PLEASE DO NOT RAISE SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES. I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND IT IS ALREADY DIFFICULT ENOUGH PAYING ALL THE TAX LIABILITIES THAT I HAVE TO PAY ALREADY. RAISING THE TAXES WILL AMOUNT TO QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL BURDEN ON ME AND MY FAMILY. THIS WILL EFFECTIVELY IMPOSE A MASSIVE TAX ON THE MIDDLE CLASS, MANY OF US WHICH ARE UNLIKELY TO EVEN RECEIVE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU READ THE WOLF WEB, PLEASE CONSIDER YOURSELF CALLED OUT.



But really, please don't I already pay enough.

6/6/2008 10:48:44 PM

Since you probably don't provide health care benefits to your employees, be prepared to have to pay into the "Public Plan" for socialized medicine that Obama will create.

PS you must be lying. All business owners are rich and can afford to pay for massive socialization of the health care industry.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:58 PM. Reason : 2]

6/6/2008 10:57:09 PM

^unless he really doesn't make much money, or if he just got started, in which case he falls into the exemption for that plan.

6/6/2008 11:20:00 PM

pwnt

Oeuvre - 1
Obama - 0

6/6/2008 11:48:23 PM

Making money is evil, and you should be punished for your wrongdoing you selfish, capitalist bastard.

6/7/2008 12:34:32 AM

I definitely prefer the guy who's going to lower government spending by $100 billion.

With magic.

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 1:26 AM. Reason : duh]

6/7/2008 1:12:01 AM

Was it $100 million or $100 billion?

6/7/2008 1:23:44 AM

^^ It'd be a lot easier to do with bullets.

"Sir I'm here from the governing council on pork barreling and efficiency. For every earmark you make, I'm going to shoot you in the foot with a very small 22 caliber bullet."

I imagine we could save tons of money by empowering our oversight committees with guns. Make sure to hire people who aren't washington politics "insiders" and it'll be set. It'll be like some sort of efficiency-focused gestapo.

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 1:34 AM. Reason : ^ I hope it was $100 billion. $100 million is a jerkoff amount for the government to save.]

6/7/2008 1:34:29 AM

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"I definitely prefer the guy who's going to increase government spending by $1.4 trillion. With magic."

6/7/2008 8:34:52 AM

Barack is a generous man. He does plan to help alot of people, however create more govt dependency. THe problem is he is very generous with YOUR money. I have a fundemental difference that I somehow OWN my money and property, he does not. Im all for helping people, however it should be up to me to choose what to do with my money, not a politician. He gains support by "promising" not to touch the majority of the peoples money(which is simply a lie), but they buy it.

His general attitude of punishing success and companies that produce jobs, products that better lives, companies that save lives is astonishing. The govt should leave them alone, actually all of us. I wish the majority of washington woudl take thier asses home and let me keep what i worked for. Or at least make it fair that everyone pays thier share.

He does make pretty speeches and posters/bumper stickers.. And thats all that really matters.

6/7/2008 9:26:44 AM

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"The govt should leave them alone, actually all of us."

6/7/2008 9:44:19 AM

Exactly... a society that encourages ownership always has a fairer distribution of wealth because there's incentive for hard work.

I work 16 hours a day and I can't remember the last time I had a weekend off. What do I get for this? More taxes... It is already incredibly difficult to run and operate a small business in this country with all of the government red tape everywhere... When I registered my s-corporation, I got a nice letter from the IRS explaining the penalty for not paying taxes, but provided nothing to help me understand how to pay the taxes. I had to hire someone, basically, to keep the government off my back so I can get busy creating jobs and wealth for other people, including myself.

And all that Barack is going to bring is MORE of this, more hoops to jump through, more money out of my pocket, more government oversight...

6/7/2008 9:45:36 AM

Obama has a line to walk. He's betting that there will be more votes from the people he's promising other peoples' money to than from the people he's going to take the money from. Let's hope that's not the case. The gov't gets way too much of my money now.

6/7/2008 11:14:01 AM

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"Exactly... a society that encourages ownership always has a fairer distribution of wealth because there's incentive for hard work. "

Is that so? What countries would be examples of this?

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"And all that Barack is going to bring is MORE of this, more hoops to jump through, more money out of my pocket, more government oversight..."

What hoops more will you have to jump through? Raising the taxes uses the same hoops and oversight as before.

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

6/7/2008 11:39:43 AM

ours.

Also, I bet you question the validity of that statement because your definition of "fair" is vastly construed to fit your ideological model.

Fair means, basically, you get what your work demands. Fair to you probably means that everyone has the same standard of living, no matter their contribution to society. I find that, inherently, unfair.



What hoops? The having to pay into the medical care system if your company does not provide health insurance.

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

6/7/2008 11:43:33 AM

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"Also, I bet you question the validity of that statement because your definition of "fair" is vastly construed to fit your ideological model."

same to you

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

6/7/2008 11:46:43 AM

no, I think I used the definition of fair.

6/7/2008 11:48:12 AM

i'll admit that there is more than one possible solution to a problem and that my ideas are biased, it's people who think that they're spouting objective truth that are obnoxious.

6/7/2008 11:49:39 AM

I wish the government would just do everything for me. I don't ever want to own a private business.

I'm one lazy ftard

6/7/2008 11:54:27 AM

you know what would make my life better? owning an ill-advised, failing business.

but, no, i have no desire to own my own business.

6/7/2008 11:59:14 AM

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"When I registered my s-corporation, I got a nice letter from the IRS explaining the penalty for not paying taxes, but provided nothing to help me understand how to pay the taxes."

If you're too stupid to understand the wealth of available information on how to pay your company's taxes, buy Quickbooks. That's what I did.

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"Fair to you probably means that everyone has the same standard of living, no matter their contribution to society."

(no hooksaw, b)

6/7/2008 12:00:00 PM

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"ours. Also, I bet you question the validity of that statement because your definition of "fair" is vastly construed to fit your ideological model. Fair means, basically, you get what your work demands. Fair to you probably means that everyone has the same standard of living, no matter their contribution to society. I find that, inherently, unfair. "

So if our system is already fair, how exactly do you think Obama's plans make it less fair?

6/7/2008 12:00:22 PM

Don't worry Oeuvre

we won't need your business one day. b/c everything will be free and government owned soon.

6/7/2008 12:01:49 PM

^^ By increasing the already high tax burden on the middle class?


I did buy Quickbooks. I bought the payroll addon. STILL, when the IRS sends you a letter within days of filing for your business stating the legal ramifications of what could happen to you if you fail to pay your taxes all the while providing nothing, not even a "file these forms" guide, it amounts to nothing more than harassment of an individual who wishes to do things by the books.

I eventually got my shit together, I figured out all the forms, I paid all of my taxes, and yet here comes obama, wanting more.

6/7/2008 12:22:57 PM

i like how obama hasn't even been elected yet and IRS customer relations are already his fault

6/7/2008 1:14:11 PM

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"Don't worry Oeuvre we won't need your business one day. b/c everything will be free and government owned soon."

and state property of the united states socialist republic?

6/7/2008 2:11:16 PM

Barrack will not raise ss taxes. JHe's surrounded by too many smart economic advisors - they won't let him do it.

I know most of you are used to bumper sticker politics, so it will be hard for you to realise that Democrat does not automatically = Commie.

It worked great for you the last to terms...OMFG GORE AND KERRY ARE BOLSHEVIKS, but it won't this time around.

6/7/2008 3:45:12 PM

Obama has already called for raising the income cap on SS taxes. That is effectively a tax increase for anyone making more than $100,000 per year.



[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 3:53 PM. Reason : 2]

6/7/2008 3:51:27 PM

BUT $100K/YEAR MEANS YOU HAVE MORE MONEY THAN GOD AND WILL NEVER EVEN MISS IT WHEN YOU'RE FORCED TO BLEED FOR THE REST OF US.

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 3:54 PM. Reason : asdf]

6/7/2008 3:54:46 PM

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"I know most of you are used to bumper sticker politics, so it will be hard for you to realise that Democrat does not automatically = Commie. It worked great for you the last to terms...OMFG GORE AND KERRY ARE BOLSHEVIKS, but it won't this time around."

Dude, do the math. Look at his spending proposals (ie healthcare) and do the math of how much we're going to have to increase taxes by to recoup this money. He says a tax increase on the "wealthy" will cover it, yet it will not. The math does not support his argument. Either he will send us spirling down the same path as the current administration, into a land of endless deficits and an increasing debt, or he will increase taxes on the rest of us too.

You've drank too much of the kool-aid and "take him at his word." That's the danger in this guy.

6/7/2008 4:06:06 PM

obama is either lying about his spending proposals or how he is going to fund them. The numbers dont add up. If he does get elected, I hope he is lying about both.

6/7/2008 4:18:07 PM

He's doing what Democrats do to get elected- promising voters someone else's money. The Republicans are just as crooked with different rhetoric, but the Democrats buy votes with taxpayer money.

6/7/2008 4:24:10 PM

its true, i've been drinking the kool aid

6/7/2008 4:24:17 PM

we know

6/7/2008 5:04:55 PM

odds are i'm still going to vote for McCain, because i've been his groupie since i can remember.

but i know Barrack is not going to be a lock step liberal. he's too smart and has too many smart people around him who know what the deal is. there is a danger of having him in there with a leftist congress. too many laws get passed and too much spending occurs.

6/7/2008 5:10:09 PM

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" i know Barrack is not going to be a lock step liberal"

despite the evidence to the contrary.

All McCain has to do is show a slide of his spending proposals and explain that and mccain should walk away with this thing. However, alot of obama supporters dont pay much in taxes so they probably wont care.

6/7/2008 5:18:16 PM

Ron Paul FTW

6/7/2008 5:59:56 PM

^ exactly. Obama's supporters don't have to actually earn their money, so they don't have any thing to worry about when the government comes to take more of it.

And the problem with the Democratic party is their perception of "wealthy." They want to tax the "wealthy." The problem is, to them, 40K is "wealthy".

6/7/2008 6:05:14 PM

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"he's too smart and has too many smart people around him who know what the deal is."

This is terribly flawed thinking and I point you no further than the current president.

I remember when experience was an issue for then Governor Bush who was running for President. He didn't have any experience. When he clinched the nomination and made Cheney his VP candidate, the press was "ohh wow, this is a move to bulster the experience of the ticket. Cheney, hailing from 4 electoral vote Wyoming is not a political move, but a move to put an abundance of brains on the ticket. Bush is following his father and putting tested people in his cabinet."

Then the media had a field day in December 2000 when the election was finally over and Bush started putting together his cabinet. They even called it "the most experienced cabinet that has ever been."

Look where those smarts got us. We're neck deep in deficits with no real way out.

Are we to trust that Obama will surround himself with "smart" people? Even if he does, can we be assured they won't do the same thing GW & Co. did?

All we have is what he's telling us.

If you make 40k or above, your taxes WILL GO UP. COUNT ON IT.

6/7/2008 6:29:06 PM

Dear Barack,

Please pick Hillary as your VP in order to completely alienate the libertarian and moderate voting democrats from the party; thus ensuring John McCain an easy win.

Thanks

Nathan

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"Obama has already called for raising the income cap on SS taxes. That is effectively a tax increase for anyone making more than $100,000 per year."

that is such bullshit. why should those making 100+ be punished for all the americans who can not manage their finances enough to save for retirement.


SS should be completely a regressive tax

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 7:25 PM. Reason : l]

6/7/2008 7:23:15 PM

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"^ exactly. Obama's supporters don't have to actually earn their money, so they don't have any thing to worry about when the government comes to take more of it."

what in the hell are you talking about?

all these "elites" now don't earn their money?

6/7/2008 7:23:48 PM

nope. upper class elites work for rainbows and candy corn

6/7/2008 8:02:15 PM

what kind of libertarian would support a Democrat? that's totally fucking pointless!

6/7/2008 8:04:28 PM

actually, I think Hillary being on the ticket would be moderating the ticket. Obama is far left, hillary left, mccain left of center.

6/7/2008 8:55:16 PM

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"all these "elites" now don't earn their money? "

Isnt warren always bitching about how much more his secretary pays in taxes?

I never said that dems dont earn their money, I said a majority of his supporters dont pay much in taxes.

Its real easy to be liberal when you get 30M to play a pitcher in a movie for 3 months work. Its alot more difficult going through 8 years of school, 4 different board exams, and having a 160k education worth of debt before even working.. then have some asshole tell you that you dont need YOUR money. Esp when you see the abuse and dependency it creates.

Im reading a book now on investing, you know silly me actually planning for my future, and half of this fucker is dedicated to lowering your tax burden and showing you how you can lose money by being in the higher brackets vs the lower ones(with the same initial investment, same growth, over the same period). Shit I dont blame people with money moving that shit overseas. Its horseshit all the taxes they put on you for doing responsible things. Invest your money in stocks and sell within the year..pay 30% capital gains tax. Sell it after a year? 15% (for now, obama NEEDS to raise it to be fair and all) Blow that money on drugs? tax free. Blow it on beer... 6% sales tax. Gotta love the gubement.

6/7/2008 11:28:46 PM

You are blaming obama for only lowering the long term capital gains tax? All of that happened when Bush and the repubs had control for everything. Basically, the Bush tax cuts are almost meaningless to me because of games like this.

The silly part is that even if Obama goes back to clinton tax levels, I can still do better if he also puts in place another round of house subsidies.

Which politician am I supposed to froth at the mouth over in this situation?


[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : And im in top 10% of household incomes, so im paying a shitload of taxes]

6/7/2008 11:40:26 PM

wtf are you talking about. Obama wants to raise your taxes across the board. Income, SS, capital gains.

I am morally opposed to any person who continues to punish productivity and responsibility to reward laziness and irresponsibility.

Ive just demonstrated how you get punished by the govt for doing responsible things, like investing. You want to blame bush? fine. I blame washington in general. Although bush let people keep more of their money. Always a good thing in my book. Imagine the retirement account you could have if the govt taxed you less, didnt tax your savings, or didnt tax your money when you pass it on to your kdis. It would only take a couple generations before people didnt rely on our govt to wipe thier ass, food, shelter, fucking, gas, childcare, healthcare, medicine.

6/8/2008 8:41:34 AM

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"what kind of libertarian would support a Democrat? that's totally fucking pointless!"

The kind who values civil liberties?

6/8/2008 8:50:05 AM

^haha. Like the liberty to take from others without permission. Those kind

6/8/2008 8:52:22 AM

It's appalling to think about how many people view the "government" as an entity with unlimited resources that can hand them out as it wants. I even talked to a guy with a master's degree who thinks that printing up more money will save the economy. A good many of the voters for Obama think that the govt is a perpetual cash cow, and the rest want to get or give away somebody else's money.

6/8/2008 8:53:35 AM