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ThePeter
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Maybe not, but she's refusing to talk to police:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5vjxdm

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" Pint-size actress Mary-Kate Olsen has refused to be interviewed by federal investigators probing the accidental drug death of her close friend Heath Ledger unless she receives immunity from prosecution, The Post has learned.

The actress' lawyer has repeatedly rebuffed attempts by the feds to question Olsen, who was the first person called after her masseuse discovered Ledger's body in his SoHo apartment in January.

Frustrated federal officials could obtain a grand-jury subpoena to compel the funky "Full House" actress to tell them whatever she knows about the "Dark Knight" star's behavior, his possible drug use and the events of that fateful morning, according to sources.

Probers have interviewed everyone connected to Ledger and his death, including his doctors, the masseuse, bodyguards, housekeepers, business associates and even the mother of his 2-year-old daughter, Matilda, his "Brokeback Mountain" co-star Michelle Williams.

"Ms. Williams was extremely nice and cooperative," a source said.

Another added, "Everyone has been very eager to help, saying what a great guy Heath Ledger was, everyone except Mary-Kate, who has refused to speak."

That source explained that Olsen would be the final witness they need to conclude their investigation into where he got his drugs and medicines.

Ledger - whose performance as the Joker in "The Dark Knight" has ignited Oscar buzz - died of a potent cocktail of prescription drugs and OxyContin, the latter of which was likely obtained illegally.

His death was ruled an accidental drug overdose by the medical examiner.

And NYPD investigators closed their probe without interviewing Olsen because, they said, they got all the cooperation they needed from others. That decision, however, surprised some observers, considering Olsen's role as a potential witness.

Instead of calling emergency responders after getting the call from her masseuse, Olsen telephoned her bodyguards in the Big Apple, telling them to race to Ledger's Broome Street home, where they arrived just as paramedics got to the scene.

The US Drug Enforcement Administration, which opened an investigation to determine the sources of Ledger's drugs, was not as sanguine as the NYPD about talking to the 4-foot-11, 90-pound Olsen.

The feds contacted her lawyer, Michael Miller, several times recently seeking her cooperation, but Miller has told the feds Olsen won't be interviewed unless she gets immunity, exercising her constitutional rights.

According to sources, all of the drugs in Ledger's body and discovered nearby in prescription bottles were legally obtained from two physicians - with the exception of OxyContin, a powerful painkiller.

Investigators "are trying to ID the source of the OxyContin," a source said. "Did it come from a dealer, from a friend? If he had a bottle from a friend, was it taken by someone else before police responded? That is what is trying to be determined."

The DEA probers were also aggressive with the NYPD, the sources said, and were forced to threaten to obtain a grand-jury subpoena before getting the department's Ledger files.

An NYPD spokesman said the department never balked at handing over the files and did so after receiving a routine federal administrative subpoena.

Asked whether he asked for immunity for his client, Olsen's lawyer said, "We are not going to comment on whether there is a criminal investigation," and declined to speak further.

The sources said Ledger's employees reached out to Olsen because they panicked at finding his body and did not know what to do.

As for the bodyguards, they claimed they responded only to offer help."

8/4/2008 1:28:53 PM

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8/4/2008 1:30:26 PM

vinylbandit
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you're in big trouble, mister

8/4/2008 1:32:10 PM

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^ahahhahahah

8/4/2008 1:32:34 PM

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"That source explained that Olsen would be the final witness they need to conclude their investigation into where he got his drugs and medicines."


she likely wants immunity because she's either the source, or knows the source of where he got the oxycontin. Probably the former.

8/4/2008 1:33:47 PM

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i fucking love this country

exercise your constitutional rights and you're suddenly a killer or you have something to hide.

no, she's just being an american.

8/4/2008 1:36:21 PM

ThePeter
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well 'Mary Kate killed Heath Ledger' is a lot funner to talk about than 'Mary Kate exercises her constitutional rights'

8/4/2008 1:38:25 PM

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this sounds like a twisted plot to one of their movies, i'm ready for ashley to pop and say haha fuckers it was meeeeeeee.

8/4/2008 1:39:49 PM

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^^^

its one thing to say "hey I want my lawyer there" when they want to ask you some questions, thats just being smart. But to immediately be like "I WANT IMMUNITY BITCHES", that more than raises suspicious eyebrows.

8/4/2008 1:41:13 PM

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Yeah, there's no constitutional right to immunity...

8/4/2008 1:43:19 PM

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vinylbandit has won this thread.

8/4/2008 1:48:31 PM

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agreed.

8/4/2008 1:49:12 PM

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"vinylbandit has won this thread."

8/4/2008 1:51:52 PM

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vinylbandit is on point today

8/4/2008 1:54:49 PM

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8/4/2008 2:22:27 PM

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"you're in big trouble, mister"


i loled big time

8/4/2008 2:42:19 PM

khcadwal
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lol, that is what i was thinking when i was reading this.

8/4/2008 2:54:43 PM

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you got it dude

8/4/2008 4:01:30 PM

Mr. Joshua
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no ows cream?

8/4/2008 4:01:57 PM

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Is she the ano one that dresses like a cartoon jazz cat or is that the other one?

8/4/2008 4:16:45 PM

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Mary Kate is always on the left.

8/4/2008 4:17:17 PM

TreeTwista10
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thats what he gets for dating a chick who looks like keith richards

8/4/2008 4:17:21 PM

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That's a scary bitch.



Nothing in her pockets except knives and lint.

8/4/2008 4:33:32 PM

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"The US Drug Enforcement Administration, which opened an investigation to determine the sources of Ledger's drugs,"


People OD on illegal substances every day in America.

Heath Ledger OD's and the DEA opens an investigation. WTF?

8/4/2008 4:41:48 PM

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"its one thing to say "hey I want my lawyer there" when they want to ask you some questions, thats just being smart. But to immediately be like "I WANT IMMUNITY BITCHES", that more than raises suspicious eyebrows."


i'm not seeing it. she's offering to help them, but at the same time she realizes that this is a VERY high profile case, and she's obviously not interested in getting caught up in some bullshit just because she tried to help out. anyone who has paid any attention to the legal system knows that investigators LOVE to tie people up in cases like this with obstruction charges and etc, to basically force information out of people. that's why lots of confessions and identifications and stuff end up getting thrown out of evidence. cause if you've got a felony hanging over your head and the easiest way out is to point out the guy the cops want, thats whats gonna happen lots of the time (unfortunately)

of course you have no right to immunity. but you do have the right to keep your mouth shut and not be accused for that reason

too bad most americans have the brain of a tiny chimpanzee, and they'd likely convict someone in court simply because they "seem suspicious". its like they have this whole concept backwards, the whole "reasonable doubt" thing... it goes like this:

if there is any doubt in your mind, you are supposed to find them not guilty. but for some reason, everyone seems to say "you're guilty if there is any suspicion that you possibly even could have thought about knowing anything"

it sucks really

8/4/2008 4:41:53 PM

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"i fucking love this country

exercise your constitutional rights and you're suddenly a killer or you have something to hide.

no, she's just being an american."

8/4/2008 4:45:16 PM

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^^ look, i understand that you're coming from the point of view that's seen the other side of the law a number of times, but for the rest of us, the ones that GENERALLY stay on the better side, it seems very strange for her to care one way or another if she has nothing to hide...i can understand if she's nervous because she gave him some prescription pills and she doesn't want to get into trouble for it, but what other possible reason would she have to not just talk to them? if she's done NOTHING wrong whatsoever, what could it hurt?

[Edited on August 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM. Reason : ?]

8/4/2008 4:45:41 PM

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i dont think have to be on any particular "side of the law" to be open to a non-ignorant perspective

8/4/2008 4:47:21 PM

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^^WHAT COULD IT HURT?!

good god man, people on an internet message board might tear her to shreds!

8/4/2008 4:48:24 PM

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oh, but i think it does...the cops have never gotten on me because of my race or my record or anything, meaning that from my point of view, i would probably be just fine talking to them about a friend who died from what may be a suicide and what might be a genuine accident...what POSSIBLE reason would she have to withhold simple information if she has nothing to hide?

8/4/2008 4:49:11 PM

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youll cross that bridge when you get to it

perhaps maybe what she was hiding has nothing to do with heaths death but other illegal activities

i mean if somoene were willing to testify completely to a question by the police it would most likely involve recounting the full day or anytime spent with the deceased

maybe they hit the tree or sold some coke earlier

[Edited on August 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM. Reason : d]

8/4/2008 4:49:47 PM

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"..what POSSIBLE reason would she have to withhold simple information if she has nothing to hide?"


if all you guys on that side of the law feel so strongly, you can always get the constitution amended to suit your ignorant ways.

it's her right to keep her mouth shut. the cops have proven time and time again that it's okay to drag innocents in. if you really believe that the police never charge people who are innocent/not related to the crime in order to secure a witness for the state, then you're more than ignorant... you're straight up naive. you go ahead and tell the cops whatever you want about your life, but there are only a small number of rights guaranteed to me by my birth in this country, and i'm going to use all of them.

but that's that, i'm not gonna sit here and argue this all day.

PEACE

8/4/2008 5:02:20 PM

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"if she's done NOTHING wrong whatsoever, what could it hurt?"


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"what POSSIBLE reason would she have to withhold simple information if she has nothing to hide?"


This type of thinking leads to things like this: message_topic.aspx?topic=536025

8/4/2008 5:12:12 PM

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"if all you guys on that side of the law feel so strongly, you can always get the constitution amended to suit your ignorant ways.

it's her right to keep her mouth shut. the cops have proven time and time again that it's okay to drag innocents in. if you really believe that the police never charge people who are innocent/not related to the crime in order to secure a witness for the state, then you're more than ignorant... you're straight up naive. you go ahead and tell the cops whatever you want about your life, but there are only a small number of rights guaranteed to me by my birth in this country, and i'm going to use all of them.

but that's that, i'm not gonna sit here and argue this all day.

PEACE"


this is where you're either a complete moron or intentionally stupid...i'm not arguing that she doesn't have the RIGHT...my point is that i can't think of a reason she would feel she NEEDED to keep her mouth shut UNLESS she has something to hide (in that, she's broken the law in some way, or she's done something that she doesn't want the public to know about)...either way, i can honestly say that i have no such fears, and i can't imagine why you guys are so terrified of the law...you might think the US is bad, but you obviously have no experiences outside the tiny locale of this country, and that's really just sad (though i can understand why you're so naive)

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"youll cross that bridge when you get to it"


i'm not disagreeing with you...there may very well come a time when i hate the police because they're all big and bad and out to get me by making stuff up and framing me for things i didn't do...and i'll be honest - i hope i'm never in that situation

[Edited on August 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM. Reason : .]

8/4/2008 5:18:13 PM

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she probably thinks she could be liable if she admits she provided/knew about/had anything to do with getting the drugs

once she gets immunity from teh DEA she'll be like "yeah we did drugs a lot but blah blah he chose to take them blah blah"

[Edited on August 4, 2008 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

8/4/2008 5:20:01 PM

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Excellent (20 minute, 40 minutes if you watch both parts) video/lecture on when you talk to the police.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-4097602514885833865&ei=d4GXSO2_C6eGjAHk8MWyCg&usg=AFQjCNEpVmS5L7fOaQNmq7R5jTND1O-YvQ&sig2=2mMh6IbR_yZaywjeKlaI5w

8/4/2008 6:25:19 PM

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"vinylbandit has won this thread."

8/4/2008 6:27:53 PM

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"youll cross that bridge when you get to it

perhaps maybe what she was hiding has nothing to do with heaths death but other illegal activities

i mean if somoene were willing to testify completely to a question by the police it would most likely involve recounting the full day or anytime spent with the deceased

maybe they hit the tree or sold some coke earlier"


Other than Mary Kate being a prescription drug dealer, this is the other viable explanation.

8/4/2008 6:34:46 PM

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i'm just going to chime in and say even if i had nothing to hide/didn't do anything wrong/was 100% sure i was in the right, i still wouldn't talk to anyone unless they made me.

8/4/2008 6:45:29 PM

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"Instead of calling emergency responders after getting the call from her masseuse, Olsen telephoned her bodyguards in the Big Apple, telling them to race to Ledger's Broome Street home"


I guess she realized that bottle of oxycontin she brought over might have had her prints on it.

8/4/2008 6:56:51 PM

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^

8/4/2008 6:57:18 PM

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"i'm not arguing that she doesn't have the RIGHT...my point is that i can't think of a reason she would feel she NEEDED to keep her mouth shut UNLESS she has something to hide"


And that's the reason those video lectures on how to talk to cops tell you to keep your mouth shut. Most people have something to hide. Hell, most people are guilty of a felony or two. Sure, most of those aren't violent and aren't often even enforced, but the fact that a jerk-off cop could ruin pretty much anyone on here is reason enough to stay as silent as possible unless you're putting someone else at risk.

That being said, it's not that she's refusing to talk it's that she's agreeing to talk but only with immunity that has so many people assuming she's partly culpable. This is somewhat of a stretch, but the fact that she's willing to talk with immunity suggests she does have something to say and feels it would be incriminating. This might just be a bonehead move (in terms of PR) on part of her lawyer, but it does suggest she's under the impression that talking without immunity could lead to jail time. It would not have looked nearly so bad had she just refused to talk without the demand for immunity.

8/4/2008 9:21:48 PM

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"unless she receives immunity from prosecution"


Since when is that a constitutional right?

8/4/2008 10:15:33 PM

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I KNEW IT!

8/4/2008 10:16:48 PM

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why is he pedoing it up

8/4/2008 10:17:58 PM

khcadwal
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^^^ whoever said that was prob referring to her right to not speak to anyone unless she gets subpoenaed OR her right not to incriminate herself.

just a guess i'm not sure i didn't reallyr ed the entire thread. so i don't know the context.

8/4/2008 10:35:23 PM

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"That being said, it's not that she's refusing to talk it's that she's agreeing to talk but only with immunity that has so many people assuming she's partly culpable."


thats all i'm trying to say. I don't blame her for wanting to talk. If I had nothing to do with it I'd refuse to talk as well, considering it is high profile and I have nothing to give them. If they went and got a subpeona then fine I'd talk to them (assuming I have nothing to hide). To go and immediately ask for immunity when they haven't even ordered you to talk yet...begs the question as to why the need, unless there's something to hide.

8/5/2008 9:25:16 AM

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