oh really cnn...you think obama will bring up change in his speech...high risk journalism at its finest.

8/28/2008 8:40:04 AM

hahaha

8/28/2008 8:40:54 AM

is obama homeless?

8/28/2008 8:51:21 AM

i HOPE he addresses the CHANGE he plans on making.


cause i imagine even his dumb ass supporters are getting tired of his empty rhetoric

8/28/2008 8:53:42 AM

change you can believe in


but will it ever get past belief?

8/28/2008 8:55:12 AM

Vote for Change!

That's all you'll have left in your pocket.

8/28/2008 8:56:31 AM

Attention America: My new address is 1600 Pennsyl...

8/28/2008 8:56:55 AM

haha first his fake obama presidental seal, now his fake white house stage for the address.

8/28/2008 9:03:48 AM

rabble rabble rabble....we don't need any damn CHANGE!

I'm sure we're all perfectly fine with the way things are going in Iraq. and everyone is cool with our economy's present state. oh, and let's just keep relying on foreign enemies to fill out cars and trucks with gas. oh, and fuck the poor, the rich are perfectly happy in their ivory towers.

8/28/2008 9:08:56 AM

yeah who was that other democrat who promised change that one time. its on the tip of my tongue

8/28/2008 9:31:23 AM

all of them??

8/28/2008 10:07:32 AM

WRONG!!! HAHAHAH

oh

8/28/2008 10:21:29 AM

I HOPE he talks about CHANGE!

8/28/2008 10:26:16 AM

I hate to say it- but at least Obama promises to be different. If you consider the last 8 years a success, then by all means. Vote for McCain.

8/28/2008 10:27:19 AM

yeah picking a senator who was in office when he was 8 really shows how much change he is bring to the table

8/28/2008 10:35:57 AM

I was simply stating that Obama won't be 4 more years of Bush. And as much as high taxes suck, we kinda need to do something about the 3 trillion dollar national debt we have incurred fighting two pointless wars.

8/28/2008 11:02:41 AM

yeah like maybe spending less?

cutting back entitlement programs instead of expanding them?

...

unfortunately neither candidate has anything resembling a viable economic plan. We're fucked either way.

8/28/2008 11:27:21 AM

pretty much.

8/28/2008 11:30:02 AM

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"I was simply stating that Obama won't be 4 more years of Bush"

neither would McCain

You do realize George Bush and John McCain aren't the same person right?

You do realize, that regardless of who wins the election, Bush will no longer be President right?

8/28/2008 11:30:25 AM

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"rabble rabble rabble....we don't need any damn CHANGE! I'm sure we're all perfectly fine with the way things are going in Iraq. and everyone is cool with our economy's present state. oh, and let's just keep relying on foreign enemies to fill out cars and trucks with gas. oh, and fuck the poor, the rich are perfectly happy in their ivory towers."

well if osbama would state what he plans on doing then people wouldn't make threads like this. we all know that things aren't perfect in Iraq and with the economy, but this idiot hasn't said anything but change? Does change mean he'll worsen the situation in Iraq, tax the fuck out of people and leave "change" in our pockets. the man has said change, and he states that it will be for the good, but without knowing what he's gonna do, how can anyone believe him?

8/28/2008 11:31:35 AM

Black Guy Asks Nation For Change

8/28/2008 11:33:57 AM

Are you saying we should spend less by cutting back entitlement programs rather than extracating ourselves from a pointless war? Why are we even there? Weapons of mass destruction? To end the bondage of a nation? To bring freedom to another country?

Why don't we look at our internal problems before looking outwards? How can you honestly justify spending all that money in Iraq when it could be going to bettering your fellow citizens standard of living? Do you really care that much about the world around you and not care at all for the fellow patrons of America?

8/28/2008 11:34:33 AM

what good is standard of living when you're dead from a terrorist attack

personally, i increase my standard of living by working a job and saving money, but thats just me...thats something I have the ability to do

national security is something that I do not have the ability to do, and therefore should be the role of the federal government

8/28/2008 11:36:20 AM

^^who said I was happy with the war in Iraq?

And continuing with your "help America first," let's stop giving out free money to hundreds of nations. Let the African's with Aids die, they're not Americans, fuck giving these 3rd world countries our money, we should save ourselves first.


^valid point

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

8/28/2008 11:37:49 AM

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"neither would McCain You do realize George Bush and John McCain aren't the same person right? You do realize, that regardless of who wins the election, Bush will no longer be President right?"

ORLY?

I can't wait for the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act to be extended, hell, why not just make it a constitutional amendment? Let's continue to cut taxes for the rich, and add taxes on to the middle and lower classes. I mean really, the rich are paying the government more money anyways, what difference to percentages make?

8/28/2008 11:40:15 AM

We have already had seven and a half years of change. President Bush is one of the most fiscally liberal presidents our country has ever seen. I'm ready for some stability. Maybe even some cutbacks.

8/28/2008 11:41:38 AM

whats funny is, my family's (middle class) taxes went down over the last 8 years....

stop boohooing over the patriot act. has it really affected your life at all? no, it hasn't

8/28/2008 11:41:39 AM

^^^so basically what you're saying is that all republicans are the same and they're all as bad as Bush

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"Let's continue to cut taxes for the rich, and add taxes on to the middle and lower classes."

Bush added taxes on the middle and lower classes? thats news to me

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

8/28/2008 11:42:56 AM

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"what good is standard of living when you're dead from a terrorist attack personally, i increase my standard of living by working a job and saving money, but thats just me...thats something I have the ability to do national security is something that I do not have the ability to do, and therefore should be the role of the federal government"

Because were totally being invaded by Iraq.

National Security =/= Invasion of other countries. I'm all for national security, but when national security becomes an unprovoked war? That's where I draw the line.

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"^^who said I was happy with the war in Iraq? And continuing with your "help America first," let's stop giving out free money to hundreds of nations. Let the African's with Aids die, they're not Americans, fuck giving these 3rd world countries our money, we should save ourselves first."

You implied you were content with the war by mentioning to cut spending in areas such as entitlement programs... rather than the obvious ending of a war we have no reason to be fighting.

8/28/2008 11:46:49 AM

somebody explain this "trickle up economics" policy of obamas to me. cause it makes no damn sense

8/28/2008 11:46:53 AM

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"a war we have no reason to be fighting."

let the government do what they need to do for national security...just because the NY Times can't plaster every bit of classified intelligence information in their papers for anyone in the world to see doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons well beyond your comprehension

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"when national security becomes an unprovoked war? "

well when a country breaks numerous UN sanctions over the years, and the UN is pretty much powerless to do anything, somebody else has to step in

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 11:51 AM. Reason : .]

8/28/2008 11:48:07 AM

i dont think Obama is what this country needs, hes a novelty and nothing more

8/28/2008 11:51:19 AM

The patriot act hasn't affected me, or at least to my knowledge. But how would you really know? It's the meaning behind the action. If we can monitor potential terrorist's cell phones, why not monitor tax evasionists? Why not monitor suspected drug dealers? Why not monitor everyone's just to make sure you're doing everything you're supposed to be doing? What's next? It's an invasion of privacy, and that's something highly valued.

8/28/2008 11:51:46 AM

i wish they did more monitoring of felons

i mean really? what are you bitching about

8/28/2008 11:54:13 AM

That is an awfully simplistic way of looking at it. There is no evidence linking Iraq to September 11th. None. It could be equally as well argued that the net effect of the War in Iraq has been to simultaneously weaken the United States' standing in the world as well as severly damaging our long term financial security. UBL doesn't need to launch another terrorist attack, we're doing a pretty good job of beating ourselves up.


Anyway, here is a good article on Obama from this week's Economist: http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11959309

8/28/2008 11:55:31 AM

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"let the government do what they need to do for national security...just because the NY Times can't plaster every bit of classified intelligence information in their papers for anyone in the world to see doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons well beyond your comprehension "

Ah- so my tax dollars are being spent on something beyond my comprehension. Terrific. I'm not asking for a lot, just a valid justification.

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"well when a country breaks numerous UN sanctions over the years, and the UN is pretty much powerless to do anything, somebody else has to step in"

If the UN were to tell us to disarm all of our WMD, do you really think we would? Do you honestly think that if the UN came into the US and said that all of our Nuclear weapons, all of our biomechanically engineered weapons would have to be dismantled and destroyed we would just lie down and let them? And furthermore, when we did not abide by the UN, that would give China, Great Britain, etc justification to invade our country, break down our governement, and establish a new one which was directly under their control?

Ridiculous.

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:00 PM. Reason : s]

8/28/2008 11:58:14 AM

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"There is no evidence linking Iraq to September 11th"

[old]

^like it or not, everybody calls on America...we had a tsunami, USA please send help and money...we have AIDS, please send help and money...Iraq invaded us here in Kuwait, USA come help us...you can't have it both ways

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 11:59 AM. Reason : .]

8/28/2008 11:58:22 AM

is [old] the best argument you can come up with?


"Oh, well that argument, while it might have been true in 2003 is sooooo out of date that it simply isn't acceptable any more"

I didn't realize that facts had an expiration date.

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"Iraq invaded us here in Kuwait, USA come help us...you can't have it both ways"

what?

8/28/2008 12:01:33 PM

Because we didn't ask for any relief after Katrina hit. And we're alos the sole contributor to all of those philatrhopist activities.

Also- it's not our job to be the police of the world. That's the UNs job, and so leave it to them.

8/28/2008 12:02:40 PM

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"CHANGE"

8/28/2008 12:03:53 PM

^^the UN do a pretty shitty job of being world police

^^^what other kind of retarded answer would you expect for something so fucking obvious? omg theres no link between 9/11 and iraq, really? thanks for pointing that out...what does the non link between iraq and 9/11 have to do with anything?

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"UBL doesn't need to launch another terrorist attack"

ever consider that over the last few years we've significantly hindered his ability to launch another attack if he wanted to? (which he obviously does)

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2008 12:04:01 PM

In fairness, the UN doesn't do shit without the US. And it isn't even like the USSR picked up the slack before they fell apart. The US is the UN . . . even if we don't pay dues.

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"what other kind of retarded answer would you expect for something so fucking obvious?"

touche, you've got a pretty long history of retardation. THE GOVERNMENT SAYS WE SHOULD INVADE SOMEONE, THE GOVERNMENT IS NEVER WRONG, HOW DARE WE DOUBT THE WISDOM OF INVADING A SOVERIGN NATION ON A COMPLETELY FALSE PRETEXT!!!!

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"ever consider that over the last few years we've significantly hindered his ability to launch another attack if he wanted to?"

Do you have evidence of this? Or is this just random conjecture? Or did you completely miss the fact that world opinion of the US since the invasion of Iraq has done a complete 180 and feeding the rhetoric of Islamic fundamentalists, gaining converts on a daily basis and that bin Laden is largely unhindered in NW Pakistan? And again, you're not addressing the point that UBL doesn't have to do anything since it could be argued that we're doing it for him.

8/28/2008 12:04:32 PM

what does pointing out that theres no link between 9/11 and iraq have to do with anything i said?

lets see if you can answer it without being a sarcastic faggot

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"Do you have evidence of this?"

evidence of what? that we've made it harder for bin ladin and al queda to operate? or evidence that UBL still wants to attack us? cause both of those seem pretty damn obviously correct

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"world opinion of the US since the invasion of Iraq has done a complete 180"

aww, the rest of the world doesnt like us, boo hoo, the presidents number 1 job is making the USA popular

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"bin Laden is largely unhindered in NW Pakistan?"

whats he doing in Pakistan? oh yeah, we blew up his houses in Afghanistan and sent him hiding into a cave...

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"UBL doesn't have to do anything since it could be argued that we're doing it for him"

blame the liberals who want us to fail, the ones who said "We cannot win this war" and "we've already lost" and shit like that

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2008 12:09:35 PM

I'm in agreement that the UN is not shit without the US. But we did set it up, and therefore we should abide by it's rules. If we're on top of the world, then it's up to us to set an example. If we're going to defy the rules of the UN, why should anyone else abide by them when they know we'll just do whatever we want?

Also- I don't really have a problem with McCain or the majority of McCain supporters. It's the ignorance in the hate for Obama that gets me. The fact that people openly hate and reject a presidential candidate simply because the color of his skin shows us truly where this country is.

Hate him all you want for his policies, his lack of experience, or any other real reason. But because of the color of his skin? Or his name sounds kind of like "Osama"? Come on, get real.

8/28/2008 12:09:58 PM

8/28/2008 12:10:41 PM

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"what good is standard of living when you're dead from a terrorist attack"

You're implying that the war in Iraq has reduced the likelihood of a terrorist attack when, in fact, no such evidence can be produced. You said that you increase your standard of living by working harder, despite the fact that the debt we are currently saddling ourselves with will be paid back, with interest, by your tax dollars in the future. The net effect being that the war is neither keeping you safe nor improving your standard of living in the long-term.

But you're happy to blindly trust the government. Do your thing man.

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"aww, the rest of the world doesnt like us, boo hoo, the presidents number 1 job is making the USA popular"

Because there is no connection between US foreign policy and terrorism. None at all.

8/28/2008 12:13:30 PM

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"the war is neither keeping you safe nor improving your standard of living in the long-term."

i couldnt disagree more...i feel pretty safe...havent had a foreign attack on US soil since 9/11...we've killed thousands of the terrorists already over the last 7 years...and how can anyone with a brain argue that changing dictatorships into democracies wont improve standard of living in the long term??

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"Because there is no connection between US foreign policy and terrorism. None at all."

yeah, clearly a backwards ass religion has nothing to do with it...GET OFF MUH HOLY LAND

or how about all the other countries who get attacked by terrorists? the ones who dont invade other countries or even occupy other countries? whats your explanation for them getting attacked? US foreign policy?

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:20 PM. Reason : quote]

8/28/2008 12:16:44 PM

tsb

8/28/2008 12:20:13 PM

One could argue all religions are back-asswards. One could argue that far more factors play into this than simple religion. But you hit the nail on the head, actually, with your choice of deliberately spelled first person possessive words:

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"GET OFF MUH HOLY LAND"

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"i couldnt disagree more...i feel pretty safe..."

Well we can all breathe a sigh of relief now. I'll make sure the Pentagon gets a hold of the metrics from TreeTwista10 most recent security index.

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"or how about all the other countries who get attacked by terrorists? the ones who dont invade other countries or even occupy other countries? whats your explanation for them getting attacked? US foreign policy?"

Yes. The stated reason for every European attack was their alignment with the US over Iraq policy.

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"and how can anyone with a brain argue that changing dictatorships into democracies wont improve standard of living in the long term??"

I agree. Completely. If you manage to establish a democracy. The leftist thrust of South America right now can, in some ways, be attributed to a reaction against American backed "democracies" in the 80s and 90s. The Iranian revolution was a reaction to an American installed "democracy". And of our two best friends in the region, one is easily one of the most repressive and least democratic regimes in the world.

I agree, in principal, the replacement of Saddam Hussein with a democracy. But world politics doesn't function on idealistic principles, something this administration completely failed to take into account. On a greater world scale, we've exposed ourselves to being overtaken even more rapidly by a capitalist dictatorship with little or no regard for individual freedom or human rights (China), as the, or at least a, dominant nation in the world.

So right now, the net democratic effect of the invasion of Iraq is looking pretty glum, and this isn't anything that a LOT of people didn't see coming.

8/28/2008 12:26:53 PM

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"Well we can all breathe a sigh of relief now. I'll make sure the Pentagon gets a hold of the metrics from TreeTwista10 most recent security index."

good and while you're at it make sure they know that according to JCASHFAN the war on terror isn't keeping us safe

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"Yes. The stated reason for every European attack was their alignment with the US over Iraq policy."

i'm gonna call bullshit, let alone the fact that you didnt address the attacks in asia and africa and the rest of the world, or any attacks that they've carried out before march 03

[Edited on August 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2008 12:35:53 PM