For the past 30 years democrats have strived to show that the female and women in general can out-do or out-perform the male.

This is exactly what Sarah Palin is. A mother, worker, wife, and politician who has out succeeded her husband and other men and who is also taking care of her kids.

This is exactly what all liberals have wanted for decades and now since the republicans have a woman at the forefront who is exactly what they have wanted, you no idea what to do. You simply hate her to death.


You simply hate her guts and see her daughters pregnancy as an undomesticated republican and have no idea what to think. We should take Obamas lead on this. I think he said it best.

If you want to get into un-wed pregnancies look at Obama himself. Then look at all his acquaintences such as Reverand Wright and Louis Farrakhan.



This is nothing but a full proof scenario on how out of touch democrats are with mainstream america and its families.

9/2/2008 12:40:11 PM

wait

what do you mean, "finally?"

also, if you see putting Sarah Palin on the ticket as anything other than tokenism, you're just as out of touch as the left.

9/2/2008 12:41:15 PM

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"If you want to get into un-wed pregnancies look at Obama himself. "

Yes, I definitely blame Obama for being born to an unwed mother. How could he allow that to happen?!? Clearly he is unfit to be President if he can't control his own mom.

9/2/2008 12:44:45 PM

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"full proof"

9/2/2008 12:46:43 PM

I have no problem with a woman president/VP if she is fit for the position. Espicially since for a large part this position acts as a figurehead since no single person can be the expert in all matters of area pretaining to run a country. Queens Elizabeth I and Victoria were some of the most powerful individuals of their day.

What I don't like about Palin

- Lack of experince

- Relationship w/ Big Oil

- The sketchy trooper scandal.

- Her pro life stance and strong advocate of Bible Thumper Christian Family Values. I do not consider her knocked up daughter is a disqualification. What i do count as a disqualification is the fact that she strongly supports abstience only sex ed in public schools. YET she did not even succeed with this in her own family. This calls into question her ability to execute as a high political figure. Perhaps had she been realistic versus idealistic she would have had a sit down with her daughter encouraging the use of condoms/the pill and her daughter might not be having a shotgun wedding.

- The Evangelical Crowd rallying around her.

- McCain using her as a tool for scooping up moderate Hillary fans with the female token versus her actual qualifications.

- I think Romney would have been a lot better.

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM. Reason : s]

9/2/2008 12:47:39 PM

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"What I don't like about Palin - Lack of experince"

good thing she's the VP candidate...imagine if someone so unexperienced was running for President!

9/2/2008 12:50:25 PM

dude, really... your logic is full of holes...

9/2/2008 12:51:53 PM

Seriously, theDuke866, do I have to make another thread about this guy?

I'm fine with logically sound arguments that are different from mine, but this is just batshit insane and intentionally divisive.

Suspend this guy or force him to stick to one thread.

9/2/2008 12:52:46 PM

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"good thing she's the VP candidate...imagine if someone so unexperienced was running for President!"

With Obama as president, you get Joe Biden's experience helping him out on the day to day issues.

If Palin is president, that means McCain is dead and his experience is gone with him to the grave. No help to Palin.

9/2/2008 1:01:23 PM

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"also, if you see putting Sarah Palin on the ticket as anything other than tokenism, you're just as out of touch as the left."

9/2/2008 1:02:02 PM

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"McCain is dead and his experience is gone with him to the grave"

that sounds like a threat

I just PMed the Secret Service

9/2/2008 1:02:34 PM

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"Yes, I definitely blame Obama for being born to an unwed mother. How could he allow that to happen?!? Clearly he is unfit to be President if he can't control his own mom. "

hahaha

9/2/2008 1:03:15 PM

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" if you see putting Sarah Palin on the ticket as anything other than tokenism, you're just as out of touch as the left."

What tokenism? She's the exact antithesis of the left. She's more conservative than John McCain is.

The left isn't even aware of this yet, and they'll destroy themselves in the process of trying to destroy her and all that she stands for.

9/2/2008 1:32:16 PM

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"What I don't like about Palin - Lack of experince - Relationship w/ Big Oil - The sketchy trooper scandal. - Her pro life stance and strong advocate of Bible Thumper Christian Family Values. I do not consider her knocked up daughter is a disqualification. What i do count as a disqualification is the fact that she strongly supports abstience only sex ed in public schools. YET she did not even succeed with this in her own family. This calls into question her ability to execute as a high political figure. Perhaps had she been realistic versus idealistic she would have had a sit down with her daughter encouraging the use of condoms/the pill and her daughter might not be having a shotgun wedding. - The Evangelical Crowd rallying around her. - McCain using her as a tool for scooping up moderate Hillary fans with the female token versus her actual qualifications. - I think Romney would have been a lot better."

9/2/2008 1:35:18 PM

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"What tokenism? She's the exact antithesis of the left. She's more conservative than John McCain is."

Um, in case you haven't noticed, the number of candidates on the far right aren't exactly few and far-in-between.

All other things equal, if Sarah Palin was a male, she would not have been picked. By definition, that is tokenism.

9/2/2008 1:38:57 PM

Don't even listen to this thread, the material is a pile of shit...

Sorry, but I've seen your posts csharp and they reek of stupidity of the highest magnitude. I hate to be mean but you need to be called out....all of your posts are inflammatory uber-biased, backwards, acidic digs with no basis.

You're like fat Limbaugh or Hannity except sadly LESS informed then they are and you have the anonymous internet 4th wall to protect your blatant lies.

9/2/2008 1:39:03 PM

Rewind a few years guys. Look at Clarence Thomas. Scrutinized to the ends of the earth.

Eventually appointed.


Palins route will be very similar.

9/2/2008 1:42:29 PM

he was appointed, then scrutinized, then confirm.

9/2/2008 1:43:50 PM

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"She's more conservative than John McCain is."

This is a problem in my book.

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"good thing she's the VP candidate...imagine if someone so unexperienced was running for President! "

Well the debate i am having is qualifying her as a good pick for VP as I had already vouched my support for McCain. The XP factor one of several reasons why I am not voting for Obama in the first place. Thus really it would almost be hypocritical for me not to frown upon Palin limited tenure in big shot politics.

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 1:46 PM. Reason : a]

9/2/2008 1:45:35 PM

^exactly like Palin will be.

He was the greatest threat to liberalism and everything it stood for. Palin will only be worse. It show not only how out of touch democrats are with miniorities even amongst themselves, but also how out of touch they are with almost all informed and educated women.

9/2/2008 1:46:14 PM

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""What tokenism? She's the exact antithesis of the left. She's more conservative than John McCain is.""

I think Salon (yes, the liberal rag) put it best

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"McCain's Palin pick is the epitome of tokenism ..... But if Palin's résumé is limited, to put it politely, she possesses the only two qualities that McCain now seems to consider essential: She is a right-wing religious ideologue with female gender characteristics. Suddenly that is all anyone needs to qualify as a potential commander in chief of the world's most powerful military."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/08/30/palin

I mean, seriously guys - how can you possibly say that Sarah Palin is the most qualified person for this job? She's not even close to being the most qualified female in Washington or anywhere else

9/2/2008 1:47:16 PM

I really wish he had picked Joe Lieberman, like McCain wanted to do.

Fuck the religious right and the power they wield.

9/2/2008 1:48:57 PM

seriously...

9/2/2008 1:49:27 PM

I do not understand why McCain is even concerned with bible thumping evangelical christian right. They may have some disagrements but I do not exactly see Billy Rae or Billy Graham Jr. voting Obama in 08'

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 1:54 PM. Reason : a]

9/2/2008 1:54:03 PM

If my mind doesn't fail me, wasn't there a heated 2 year nomination process explaining to the american people that we don't need another washington insider a la obama?

isn't he an evengelical himself?

wtf are people even spewing?

9/2/2008 2:06:08 PM

god, you are the ABSOLUTE worst kind of faggot.

9/2/2008 2:07:56 PM

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"csharp_live Starting Lineup 87 Posts user info edit post As a liberal wanting to know my parties policy,"

9/2/2008 2:13:55 PM

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"we don't need another washington insider a la obama?"

......

what?

9/2/2008 2:14:32 PM

meaning obama was the one preaching to the choir for the last 2 years we don't need the same ole "dollar bill" style politician aka washington insider in the oval office.

9/2/2008 2:48:11 PM

you're calling Obama a Washington insider.
A Jr. Senator with <4 years experience in the Senate is now an "insider"......

I've visited DC 3 or 4 times now. How many more times before I get my own Insider badge?

9/2/2008 3:07:16 PM

engrish.

ok, but really last time: obama preaches we don't need a washington insider.
he is not a washington insider.
QED.

Sarah Palin is not a washington insider,
he claims she doesn't have enough experience in washington.
QE wat? D.

9/2/2008 3:40:43 PM

Can someone email me when the stoopid stops?

9/2/2008 4:00:06 PM

I really don't care about the mindless insults. Feel free to throw it out there.

It shows me you've been beaten down into submission and that it's all you've left.

Fire away.

9/2/2008 4:06:21 PM

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"I mean, seriously guys - how can you possibly say that Sarah Palin is the most qualified person for this job? She's not even close to being the most qualified female in Washington or anywhere else"

I mean, seriously, "most qualified" candidate isn't always the one who is chosen, for whatever reason, so why is it such a big deal in Palin's case?

see: Democratic 2008 Presidential Nominee

9/2/2008 4:08:17 PM

shes Dick Cheney with bigger boobs

9/2/2008 4:16:39 PM

Both are from some backwater state that represents a mere sliver of the US population. Guess this is an appeal to the rural redneck vote.

9/2/2008 4:17:36 PM

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"I mean, seriously, "most qualified" candidate isn't always the one who is chosen, for whatever reason, so why is it such a big deal in Palin's case?"

ok, fair enough - the "most qualified" candidates are rarely if ever chosen for any race.

But again, please tell me why Palin is more qualified or better suited on nearly any metric than any of the other names that were being tossed around. You know, besides the fact that she's a woman and may sway some of the more idiotic PUMA (yeah i know, redundant) people

9/2/2008 4:26:32 PM

Because the republicans are saving their ammo, aka Romney for 2012 in case they lose butt tards.

9/2/2008 4:33:37 PM

i hope patreus(sp?) runs in 2012

9/2/2008 4:50:22 PM

I love how only the far-right are bible thumpers. I must have heard the word God 20 times during the DNC.

9/2/2008 5:32:26 PM

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"I love how only the far-right are bible thumpers. I must have heard the word God 20 times during the DNC. "

You are right. The Hillary supporting christian "conservatives" democrats" are likely the only one of the many US ideological groups McCain will pick up with Palin. On the other hand he very way may have many other leaving his grips who would be disaffected by Mrs. Palins hard core social values conservative agenda.

The DNC needs to keep these "conservative democrats" in line as they contain a lot of powerful figures. However, in the long run this group has been losing power since the 60's in favor of the GOP

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM. Reason : a]

9/2/2008 5:49:03 PM

well don't get settled too quickly:


Connecticut senator — a Democrat — is expected to give a 'speech like no other' at Republican convention, sources say

get ready for fallout. oh noes. republicans have ammo.

9/2/2008 5:53:06 PM

Except he is an independent when, you know, he lost his democratic bid for his own seat prior to re-election and was basically kicked out of the democratic party

9/2/2008 9:06:30 PM

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"- I think Romney would have been a lot better."

you are fucking delusional

really what we have again is a choice between a douchebag and a turd sandwich

9/2/2008 9:12:32 PM

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"obama is just ruining our party and our country. this blows."

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"coming from a fellow fainting liberal"

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"grow some brains my fellow liberals."

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"as a liberal voter"

~~ csharp_live

9/2/2008 9:16:21 PM

Consider me your friend ex-Hillary supporter.

Obama needs a fastball or 2 to grab my attention.

How about an energy plan? air in your tires.
Got any national security program that relieves us from big brother burden? nope.
Any sort of health care program that isn't a socialism rip off that taxes us to a depression? negative
A revolutionary technology to get us off oil besides "clean coal"(lol @ clean coal)? nah
ANything?


[crickets]

9/2/2008 9:52:28 PM

Is this an Operation Chaos-type thing?

9/2/2008 9:54:23 PM

nope. just an ordinary american with easy questions.

i know obama is above that kind of ease. but can he and your angelic choir come down from the high mountains of enlightenment and help out a fellow brother?

9/2/2008 9:56:04 PM

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"Yes, I definitely blame Obama for being born to an unwed mother. How could he allow that to happen?!? Clearly he is unfit to be President if he can't control his own mom."

Two words for you: John Connor. Clearly he wouldn't let this happen to his own mother - before he was born! (Well, at least let his mother be killed by Terminators. He did, however, engineer his own out-of-wedlock birth...)

9/2/2008 10:22:54 PM

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"A revolutionary technology to get us off oil besides "clean coal"(lol @ clean coal)? nah "

Actually there is a clean energy future in coal gasification. We need more R&D in this.

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"All other things equal, if Sarah PalinBarack Obama was a malewasn't black, she would not have been picked. By definition, that is tokenism."

9/2/2008 10:39:42 PM