..and no it's not Michael Jackson.

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"Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up July 24, 2008 FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist. And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades. Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.' He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head. Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now". "I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real," Dr Mitchell said. "It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it. "I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit." Dr Mitchell, who has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics claimed Roswell was real and similar alien visits continue to be investigated. He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction." Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down. In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe. 'Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.' "

Manhatten project, stealth bombers, medical experiments on prisoners....No the gov't never covers up anything.

If it is so disinterested, why does NASA attach plaques onto it's deep-space probes with messages to alien civilizations?

Hard to deny that Mitchell is a credible source, but he's gonna have a hard time after the story about the diaper-wearing, stalking, astronaut gal.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24070088-13762,00.html

7/24/2008 10:27:52 AM

ok so... with

a) "If it is so disinterested, why does NASA attach plaques onto it's deep-space probes with messages to alien civilizations?"

it shows your lack of understanding about such topics

and

b) apparently Edgar Mitchell wrote this book Psychic Exploration: A Challenge for Science

there goes his credibility

...

there is one fundamental truth

give any scientist worth his/her salt undeniable proof of extra-terrestrial life and the first place they will go is every major media outlet this side of china (and china as well)

7/24/2008 10:39:55 AM

I have proof that aliens exist. But it's unreproducible and they live in a galaxy so far away that the light from the start of their civilization has yet to reach us.

It's so easy to make infallible claims that by their very nature can't be verified. If you think about it, conspiracies work with that exact same principle.

7/24/2008 10:48:54 AM

I don't just knock the idea that aliens have visited us. I totally think it may have happened.

and, I was getting excited when a former astronaut was making such claims

but, he seems to be embroiled in a bunch of hooie, so...

...

overall, there has been NO, simply NO credible evidence of alien visitation

which is unfortunate, because it would be totally cool

7/24/2008 10:51:53 AM

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"overall, there has been NO, simply NO credible evidence of alien visitation"

7/24/2008 10:55:11 AM

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"Manhatten project, stealth bombers, medical experiments on prisoners....No the gov't never covers up anything."

btw, it's nice how you use projects which are widely known as evidence that the government can and does cover things up.

nobody is claiming that the government doesn't or shouldn't have secret projects for certain activities. But the UFOlogists claiming the US gov't has been successfully covering up alien visitation for 60 years now is patently absurd

7/24/2008 11:07:32 AM

absurd

7/24/2008 11:07:53 AM

it was clearly a weather balloon in Roswell

this is actually one of the few conspiracies i buy into...just the fact that humans arent the only intelligent life in the universe...i've never seen an alien or UFO, but stastically there are 100,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way alone...odds are there is other intelligent life out there...but i havent seen it myself

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 11:12 AM. Reason : .]

7/24/2008 11:09:31 AM

try not to think too hard man

it's sad

7/24/2008 11:15:07 AM

about what?

7/24/2008 11:16:51 AM

it would be a huge waste of space if we are truly alone
but we are not so its no big deal

7/24/2008 11:19:56 AM

the question is not if we are alone in the universe

the question is if we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy, which might be the case

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

7/24/2008 11:21:14 AM

People will believe what they want them to believe and what people WANT them to believe. There is overwhelming evidence of aliens but its just no need for people to believe in them as it could possibly destabilize society, so people will continue to ignore something that is right in front of their eyes.

7/24/2008 11:23:42 AM

it might be the case? groundbreaking statement right there folks

7/24/2008 11:23:47 AM

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"apparently Edgar Mitchell wrote this book Psychic Exploration: A Challenge for Science there goes his credibility"

The lack of wonder is depressing. Fortunately there enough crazy dreamers out there who refuse to not "think too hard, man" and keep moving knowledge ahead. Remember that all new breakthroughs were first dismissed as kook science.

"Why if I did something so foolish as wash my hands before surgery, I'd be laughed out of the medical community!... Germs indeeed... hogwash!"

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"give any scientist worth his/her salt undeniable proof of extra-terrestrial life and the first place they will go is every major media outlet this side of china "

Unless of course the go'vt threatens him and his family with death if he does.

Granted it will take saucers landing on the White House lawn for most to believe.

7/24/2008 11:34:32 AM

lol, wrong thread.

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

7/24/2008 11:37:28 AM

^^^

like I'm going to spend the time explaining to you how the moon was formed and why it might be important towards the formation of life

pfft

7/24/2008 11:40:14 AM

a big asteroid hit earth...one of the pieces from the collision "shot off" into space, but not too far, so that it got caught in the earth's orbit...the moon is formed

but i'm wondering why isnt the question is there intelligent life in the universe? why is it limited to the galaxy? is that because your and my perception of human technology thinks its unreasonable that anything could come here from outside the galaxy because it would be too far?

7/24/2008 11:48:41 AM

interesting.

I enjoyed learning this.

7/24/2008 11:52:46 AM

^^

again, I don't respect you enough to really care

7/24/2008 11:54:16 AM

havent any of you ever seen "star gate"

7/24/2008 11:55:12 AM

^^then why do you continue to directly respond to all my posts in here?

7/24/2008 12:00:34 PM

"care" to attempt to have any semblance of a real conversation with you

I have no problem telling you you're an idiot and show my disdain for you


[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 12:02 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2008 12:01:08 PM

you might want to try and make a relevant point in your posts in addition to just strictly namecalling

is the reason you say "life in our galaxy" is the question as opposed to "life in the universe" because of your perception of technology?

7/24/2008 12:02:49 PM

^ you apparently do not understand where I'm coming from

YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON, AND I WILL NOT WASTE THE TIME TO RESPOND TO YOU IN A REAL FASHION

7/24/2008 12:03:29 PM

why dont you go back to convincing people that "death is a curable disease"

then you can call ME a moron

7/24/2008 12:04:00 PM

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"just the fact that humans arent the only intelligent life in the universe...i've never seen an alien or UFO, but stastically there are 100,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way alone...odds are there is other intelligent life out there...but i havent seen it myself"

there is almost without a doubt life, and likely intelligent life, elsewhere in the universe, and probably even our Galaxy. Hell, there might be millions or billions of planets with life out there. But that's not the point, or the question.

There is simply zero credible evidence that any of the potentially millions of intelligent civilizations out there have ever had contact with us.

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"The lack of wonder is depressing. Fortunately there enough crazy dreamers out there who refuse to not "think too hard, man" and keep moving knowledge ahead. Remember that all new breakthroughs were first dismissed as kook science."

give me a break, man. By listening to so-called psychics and UFO nuts, you are not "moving knowledge ahead".
Even if science does not have a ready explanation for an observed phenomenon, it will still acknowledge such a phenomenon. Science and scientists have no problem saying "I don't know" to a question. If scientists claimed to have all the answers (like, i don't know, religions do), then science would cease to exist. If there are no more questions, then there is nothing left to study. But with psychics, for example - not only do they not have a feasible explanation of how their abilities work, they cannot even show that they actually have any paranormal abilities!. Every time a psychic (or homeopath, or dowser, or mentalist) claims to have a power that science cannot explain, they fail at reliably and measurably demonstrating that power. That is not science's fault - that is their fault.

Anyone with "real powers" that are unexplainable can look forward to a fruitful future as being a scientific case study, and will surely go on to use those powers for profit, if they are truly unique. In fact, James Randi has $1M literally waiting in the bank for any psychic who can prove his ability, regardless of showing how or why it works.

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 12:06 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2008 12:04:24 PM

^ but you totally want the fact that "aliens have visited us" to be true, right?

I want to try to push that point across. The difference between wonder and reason and the fact that you can have both.

7/24/2008 12:08:33 PM

nm

i'm not gonna waste my time on this troll

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 12:12 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2008 12:11:29 PM

you're god damn right "nm"

7/24/2008 12:12:03 PM

Wouldn't shock me a bit.

Engineers should be a little insulted, though.

7/24/2008 12:57:06 PM

Here's the thing, believing that we are not the only intelligent life form in the galaxy/universe is one thing.

Believing that a bunch of little gray dudes in super advanced space craft have been flying around our atmosphere, making a bunch of random landings for no apparent reason, and peaking through our windows at night is something completely different.

Add on the idea of a massive government conspiracy covering it all up and something that at first seems perfect reasonable becomes wholly ridiculous.

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 1:05 PM. Reason : :]

7/24/2008 1:04:24 PM

faeries for the 20th century

7/24/2008 1:07:08 PM

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"It's so easy to make infallible claims that by their very nature can't be verified. If you think about it, conspiracies work with that exact same principle."

very well said. The more unverifiable a conspiracy is the more it gives credibility to the people who believe in it. They attribute it to the cleverness of the conspirators.

7/24/2008 1:41:04 PM

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"EarthDogg: Remember that all new breakthroughs were first dismissed as kook science."

Indeed.

I heard asteroids were just regular rocks that were struck by lightning! Rocks can't fall from the sky! They're already ON THE GROUND! RAWR!

Makes you wonder how far they're thinking about their criticisms. Most don't doubt life exists elsewhere in the universe, but fail to realize how much that opens the possibility that even the most unbelievable, unexplainable stories are true. After all, what would human-level intelligent beings evolve to after a million years?

Why impose our limitations of understanding on their knowledge, reasoning, and technology?

My own hypothesis is that we're being visited but for reasons that probably have nothing to do with us.

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"Shrike: Here's the thing, believing that we are not the only intelligent life form in the galaxy/universe is one thing. Believing that a bunch of little gray dudes in super advanced space craft have been flying around our atmosphere, making a bunch of random landings for no apparent reason, and peaking through our windows at night is something completely different. "

How?

Your reasoning may be obvious to you, but I don't see how you got from A to B. Since when did aliens have to act according to your (or any human's) expectation or understanding?

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"Shrike: Add on the idea of a massive government conspiracy covering it all up and something that at first seems perfect reasonable becomes wholly ridiculous."

Massive? Sure. Flatly ridiculous

But compartmentalization (the same method that protects intelligence in corporations and government) permits a more reasonable possibility.

A small-but-powerful conspiracy? Not so ridiculous.

But, to speak to agentlion's point..."But the UFOlogists claiming the US gov't has been successfully covering up alien visitation for 60 years now is patently absurd." Hardcore UFOlogists would have to admit the conspirators haven't been very successful at covering it up, but preventing mainstream acceptance of its reality.

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"marko: faeries for the 20th century"

Thanks, Jung.

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"agentlion: There is simply zero credible evidence that any of the potentially millions of intelligent civilizations out there have ever had contact with us. "

What type of evidence would you consider credible?

Anything historic you'd discount as ancient man's naivety, right?

7/24/2008 4:12:54 PM

come on man - show any evidence.
seriously, what's the best you have? Some fuzzy pictures? Some 3rd party anecdotes? is that it? You mean in this day and age where nearly everyone has a camera and/or video camera their pocket, the streets are surveyed constantly with CC TVs, and the globe is blanketed with satellites, and you can't produce a single verifiable, unexplainable clear picture of video?

7/24/2008 4:39:37 PM

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"What type of evidence would you consider credible?"

7/24/2008 4:46:36 PM

artifact or lifeform

7/24/2008 4:47:59 PM

So, direct experience.

Fair enough.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya.

7/24/2008 4:53:59 PM

we're not talking about Jesus here man

lighten up

7/24/2008 5:34:24 PM

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 5:46 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2008 5:39:04 PM

yup.

aliens are real





[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 5:42 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2008 5:41:17 PM

tripod is beaming your images into the outer limits

7/24/2008 5:45:45 PM

What reason would the gov. have to cover up the existence of allegedly peaceful highly advanced aliens? Why would aliens have a humanoid form, unless they were related to us?

The idea of a gov. conspiracy really makes no sense, because just knowledge of the mere existence of aliens would revolutionize humanity for the better across the globe, and any organization designed to hide this is composed of the most truly evil people imaginable.

And I agree with nastoute that the astronaut is not completely credible. He's older than McCain, and seems to really be 2x as crazy. If he's really had such high level briefings about alien life, it wouldn't take much for a reporter to go through his history and find out more info about those briefings. Without hearing the radio show, he could easily just be full of crap, or trying to gain some publicity.

7/24/2008 7:18:36 PM

so the guy has no direct knowledge.

but he's been "briefed"

...

and he's 77 years old.

...

ok.

7/24/2008 7:46:42 PM

I don't know anything about visitations, but based on the size of the universe the odds overwhelmingly favor the existence of aliens.

7/24/2008 8:28:02 PM

Well if the aliens had the technology to traverse the universe as they please, wouldn't you think they also have the ability to engage a cloaking device?

7/24/2008 9:37:46 PM

sure, but what's the point in speculating about that? Supposing that aliens have visited us, but have sufficient cloaking such that we could never detect them is no different than claiming there is a god we can't see or a teapot orbiting the sun between here and mars.

7/24/2008 9:57:53 PM

Never's a big word.

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"[user]joe_schmoe[user]: so the guy has no direct knowledge."

Ever hear of information being distributed on a "need to know" basis?

The Brookings Institution did a report on space affairs for NASA back in 1960 that covered the implications of ET contact with human civilization. While it made no clear recommendation of how to handle the event, it's pretty clear that chaos was the group's academic estimation of what would occur if the public knew.

Google it. It's an interesting read.

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"[user]marko[/user]: tripod is beaming your images into the outer limits"

why not?

NASA just debuted "Across the Universe"

i'm sure lolcats are next

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 10:21 PM. Reason : kode on crack?]

[Edited on July 24, 2008 at 10:38 PM. Reason : ...]

7/24/2008 10:19:52 PM

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"Never's a big word."

o.m.g. i was responding to Genki's assertion that an "alien technology" was sufficient enough to cloak themselves from us.
Fine - if alien's are here or have been here and have been cloaked in a technology that makes them invisible to us now, then my point still stands that it is a pointless argument, akin to arguing about the existence of god.
Whether we will or won't have the ability at some point in the future to detect these supposed alien technologies is inconsequential to the argument at hand.

7/24/2008 10:32:21 PM