installing program on MS Windows.

click a button, acknowledge some EULA or other, go get a soda from the fridge.

Total Time: 5 minutes

what did i learn? i didnt learn crap. i gots my program, thats all I need to know.


installing the same damn program on Linux.

intensive hunting through arcane directories for package configuration files, configuration scripts, makefiles, package handler repository updating, etc

Total Time: 4 1/2 hours

Well I learned a lot about my gotdamn package manager... one piddly dependency can't be found .... and boom! your whole evening takes a detour into the depths of Dependency Hell.



woot. i love it.







[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:37 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2008 3:30:11 AM

WHY I LOVE LINUX WINDOWS

5/19/2008 7:50:04 AM

http://www.furrygoat.com/2008/05/18/computers-and-getting-old/

5/19/2008 8:05:03 AM

They're giving it away free? It must be good!

5/19/2008 8:23:01 AM

joe fears the penguin

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 8:57 AM. Reason : penguin]

5/19/2008 8:57:08 AM

message_topic.aspx?topic=462075

5/19/2008 9:28:09 AM

What was the program?

5/19/2008 9:30:16 AM

Quote :

"They're giving it away free? It must be good!"

hahaha ftw

5/19/2008 9:33:44 AM

i've come to the conclusion, after months of attempting to use ubuntu exclusively on my desktop, that linux is really only good for a hands-off box (server or HTPC, for example)...it simply isn't worth the trouble when you can get windows for "free"

5/19/2008 9:37:27 AM

VMWARE is my god.

5/19/2008 10:54:58 AM

yum or apt-get is your friend

however, i agree with quagmire

i have a linux file server (ubuntu 7.10 server) that has a public ip address

add some stuff to cron to keep it updated, disable remote root login, and i dont have to think about it

5/19/2008 11:14:25 AM

^Have you considered using Amazon S3 to store your data?

Chances are it's easier to maintain, more reliable, and probably cheaper.

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007624.html

5/19/2008 2:34:24 PM

no because its just an old dual PIII box with a software RAID 1

and georgia tech pays for the power, the internet connection, and a baller firewall and the 580 W power supply that i put in it after the other one failed

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:19 PM. Reason : 

5/19/2008 3:15:29 PM

I LOVE LINUX BECAUSE LINUX HATES MY FUCKING WIRELESS USB ADAPTER

sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up :mad:
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up :mad:
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up :mad:
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up :mad:

5/19/2008 3:25:35 PM

that was my downfall with an old box. it was a dual boot but I could never get the wireless adapter to work correctly.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ]

5/19/2008 4:03:15 PM

i've been running ubuntu on my work laptop for about a month now and i love it. its great because

a) windows was going very slow after 2 years of poor maintenance, i didn't have the xp install disc, and i don't want to pay for a 7 year old OS or vista, nor do i want to have an illegal OS on my work computer.

b) my work is done on a CentOS webserver, so it makes sense and makes things easier to work in a similar environment.

c) i needed to ditch my addiction of spider solitaire. now i have tetravex!

but yeah, even though its not usually too terribly hard to find package dependencies, it is a pain in the ass and you just don't want to deal with it when you know the alternative is to run an exe.

5/19/2008 4:28:30 PM

# make
# make test
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
[FAIL]
# make install

Works fine.

5/19/2008 5:55:24 PM

^ lol, yeah, i've done that.

after i orginally posted this, i thought i had my target program installed. (Im trying to build CodeBlocks, btw...) then at the very end of "make install" it barfs up a bunch of gtk+ related errors

/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_window_freeze_toplevel_updates_libgtk_only'
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_window_beep'
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_threads_add_idle'
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_screen_set_font_options'
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_color_to_string'
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_window_set_startup_id'
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_window_thaw_toplevel_updates_libgtk_only'
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `gdk_screen_set_resolution'

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [cb_share_config] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/codeblocks-8.02/src/tools/cb_share_config'
make[2]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/codeblocks-8.02/src/tools'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/lib/codeblocks-8.02/src'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1

5/19/2008 10:21:44 PM

Every time I see a software install under Linux fail I just wait for the entire operating system to go down.

It's spits out so much information that there's no way that anything left running could be doing so properly.

5/19/2008 11:41:48 PM

spray and pray install. gotta love it!

5/20/2008 12:16:50 AM

OMFG IM SUCH A RETARD

my package manager (synaptic) couldnt find code:blocks, so i tried to do it manually and that's when i went into dependency hell

on a random whim, i just now tried it with "apt-get" .... and guess what? start to finish it built the whole damn thing 5 minutes.

i could have gone and got a soda, but i was staring at it in disbelief.

man... linux ROCKS

5/20/2008 12:47:30 AM

yeah I hate getting into Dependency Hell.

5/20/2008 10:38:49 AM

^^

LOL

I thought you worked for Microsoft

5/20/2008 12:20:28 PM

lol. i did. for 2 months. as a contractor on their anti-malware team. lemme tell you what I wasn't doing: building applications on a linux desktop

anyhow, i found another job $20K more than they were paying. and i'm not building linux desktop applications at my new job, neither

5/20/2008 2:37:57 PM

5/20/2008 2:57:42 PM

Why is it that wireless card drivers give linux so many problems?

(really, I'm curious)

I've tried three distros on two laptops and have had no luck.

5/20/2008 3:44:07 PM

I don't know, but it took me hours to get my D-LINK WUA 1340 (a fairly popular adapter) working with Ubuntu 7.10. After a few weeks of having to restart the adapter every 30 minutes or so, I finally gave in and tried an old Netgear WG111T using ndiswrapper; so far, so good.

--

aha

Quote :

"on a random whim, i just now tried it with "apt-get" .... and guess what? start to finish it built the whole damn thing 5 minutes."

I'm hardly a Linux expert, but how was checking the repositories not step one?

[Edited on May 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2008 4:27:46 PM

well I DID

sort of.

i mean, i checked them using Synaptic, which i have now decided is Teh Suck.

when it didnt work, i just thought that... well i mean, i though i could just build...


LOOK I DONT FUCKING KNOW, AIGHT???

5/20/2008 4:34:53 PM

Just use all the apt-get-like things when you need to install something. You might get 5 copies of something installed into different locations, but at least your bases will be covered.

(and assume that reformat, recompile, and install is a regular part of linux maintenance)

[Edited on May 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2008 6:46:59 PM

Installing Application in OS X

1. Double-click DMG file.
2. Drag program icon to "Applications".
3. Done.

Uninstalling Applications in OS X

1: Open Applications, drag program to Trash.
2: Done.

5/20/2008 7:29:17 PM

yum install program



done

5/20/2008 7:37:01 PM

^ yeah yeah, same thing with synaptic/apt-get/pup... whatever.

problem is, it's not always "done" when the dependencies are broken.

5/20/2008 7:39:02 PM

don't blame Linux as a whole just because of the shitty distro you use.

5/20/2008 10:28:45 PM

^reason why linux is so awesome

5/20/2008 11:16:51 PM

Quote :

"don't blame Linux as a whole just because of the shitty distro you use. "

linux's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness.


instead of 100 cooks stirring 1 pot

they're stirring 21039481 pots.

[Edited on May 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM. Reason : analogy]

5/21/2008 10:49:28 AM

naw, dude.

it's 2,147,483,648 pots.

amirite?

5/21/2008 12:23:25 PM

its 100 chefs and 1,412,441,745 guys in their basement stirring 2,147,483,648 chamber pots

5/21/2008 12:34:13 PM

chamber pots

oh snap

5/21/2008 2:46:43 PM

yo momma got a dependency problem

5/22/2008 8:37:12 AM

chamber pots

oh snap

5/22/2008 12:10:29 PM

yo momma got a dependency problem

5/22/2008 12:15:36 PM

chamber pots... Depends... yo momma.

now if we just make it to page 2, i will be the winnar.

5/22/2008 12:36:40 PM

ftw

5/22/2008 1:43:29 PM