Ok, so this morning I went to take the Kryptonite EV4 Disk Lock off of my chain and it failed big time. The key normally turns 180 degrees, which allows the shackle to come off. Today the key would only turn 120 degrees, I added a slight bit of pressure (I am not strong at all and I wasn't even pushing much) and the cylinder seemed to "break free." It was then able to turn 360 degrees in either direction freely, so I knew it was fucked then. Well, I tried to pull the key out and then the key snapped off in the lock.

So now I need to cut one link of my chain off, which is going to be a bitch. It's not even that thick (10mm 4 sided chain) but it's a strong fucker, it's heat treated boron manganese steel.

I almost wonder if somebody tried to fuck with it last night and messed it up. I called the person at the store I bought it from and he said that if I didn't put the key in all the way it might let me turn it, just not 180 degrees. But when I told him about how it "broke free" after I added just a bit of pressure and he said that was extremely unusual. They're going to replace the lock and I already have another beastly lock for temporary purposes, but now I have to grind that chain off somehow.

[Edited on August 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM. Reason : ]

8/10/2008 1:20:14 PM

Fixed it, ground one link of the chain off. Sending the defective lock back to Kryptonite.

8/10/2008 5:20:04 PM

glad we could help

8/10/2008 7:50:20 PM

Me too!

8/10/2008 7:51:15 PM

Out of curiosity, how long did it take to cut through the chain and what did you use?

8/10/2008 9:20:14 PM

It took a while (A couple of minutes, which isn't that long of course) and generated a shitload of sparks with a relatively large dremel type tool and a rather thick grinding wheel. There's no way a set of bolt cutters would get through either the 14mm shackle on the lock or the 10mm boron manganese triple heat treated steel that the chain is made of. I tried it with a shitty set of bolt cutters just to see since I was going to fuck up the last chain link anyway, all it did was dent the bolt cutters, lol.


Basically if somebody wants to steal it they'll have to pick it up and put it in a truck bed or trailer, or they'll have to come out there with optmusprimer's bad ass truck with a power supply and plug in a big dremel and make a scene. Of course that still leaves the lever lock to get through and then the steering lock as well as "hotwiring" the bike if they plan on driving it away. If they want to wheel it onto a truck bed or trailer they'll have to get the chain lock, lever lock (Which is applying the front brake) and the steering lock. It also has a locked cover on it, but that could just be cut off, although it would be rather obvious that they were doing something to it. My neighbors all know who I am and the bike is visible to them so I would only hope that somebody would at least notice who stole it if they did.

I know my theft prevention measures are far from perfect, but there are quite a few other bikes out here that would be much easier to steal (ie - no locks, no covers, etc) and they can clearly see what they're getting before they steal it.

I'm on high alert right now though, because I am beginning to think someone tried to pick that Evolution 4 Disk Lock. Yesterday a group of 7 thuggish looking dudes walked over to my bike and car and were looking at them and then they walked off. One of them touched my god damned car! But I wondered if they tried to fuck up the lock so I'd remove it and then they came back to check it out or something.

There's no point in running out there with a Glock 17 or Mossberg 590 either because it would be a bluff and if they called it I'd be fucked, I'd have a very hard time explaining that in court considering there was no physical threat to me at the time. Well, there are plenty of other damn good reasons not to do that as well, but I still kind of wanted to.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 7:47 AM. Reason : Finally y0]

8/11/2008 7:36:39 AM

actually those chains are very easy to cut with a large pair of boltcutters, they are designed to resist cutting, but are very hard and brittle, once you start squeezing the cutters, it just shatters

and your steering lock and ignition comes out with two bolts, somone could bring a 10mm wrench and and a couple jumper wires to stick in the connector and be gone in minutes

8/11/2008 8:03:11 AM

Did you not read this:

Quote :

"I know my theft prevention measures are far from perfect, but there are quite a few other bikes out here that would be much easier to steal (ie - no locks, no covers, etc) and they can clearly see what they're getting before they steal it."

Note that I should have said a standard set of bolt cutters, which is what I said I used in the next sentence. I know a beastly, expensive pair probably would. The reviews online said that it could be done in about a minute with really nice, massive bolt cutters. I used a regular old pair though, like what you'd find at home depot. I'm also incredibly weak, so maybe that's the problem.

There's no need to correct every little thing somebody says dude, I understand that if somebody wants it they'll get it. However, I will continue to use the steering lock, chain and lock and lever lock, because that means more things they'll have to deal with and that buys more time to possibly catch them.

Honestly, if you're implying that there's no point in even putting this stuff on there then you're an idiot. These things are deterrents, not guaranteed prevention methods. When they see that they have to get through 4 different things the hope is that they will just walk a few steps to one of the more expensive bikes with nothing at all on there preventing them from stealing it. The first just requires cutting, but that is obvious and since the bike is in front of the main road that goes through the complex it's likely that someone will see them during all of that shit. Everybody here knows I have it, so there's no point in hiding it so someone can work in seclusion and comfort.

I understand that people can see that there's a covered bike there because of it's position, but they also can see that it's visible to three buildings, the road and both of the club houses. Plus, there are 5 other bikes right near me that don't have anything like that on them, they'll probably just go for the other ones unless there's some kind of "order" for my bike and they're a professional. In that case, there's probably nothing that can be done. That's the point of this stuff. I understand that you can get through it with proper equipment, but my bike is nothing special anyway and there are much nicer bikes all around here with nothing to deal with at all.


[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 8:33 AM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 8:18:00 AM

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"When they see that they have to get through 4 different things and there are 5 other bikes right near me that don't have anything like that on them, they'll probably just go for the other ones. "

the theft deterrent is having a crappy bike, if the bike has a high value for parts, then its gonna be gone no matter what you do, it doesn't matter about how it is secured, its the same crime regardless, so why risk it for a pos? they will always go for the high dollar one

8/11/2008 8:32:46 AM

Read this:

Quote :

"I understand that you can get through it with proper equipment, but my bike is nothing special anyway and there are much nicer bikes all around here with nothing to deal with at all."

I'm still going to put that shit on there and I'll own a decent bike if I want to dude. It's that simple, I'm not going to only own shitty things just because a thief might want my shit if it's nice. I'll own what I would like to own and I'll use theft deterrent measures as I see fit.

The harder it is to steal the less likely it is to be stolen, there's no arguing that really. Granted very few people are going to want to steal a $900 bike that is totally fucked and has nothing usable on it, but I don't want one of those either. It's absolutely idiotic to not use as many theft deterrents as is reasonably possible on a bike. But I don't think anyone in this forum is stupid enough to believe their shit is "theft proof" either.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 8:35:59 AM

i'd rather just use the steering lock, have full insurance on it, and not worry about it

8/11/2008 8:42:40 AM

I have full insurance, a steering lock, a chain with a lock, a lever lock and a locked cover. There's nothing wrong with that and I will not be making the bike easier to steal just because you think it's going to happen regardless. The longer it takes to steal, the more chance there is that I or someone will see them, get info on them, get a picture of them or even stop them. That is the point of this stuff and I will continue to use it, it's not even that much trouble to put it on the bike or to take it off.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 8:47 AM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 8:46:14 AM

Quote :

"the more chance there is that I or someone will see them, get info on them, get a picture of them or even stop them"

ahahahaha, thats a good one, what kind of dream world do you live in

as a matter of fact, it was just on the news that the lieutenant governor here in TN, had his 4-wheeler and trailer stolen off his truck in a crowded parking lot in the middle of the day while his was eating lunch, no one is immune anywhere, and if you think anyone gives a shit about someone fucking with someone else's stuff, you're wrong

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 8:51 AM. Reason : why would anyone risk getting hurt to protect someone else shit they don't even know?]

8/11/2008 8:50:32 AM

You have terrible reading comprehension:

Quote :

"the more chance there is that I or someone will see them, get info on them, get a picture of them or even stop them"

I clearly stated that I or someone else could do any of the following things and I said "CHANCE," not guarantee. I never said someone that didn't know me would stop them. I said there's an increased chance that I or someone else could do the following due to the extra time. You might actually be the dumbest person on this forum.

I already stated that the people here know me and that the bike is mine. Nobody comes over here and nobody else that I know messes with my shyte, so they would in fact know that something was going on.

Again, nobody said it was theft proof or that it couldn't be stolen. In fact I stated the opposite right here:

Quote :

"I understand that if somebody wants it they'll get it."

Again, the more chance there is to see the thief the better.

This is no dream, it's a fact.



[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 9:45 AM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 9:34:39 AM

if i were still in raleigh, i'd make a bet to prove a point, i could tell you the week i was going to take your bike, and be gone with it, even with all that crap on it, and i guarantee no one would notice a thing

it takes two people 30 seconds to pick your bike up and toss it in a truck, maybe 2 minutes to cut everything off and ride it away

8/11/2008 10:18:44 AM

Again, your reading comprehension = FAIL. I already mentioned that someone could do that.

Not only that, but you wouldn't have to bet me, I believe it's possible dude. In fact, I keep saying it is entirely possible. You just don't want to read that because you want to feel smart.

Again, I'm not going to make it easier simply because you think I should. I'm just not that stupid.

These measures deter opportunistic thieves, not professionals who know exactly what they want and bring all of the required equipment. However, even then, the longer it takes them the more chance there is of getting photos or info or even stopping them. That's no fantasy.

Again, there are more expensive bikes sitting right around mine that have no theft deterrents on them.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 10:26:46 AM

so you in fact agree that all the money you spent on this crap, and the time it takes you every time you ride to put on and take off is a waste

8/11/2008 10:32:53 AM

Quote :

"These measures deter opportunistic thieves, not professionals who know exactly what they want and bring all of the required equipment. However, even then, the longer it takes them the more chance there is of getting photos or info or even stopping them. That's no fantasy."

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM. Reason : You do realize I have nothing better to do and I love to argue with people right?]

8/11/2008 10:33:52 AM

Quote :

"You do realize I have nothing better to do and I love to argue with people right?"

TWW POWR

8/11/2008 10:39:11 AM

Do they do Lojack for bikes?

8/11/2008 12:01:36 PM

yes, and 4 wheelers, and construction equipment


depends on whether its worth the cost

8/11/2008 2:44:03 PM

and laptops

8/11/2008 5:26:22 PM

Lojack is straight but I don't have the money for all that. The chain and lock are cheap deterrents. Lojack is a way to recover the bike after the deterrents fail.


Plus, since every single thief is a ninja, as buttfucker pointed out, obviously LoJack will fail. The ninja will just rip it off and throw it in the dumpster and they'll find your LoJack in a dumpster, dur hur.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 7:40 PM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 7:31:55 PM

Quote :

"i'd rather just use the steering lock, have full insurance on it, and not worry about it "

yep. i refuse to jump through all of those hoops. if it gets stolen, it gets stolen--especially with a sportbike--it's not like it's some custom, one-off bike that would be tough to recreate. Just get the insurance check and go buy another one.

I say this as someone who's had a GSX-R stolen before.

8/11/2008 7:43:34 PM

Taking 2 minutes to put on a few locks is jumping through hoops?


You know, in that year off I forgot that the garage is full of faggots.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 7:47 PM. Reason : I wonder if that theft was the result of opportunistic thieves.]

8/11/2008 7:45:17 PM

maybe

but yeah...i don't want to cart that stuff around or hook it all up when i park, or unhook it when i want to go ride. i want to hop on the bike, turn the key, and go...and when I get done, I want to shut it off, remove the key, and go inside...and frankly, i don't want to spend $100 or whatever for an alarm disc lock and a super-duper chain lock.

i don't want for my bikes to get stolen, but if it happens, it happens.

8/11/2008 8:33:31 PM

Oh, yeah I don't cart that shit around, I lock it up when I'm at home. The lever lock is something I can put under the passenger seat and throw on when I'm out. It's an annoyance and a deterrent that will hopefully cause an opportunistic thief to simply steal the bike parked next to me instead. There's no way I'm lugging an 11lb chain and a lock around dude.

Plus, if I'm going somewhere like the movies I wont ride my bike anyway. I only take it out to things like lunch at a restaurant or on a ride and then I end up back at my place. The chain and cover are things I use to lock and cover it up when it's at my home (Which is honestly the most likely place for it to be stolen out of the places I go IMO), not out and about.

It's simply not that big of a deal to lock up a bike. I'm not telling you what to do, nor do I care what you do, but I will continue to lock it up when I'm at home. The point of this stuff is to make my bike a harder target, not to make it theft proof. This stuff was worth it to me and I'll continue to spend my money they way I'd like to spend it.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 10:12 PM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 10:06:40 PM

so basically you're saying that you're one of those fair weather faggots

its a whole different ballgame if you actually ride

8/11/2008 10:46:00 PM

Ballgame?

8/11/2008 10:48:07 PM

Rebuttal?

8/12/2008 8:06:36 AM

This ain't no game f00, this is TDUB.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 11:19 AM. Reason : Note that nothing in there mentioned weather, it mentioned not taking it somewhere I can't watch it.]

8/12/2008 11:17:32 AM

Only TWW could pick on a dude for being responsible and keeping his shit locked up.

8/12/2008 12:30:07 PM

it's like covering your kid in bubble wrap to go to the park, sure they'll be safe, but they're gonna get picked on

8/13/2008 7:22:13 AM

Your statement = FAIL

8/13/2008 8:08:36 AM

Your Life = OMGWTFBBQFAIL

8/13/2008 8:27:43 AM

It certainly does involve BBQ.

8/13/2008 8:32:26 AM

BBQED pussy, cause you got flamed

8/13/2008 8:33:49 AM

Nah, just BBQ.


So, what was your name before it was buttfucker?

I took a year off from TWW and it appears this name was created recently. You don't do this with anybody else, even people who are quite obviously idiots. That leads me to believe that you must have been one of the fags who was like this when I was on here a long time ago. Well, either that or you've heard that same bullshit story that a lot of folks on here have heard and you actually believed it. There's also the possibility that because you saw the word Saab you immediately decided that I was this or that. Then there's the possibility that you're just a fag, which may be the case even if one of the other things is true.

[Edited on August 13, 2008 at 8:41 AM. Reason : ]

8/13/2008 8:34:42 AM

thats the last thing your fat ass needs

8/13/2008 8:35:47 AM

Uh, are you sure you've got the right person dude?

8/13/2008 8:40:13 AM

69

8/13/2008 8:53:08 AM

bread and bologna

8/13/2008 9:06:13 AM

Wait wait wait, are you the fat kid holding the Glock in a picture?

I keep trying to find the fat kid holding a Glock. That picture was on here a few years back and I can't fucking find it.

8/13/2008 12:02:45 PM

nigger titties

8/13/2008 1:07:15 PM

IT WAS YOU!

8/13/2008 1:54:37 PM