ever since seeing the incredible hulk, and reading interviews for the dark knight, i've come to realize that marvel's take on comic movies are a lot campier and, perhaps, more accessible. for instance, you'll never see an adam west cameo in a christopher nolan batman movie, but you'll see stan lee in any marvel movie. while dc hasn't been pimping out their biggest superheroes (yet - they've got the superman sequel, green lantern, flash, wonder woman, and the jla movie coming sometime in the next few years), marvel started it all with spiderman, then moved on to x-men, and now we have great movies like iron man. personally, i prefer the darker, edgier, less campy movies that dc have been putting out, but i think everyone will agree that iron man kicked ass.

anyway, discuss.

7/5/2008 3:24:09 PM

Actually X-Men came out a few years before Spider-Man, and Blade came out a few years before X-Men.

7/5/2008 3:36:34 PM

truth. i didn't really do any kind of research.

7/5/2008 3:38:55 PM

Blade? the one with Snipes?

Tha was a comic?

OMG WTF

7/5/2008 3:46:53 PM

marlon fucking brando was in superman

that's all you need to know about DC taking their movies seriously

7/5/2008 3:52:11 PM

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"personally, i prefer the darker, edgier, less campy movies that dc have been putting out, but i think everyone will agree that iron man kicked ass."

So you're just completely ignoring the Batman movies preceding Batman Begins?

7/5/2008 5:03:27 PM

^ yeah, tim burton's take on batman was dark. however, the most recent batch of comic book movies (they've become a pretty regular thing now) is what i had in mind.

7/5/2008 5:06:18 PM

i think he was referring more to batman forever and batman and robin, but i could be wrong about that

7/5/2008 6:21:55 PM

bat nipples

7/5/2008 7:50:18 PM

more like

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"personally, i prefer the darker, edgier, less campy movies that dc have been putting out batman begins"

dc has done plenty of cheesy, campy movies.

7/5/2008 8:25:02 PM

I don't think this thread takes this into account:

7/5/2008 10:16:16 PM

The original Superman movies were campy. The latest one was... well I don't know how you would categorize a Superman movie where he stalks an old girlfriend throughout half the movie.

Yeah. Batman Begins was good. The new one will probably be decent, of course it's already been called before anyone has seen it. I don't see the big deal behind comparing DC and Marvel movies. The directors of each movie have a bigger bearing of what is good and what isn't - at least more than the label behind the franchise at any rate. Which director is the best for comic movies would be a more pertinent question.

[Edited on July 5, 2008 at 10:48 PM. Reason : -]

7/5/2008 10:47:21 PM

dc movies:

history of violence, v for vendetta, the fountain, the spirit, watchmen

7/6/2008 12:36:24 AM

Full lists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_DC_Comics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

7/6/2008 12:57:15 AM

had no idea that V for Vendetta and Road to Perdition were DC. In that case, DC wins with them and Burton and Nolan's Batman.

7/6/2008 10:16:43 AM

Well yeah, DC has been putting out more non-superhero films.

But superhero film vs superhero film, I would say that they are about equally dark and edgy, and also equally campy.

I mean:

7/6/2008 12:12:17 PM

You cannot fault those titties

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"Berry did a little self-mocking dance after the event for photographers "to prove her superpower skills and to jokingly test her abilities as an action star," according to Associated Press"

[Edited on July 6, 2008 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

7/6/2008 12:47:32 PM

after a while, nothing but dark "edgy" films will grate and limit the genre's growth

i don't see why a film can't be accessible, "lighter" and skip the camp

the pixar movies seem to do an excellent job telling stories that way

7/6/2008 12:48:08 PM

"Batman Begins" somehow managed to erase many people's memories of just how cartoonish the original Batman and Superman movies were.


I wish that the Punisher films had been made as dark and grim as Batman Begins. the comic strips were darker and more gory than either film portrayed the character to be.

[Edited on July 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM. Reason : more.]

7/6/2008 9:07:40 PM

I love them all.

7/6/2008 9:13:22 PM

Batman Begins was on TV a few weeks ago, and, whew it is AWFUL.

I was trying to convince some friends afterwards that, besides the fact that it is sometimes hard to see what is going on (so, literally dark) ... the original Batman Burton movies are not very dark at all.

Sure, there's no bat nipples or Jim Carrey, but ... Batdance scene and accompanying Prince soundtrack? anything involving the clowns in Batman Returns? Any and all dialogue uttered by Penguin or between Bruce/Batman and Selina/Catwoman? Campy, unfunny, certainly not edgy except in costuming, and ... really ... the films just haven't aged well. At all.

I really don't get why people hold them so highly in "comic book movies" discussions.
Better films include X2, Iron Man, HULK, any Blade, Hellboy, all of the "one-shots" (Road to Perdition, etc), etc... and in the DC universe, they aren't as good as the original Superman attempt.

7/7/2008 8:50:21 AM

^I think you meant Batman Returns in that post.

btw, Jim Carrey wasn't bad in Batman Forever. He was pretty much the only good part about it. He nailed his role.

7/7/2008 12:00:17 PM

^yeah.

7/7/2008 12:41:14 PM

Ultimately somone is going to make the argument that on the whole, DC characters are far more interesting than Marvel characters.

So I'll go ahead and do it now.

On the whole, DC characters are far more interesting than Marvel characters.

7/8/2008 9:58:39 AM

I think you meant to say boring.

7/8/2008 11:28:18 AM

^^ I always used to think "superman? BORING." Then Grant Morrison decided it was time for All-Star Superman. Holy shit.

... anyway, movies....

but the Marvel Universe is better-suited to be adapted into an Avengers movie than DC is for a Justice League movie

a JLA movie would have to kind of ignore the continuity and the worlds created in the separate entities

Avengers all work live and play and fight in our real cities and their powers/abilities are more comparable for doing things in the same movie world without compromising their own movie worlds

how would batman begins batman do anything in the superman returns world?

7/8/2008 11:37:12 AM

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"I wish that the Punisher films had been made as dark and grim as Batman Begins."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Punisher movie was pretty dark, and it was definitely more brutal than Batman Begins.

7/8/2008 11:39:39 AM

^^ Yeah I agree with that too.

I was watching Justice League Unlimited one time, and Superman was fighting Darkseid, when all of a sudden Batman comes out of nowhere and PUNCHES Darkseid.

WTF?

7/8/2008 11:55:43 AM

it's my understanding that (never really read or watched much of it) JLA kind of exists as its own thing separate, anyway. Haven't read a ton of DC.

like, a JLA movie would almost require completely different actors and you'd have to make it brilliantly clear to an audience that THIS IS NOT THE NOLAN BATMAN and THIS ISN'T REAL WORLD AMERICA

but that avengers movie that's planned? whoo damn.

7/8/2008 2:17:21 PM

Most of you have stated my concerns with JLA...it just will not make any sense without having to mind wipe you of what is going on and how things fit together.

The Avengers deal flows with hardly any changes...it will allow for what has been set to work.

Like my man above stated with Batman fighting Dark Shield in the cartoons, I always wondered how they FUCK they going to get me to believe that Batman can fight on the level of Superman...


III

7/8/2008 4:33:03 PM

Marvel Comics, Howard the Duck, nuff said, winnar.

7/8/2008 5:45:14 PM