I'm surprised nobody's commented on this yet (or maybe its mentioned in a campaign thread I didn't look through) but Jon Voight really ripped into Obama in this editorial piece:

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"VOIGHT: My concerns for America Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people Monday, July 28, 2008 Actor Jon Voight. Associated Press. OP-ED We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up. Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset. The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America. The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away. Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that. Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we've almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake. If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there's not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend. Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero. This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way. Jon Voight is an Academy Award-winning actor who is well-known for his humanitarian work. "

Personally I have to agree with him.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM. Reason : forgot to post link]

8/12/2008 12:10:34 PM

While I also agree with him, I think its kind of stupid when celebrities endorse politicians, regardless of who they endorse

More specifically, I think people are stupid when they decide who to vote for or support based on what some actor like Jon Voight says or what some talk show host like Oprah says or what some web blogger says

8/12/2008 12:12:23 PM

I saw that coming, and I agree with you. People shouldn't vote based on what celebrities say. Thats especially true when its some hot and new on the scene celeb that doesn't have a clue. At least Jon Voight's been around for decades and has a good feel for things. Plus he was the basis of a great joke on a Seinfeld episode.

8/12/2008 12:16:11 PM

The only people trying to make Obama out to be God-like is the right. No one on the left views him like this. It seems that some of the McCain supporters are actually offended that some people may be voting for someone they like, rather than the lesser of 2 evils, which is kind of sad. But I guess when people are that bitter, there's not much you can do to change them.

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"If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. "

This is particularly absurd. If Obama had his way, we would have never been in Iraq, and we wouldn't have the INCREASED chance of terrorism that the Iraq debacle has caused. Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia are where the terrorist are coming from, none of which has to do with Iraq, and none of which have been addressed since 9/11.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2008 12:16:35 PM

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"It seems that some of the McCain supporters are actually offended that some people may be voting for someone they like, rather than the lesser of 2 evils, which is kind of sad."

Eh, I don't know if thats how I would put it. I think its more along the lines of voting for someone they like as a person, regardless of that persons politics

8/12/2008 12:19:25 PM

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"Eh, I don't know if thats how I would put it. I think its more along the lines of voting for someone they like as a person, regardless of that persons politics"

I'm sure people like this exist, but there's not a single person on TWW (in TSB at least) that I know that has this view.

I actually know more McCain supporters IRL, and none of them actually know why they are voting for McCain other than he's REpublican, because democrats are evil. The few Obama supporters I know personally can pick specific policy points (and both groups are white people).

Not to mention you have the people like Voight and TKE whose hatred of Obama is based on delusions that Obama is some type of boogey man. None of those claims he made about Obama were grounded in facts. They are all vague notions of dislike.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2008 12:22:25 PM

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"No one on the left views him like this."

8/12/2008 12:23:24 PM

^ Well if you have to vote for somebody and don't totally agree with all of them but know the direction in which each candidate will take then you should vote for the one you agree with the most.

McCain supportes aren't offended by the fact that you like Obama, we just can't understand why you would like him if you actually believed in the traditions and protection of America.

8/12/2008 12:23:33 PM

^^ Why the rolleyes? Do you honestly don't see that it's mostly the Right that is trying to paint him as a messiah?

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"if you actually believed in the traditions and protection of America."

More vague "i hate obama" statements. What does "traditions of America" mean? How does Obama not protect America? Do you realize that terrorism world wide and general dislike for America by the people who would attack us has GROWN under Bush-like policies?

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:26 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2008 12:24:14 PM

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"none of them actually know why they are voting for McCain other than he's REpublican, because democrats are evil. The few Obama supporters I know personally can pick specific policy points (and both groups are white people)."

lol...all repubs/mccain voters are dumb and scared of democrats...all dems/obama voters are smart and keep up with issues

8/12/2008 12:25:45 PM

^hypocrite

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"I think its more along the lines of voting for someone they like as a person, regardless of that persons politics"

So all Obama supporters don't know his positions, that's exactly what you're saying,right?

8/12/2008 12:27:20 PM

moron. no, I see the right as pointing out how ridiculous some of his followers are. They are just making fun of it.



Conservative rag? Notice the smoke or clouds around him.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 12:29:49 PM

8/12/2008 12:33:41 PM

wow

8/12/2008 12:34:58 PM

I hope everyone realizes that culstuff99 is the brickyard racist and when he says traditional america, he means white america.

8/12/2008 12:39:34 PM

^ O RLY?

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=536911

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:43 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2008 12:42:16 PM

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"The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away."

lol so he's trying to suggest the anti vietnam war activists were responsible for all the killing during the vietnam conflict?

8/12/2008 12:44:04 PM

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"Is Barack Obama the Messiah? "

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

8/12/2008 12:48:18 PM

Obama supporters sure do hate it when you point out how they've deified him.

8/12/2008 12:49:18 PM

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"lol so he's trying to suggest the anti vietnam war activists were responsible for all the killing during the vietnam conflict?"

No, he's blaming them for the bloodbath in the aftermath of our hasty retreat from the area.

8/12/2008 12:49:18 PM

so he's suggesting we should've stayed engaged indefinitely?

8/12/2008 12:52:59 PM

^^^If you didn't realize it, the website posted was a satire site.

8/12/2008 12:56:12 PM

I believe he is suggesting that we should have fought to win the war or at least support our allies in the region like we promised we would. Instead we bailed out due to political pressure at home, contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese and millions of Cambodians.

He is trying to draw a parallel between our hasty retreat from Vietnam and the evolving situation in Iraq.

8/12/2008 12:59:08 PM

The killing fields of the Cambodia have nothing to do with the Viet Nam War. The US being in viet nam would have done nothing to stop them.

8/12/2008 1:03:47 PM

^ Only true if you don't believe in the domino theory

8/12/2008 1:14:22 PM

it's laughable anyway to suggest that public sentiment had anything more than a minor role in pulling out since it had been against the war for quite a while...it is, however a pretty good scapegoat.

the real parallels should be drawn to the fact that misinformation and scaremongering during a time when a fragile american psyche facilitated the readiness to believe what the gov. was feeding allowed both ill conceived wars to begin in the first place. Or the fact that we, as a country, were worse off for having gotten involved in both.

its also worth noting that some of the more famous vietnam draft dogers are the architects of the current "endeavor", and that some of the same mistakes have been made.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 1:18:24 PM

So I think Obama's the boogeyman huh? Thats putting it a bit extreme, but I do think we're in for trouble if we get him in the Oval Office.

I'm voting for McCain. Was he my top pick from the primaries? No. Do I think he's a better, more qualified candidate that shares more values with me than Obama. Yes. I don't see the problem with that.

8/12/2008 1:29:43 PM

I'm not a racist you retards. What I mean by traditions of America is that most americans believe in hard-work, anti-abortion, the second amendment, a process for immigrants, a moral sense of right and wrong, family values, the right of individuals to make decisions for themselves, etc..... These are the principles that our country was founded on.

Its not hard to figure out that Obama doesn't quite match up to the traditions of America.

8/12/2008 1:32:03 PM

Everybody's talkin' at me

I can't hear a word they're sayin'

just drivin' around in Jon Voight's car!!!

8/12/2008 1:32:42 PM

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"it's laughable anyway to suggest that public sentiment had anything more than a minor role in pulling out since it had been against the war for quite a while...it is, however a pretty good scapegoat."

Dude, you're grossly misinformed. Please read up on the subject before subjecting us to further ignorance.

8/12/2008 1:33:01 PM

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"bigun20 All American 2343 Posts user info edit post I'm not a racist you retards. What I mean by traditions of America is that most americans believe in hard-work, anti-abortion, the second amendment, a process for immigrants, a moral sense of right and wrong, family values, the right of individuals to make decisions for themselves, etc..... These are the principles that our country was founded on. Its not hard to figure out that Obama doesn't quite match up to the traditions of America. "

This is your first post in this thread. The response to traditions of America was to Culstuff99. So either culstuff is bigun's alias, or bigun is culstuff's alias.

Also, no Democrat will argue against America being for hard-work. As for anti-abortion that is not the case, otherwise there would already have been an amendment outlawing it. Process for immigrants, sure, but that depends what what the process is. moral sense of right and wrong, agree with you there, but again, what are you refering to. As for traditional family values, I believe hate is not a family value.

8/12/2008 1:35:31 PM

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 1:41:00 PM

No, I'm on my roomates computer and I thought I logged in as me.

8/12/2008 1:46:03 PM

^x4 lol, so you really believe the government went from vietnamization and class warfare (smoke screens to keep the public busy) to "well, the public wants us out, so we're going to get out as fast as possible to appease them b/c after all, they're the boss!!"...that national student strike really put them in their place.

by the end of the war, public sentiment had been against them for years...if it was really that influential in leaving, it would have happened long ago. What was infinitely more important was the VC initial refusal to neotiate when we figured out we were in a shit storm in the early 70's and wanted a way out w/o any immediate appearance of failure.



[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 1:50 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 1:47:33 PM

^^Sure, I don't buy it.

8/12/2008 1:52:56 PM

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"What I mean by traditions of America is that most americans believe in hard-work, anti-abortion, the second amendment, a process for immigrants, a moral sense of right and wrong, family values, the right of individuals to make decisions for themselves"

How can you be anti-abortion and ALSO believe in the right of individuals to make decisions for themselves?

8/12/2008 1:53:31 PM

because he knows what all real americans believe, durrr

8/12/2008 1:56:01 PM

vix, im prochoice up to a point, but I would answer you that he feels you have a right to make your own decisions as long as your decisions dont harm others. Clearly, he feels that an abortion harms someone.

8/12/2008 1:59:48 PM

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"^x4 lol, so you really believe the government went from vietnamization and class warfare (smoke screens to keep the public busy) to "well, the public wants us out, so we're going to get out as fast as possible to appease them b/c after all, they're the boss!!"...that national student strike really put them in their place. by the end of the war, public sentiment had been against them for years...if it was really that influential in leaving, it would have happened long ago. What was infinitely more important was the VC initial refusal to neotiate when we figured out we were in a shit storm in the early 70's and wanted a way out w/o any immediate appearance of failure. "

Jesus Christ man, you are just making yourself look dumber with every post.

The US abandoned Vietnam because Congress cut off funding for the war. That Democrat-controlled congress was voted into office in the 1974 midterm elections, and they were voted in by anti-war activists to do one thing: bring our troops home. It was a political pullout, not a strategic pullout, and any other way to view it is ignorant of well-documented history.

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"it's laughable anyway to suggest that public sentiment had anything more than a minor role in pulling out since it had been against the war for quite a while...it is, however a pretty good scapegoat."

To repeat, you are grossly misinformed. Please read up before subjecting us to further ignorance.

8/12/2008 2:05:31 PM

If by anti-war activists, you mean, the American people who voted in a majority of anti-war representatives, you might be right.

Also, the Democrats had the majority in 1972, 1974 wasn't a new majority for the Democrats.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 2:12:46 PM

^^people duly electing representatives as their voice is no where near protests and opinion polls causing the pullout.

not to mention, as stated earlier nixon was desperate for some sort of peace agreement years before that b/c it was apparent we were getting nowhere...in that sense, it was for political purposes....

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 2:20 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 2:20:14 PM

But I don't wanna be a cowboy!

8/12/2008 2:49:43 PM

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"How can you be anti-abortion and ALSO believe in the right of individuals to make decisions for themselves?"

It is the right and responsibility of the individual to avoid pregnancy....the individual has the right to either prevent it from happening or to allow it to happen.

It is not the right of the individual to decide the fate of their unborn child. It is the embryos/baby's individual right to have a chance to LIVE!

The only difference in killing a baby vs. an embryo is a 9 months and a proper burial.

8/12/2008 3:52:28 PM

i'd rather get rid of them early than have to pay for their socialized health care after they're born

8/12/2008 3:58:57 PM

id rather get rid of the idea of socialized healthcare in general and keep the government out of our lives.

8/12/2008 4:01:27 PM

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"Do you honestly don't see that it's mostly the Right that is trying to paint him as a messiah?"

To be fair, Obama's primary opponents were the ones who were first frustrated by Obama's charisma without content.

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"What I mean by traditions of America is that most americans believe in hard-work, anti-abortion, the second amendment, a process for immigrants, a moral sense of right and wrong, family values, the right of individuals to make decisions for themselves, etc..... These are the principles that our country was founded on."

I don't recall abortion being an issue at the constitutional convention and few of the founders were "traditional" Christians as we view them today. Truth be told, the US was founded on the right to go out and have the freedom to make money.

8/12/2008 4:53:19 PM

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"id rather get rid of the idea of socialized healthcare in general and keep the government out of our lives."

You mean get them out of our lives unless they are helping to stop abortion, right?

8/12/2008 5:05:05 PM

killing an innocent baby isn't wrong, but executing a convicted murderer is, right?

/TSB cycle

8/12/2008 5:08:03 PM

I actually love capital punishment, wish we could speed up the process though to cut costs.

8/12/2008 5:08:43 PM

agree

8/12/2008 5:09:16 PM