despite instances of oding

they made the choice to be dealers, but those that oded or were addicted themselves chose to not get help or be safe

(you lose, bigot)

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"How many lives have they ruined by peddling their wares?"

zero

they've ruined zero lives

the only lives that will be ruined here are those of the drug dealer and their families

and they won't have ruined them themselves -- the police and justice system will have

PERIOD

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"How many lives have they liquor producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

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"How many lives have they car producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

Quote :

"How many lives have they tobacco producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

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"How many lives have they gun producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

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"How many lives have they casinos ruined by peddling their wares services?"

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"How many lives have they nevada hookers ruined by peddling their wares services?"

ZERO. ZERO LIVES.


YOU

FUCKING

LOSE

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 9:46:48 AM

How many lives has everyone ruined by being human?

5/8/2008 10:06:24 AM

392 is so unbelievably out of touch with reality

he's bending over as far as possible to defend some coke dealers just because he thinks all drugs should be legal

regardless of how bad coke fucks up peoples lives

get a clue

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"caught for exchanging cash for drugs -- a civil liberty that should have never been prohibited in the first place"

i'd like to go sit in a courtroom and see somebody charged with pwisd of coke and have them use that as an excuse so the judge could laugh their asses out of the room

5/8/2008 10:08:12 AM

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"ZERO. ZERO LIVES. YOU FUCKING LOSE "

no, I didnt lose. I didnt deal drugs, nor do I do them. I am not going to pound me in the ass prison for said things. THESE ASSHOLES LOSE. and so will you. it will catch up to you in some form and i hope you post and tell us all about it.

answer this: so the chick who died due to the coke in her system that spawned this sting- her life is not ruined? her parents, friends and family are not devestated? you are a fucking idiot. these pricks deserve what is coming to them.

5/8/2008 10:08:27 AM

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"How many lives have they ruined by peddling their wares"

LOL

That is the most retarted thing i have ever heard. I believe you have been listening to closely to the DEA propraganda. The ironic thing is b.c of its high mark up; some of the biggest users of coke are some of the wealthiest most successful members of our society since they can afford to pay for it.

The poor and the stereotypical "addict" who we all here about selling his car for drugs likely does crack, or some other drug.

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"answer this: so the chick who died due to the coke in her system that spawned this sting- her life is not ruined? her parents, friends and family are not devestated"

More people die from drinking to much alcohol every year then the number of people who OD on all illegal drugs combined. FUCK BUDWEISER they ruin peoples lives and devastate families. Lets shut them down b.c their poison product hurts society!

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM. Reason : l]

5/8/2008 10:13:27 AM