So the ACLU is deciding to try and oust Johnson County sheriff Steve Bizzell for speaking his point of view against illegal immigrants. I will copy and paste the emails that I've exchanged with the ACLU regarding this matter after the link to the WRAL story:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3511372/

Original From Me

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"To whom it may concern, As a life long citizen of North Carolina, I am ashamed by what your organization is trying to accomplish by ousting an elected public official, Steve Bizzell. Seeing that this organization is supposed to protect American's civil rights and that illegal immigrants are not American, why is it that you are attempting to protect these criminals rights? Furthermore, even if these criminals did have rights as American citizens, what hypothetical American civil rights of theirs have been compromised? Also, what exactly is your investigation of Mr. Bizzell supposed to accomplish that would have a positive impact on the North Carolina community as a whole? In my humble opinion, you are part of the problem and not the solution. What I'm mostly disturbed by is that this organization seems to be a hypocritical one. Let me explain, legal North Carolina residents civil rights are violated every single day by illegal immigrants. What is your organization doing to protect us? One final question, I would like to know if this organization is funded in any form of tax revenue? Thanks for your time, and please feel free to forward this to the decision makers in your organization. I look forward to hearing from them."

Reply from ACLU

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"Dear Mr. XXXXXXXXX, No one has tried to oust any public official, so I would encourage you to re-read the news accounts. All that happened today was we filed a public records request for data to determine whether or not the JCSO was complying with state laws prohibiting racial profiling in light of the sheriff's racially inflammatory statements about hispanics. As long as the county has not been treating people differently or arresting folks on account of their skin color, that will be the end of the issue. The ACLU is non-profit organization and we receive NO taxpayer money. Our 83 offices are funded by 600,000 annual dues-paying ACLU members. Respectfully, XXXXXXX"

Reply from me again

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"Mr. XXXXXXXXXXXX, Thank you for your quick reply and also for answering most of my questions. I still have an unanswered question (and I'll slightly re-phrase it) that you may have overlooked from my previous note and an additional one which I would be very appreciative if you can respond to them: 1. What civil rights has Steve Bizzell taken away from anyone through his comments regarding the explosion of the illegal immigration population? 2. From the Civil Rights Act of 1964 Sec. 201 it states: "All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin or sex." I am assuming that your organization is a public service, so please correct me if I am wrong. I would like to know if you can also offer your support to Steve Bizzell regarding the 1st Amendment to our Constitution, Freedom of Speech. Lest you be contradicting what your entire organization stands for. Thank you again for your time."

Reply from them:

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"Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, Lest you think I'm trying to avoid your questions, I'll try and tackle these head-on. 1. Thus far, we haven't alleged that Sheriff Bizzell has taken anyone's rights away unlawfully. However, given the racial nature of his statements--for which, to his credit, he has apologized--we have asked for a copy of public records (to which, under law, we are entitled) to determine if his officers have been abiding by the laws as they pertain to checkpoints, arrests, etc. The state racial profiling law requires sheriffs to keep such records, and we are asking to review the records. 2. Sheriff Bizzell absolutely has a right to say what he wants under the First Amendment, no matter how offensive he might be, and the ACLU would defend his right to say it. You're corresponding with an office that represented the KKK and the Black Panthers in the same year. We may not agree with what someone has to say, but we are hardly a politically correct organization, and we will always defend someone's right to speak their mind, no matter how ignorant or wrongheaded their position may be. But the sheriff also has a constitutional obligation to enforce the law without respect to race, and his comments raised questions about whether or not he was actually upholding that obligation. Instead of accusing him of violating any law, we have chosen to take the prudent step of examining the data. And just to clarify, the term "free speech" traditionally refers to the ability of an individual to speak freely without government interference or threat of government retaliation of some kind. The ACLU is a private, non-profit organization; we are not a governmental entity. We are exercising our free speech rights, just as Sheriff Bizzell has chosen to exercise his, to present an alternate view to the vicious and hateful rhetoric coming out of Johnston County."

Final reply from me (have not hear back):

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" Mr. XXXXXXXXXXX, Thanks again for your quick correspondence. I realize that your job is to defend the ACLU, regardless of how much racial tensions your organization may stir up, because your job depends on them succeeding. Your comment about your organization defending the Ku Klux Klan and the Black Panthers in the same year is absolutely repulsive. This kind of rhetoric absolutely turns my stomach and is blatant evidence that your organization is not out to help anyone, but rather infuriate both sides. I would even venture to guess that your organization makes their profits from pitting different cultures against one another through settlements and lawsuits in the court room rather than trying to find a solution to the real problem. Your investigation of Steve Bizzell is most certainly reprehensible, as you have no evidence that any civil rights have been violated, and furthermore once he has been cleared of any allegations that you have thrust upon him unjustly I would hope that your organization will apologize publicly to him and the citizens of North Carolina. I have copied and pasted the official ACLU statement regarding my questions below so that you may reference them: "You're corresponding with an office that represented the KKK and the Black Panthers in the same year. We may not agree with what someone has to say, but we are hardly a politically correct organization, and we will always defend someone's right to speak their mind, no matter how ignorant or wrongheaded their position may be." Thanks again, XXXXXXXXX"

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM. Reason : x]

9/9/2008 5:27:45 PM

Steve Bizzell is my hero



[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 9:40 PM. Reason : ,,,]

9/9/2008 5:28:51 PM

You aren't doing so hot in that argument

9/9/2008 5:30:15 PM

First post on TWW????

9/9/2008 5:31:51 PM

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"You aren't doing so hot in that argument"

9/9/2008 5:32:50 PM

wilso, yes I could have done better I'm no lawyer.

9/9/2008 5:38:09 PM

Najja Baptist is that you?

9/9/2008 5:44:59 PM

i don't care about the topic of this thread

9/9/2008 5:46:12 PM

you cant fight city hall

9/9/2008 5:49:46 PM

their email address for anyone who is interested to send them information on why they are out of their minds is aclunc@nc.rr.com

Pretty weak to have a road runner address if you ask me, especially if you are defending civil rights.

9/9/2008 5:51:10 PM

What was weak was your arguments

9/9/2008 5:52:29 PM

of course they were weak or else I wouldn't get a response, I hope I at the very least got my point across to them however, but I highly doubt it.

The main point is they are stirring shit up that shouldn't be stirred.. How about going for a solution.. that email I got about representing the KKK and the Black Panthers was the stupidest shit I've ever seen in my life.

4 posts, suck it.

9/9/2008 5:55:36 PM

Uh... last I checked, both the KKK and the Black Panthers have rights enumerated under the Constitution.

You're probably the kind of twit who thought John Adams was a traitor for representing the British soldiers of the Boston Massacre. If you even know what I'm talking about.

9/9/2008 5:56:53 PM

I HOPE THIS ISN'T ALLUDING to SARAH PALIN.

9/9/2008 5:58:22 PM

Listen up to me, DrSteveChaos, I've been suspended for lesser offenses, so please keep a civil tone with me or I'll report your ass to the highest of authorities.

and yeah, he was a fucking TRAITOR like a mothafucka!

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/9/2008 5:59:12 PM

why do you need an alias

9/9/2008 6:07:11 PM

Dumping TSB threads into ChitChat for why?

9/9/2008 6:08:59 PM

apparently you didn't read my post right above yours, I've been suspended for disagreeing with the mods. there is absolutely nothing I can do but have to get an alias. Let me know if you can comprehend what I am typing, or if I need further descriptions of the matter.

9/9/2008 6:10:11 PM

You don't have a point, moron.


People like you get all bent out of shape by the ACLU when you don't agree with them.


Unfortunately you're a part of the vast majority of Americans only believe in Constitutional rights when they're in line with their own opinion.

The sole reason that the ACLU exists is to protect those rights and freedoms to the death, regardless of who they happen to be in favor of.

The ACLU is a color, gender, and religion free enforcement vehicle for the American way of life. They are strict in their interpretation of the Constitution and other laws for a reason.

In reference to the article itself:

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"“Blanket assertions like this about an entire class of people, again despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, if put into practice, are the very essence of racial and ethnic profiling by law enforcement that are prohibited by state law,” said Jennifer Rudginer, executive director of the ACLU in North Carolina.”"

Bizzell wasn't being interviewed as a normal person - whom the ACLU would represent without qualm if he were to be fired from his job for such inflammatory remarks, he was being interviewed as an official representative of the Johnston County Sheriff's Department.

As a result his comments can be construed that the JCSD has taken a stance to "combat" the growing hispanic population that would be contrary to state law.



If it disgusts you that the ACLU plays both sides of the coin, then you're too fucking stupid to understand the point of the ACLU and shouldn't open your mouth about it.

9/9/2008 6:12:09 PM

you are right, kiljadn.

The ACLU has increased my standard of living exponentially.. I owe them my life for all the greatness that they have accomplished. Accomplishments are abound for the ACLU! Especially in NC.

9/9/2008 6:14:11 PM

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"Najja Baptist"

my creation lives on to this day on the wolf web. i actually feel kinda honored that it was such a huge success and is a cult phenomenon.

9/9/2008 6:18:00 PM

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"You aren't doing so hot in that argument"

9/9/2008 6:18:14 PM

The ACLU as a group has done more for you and your rights as an American citizen than all of the duly-elected representatives representing you during your lifetime.


Get off your high horse and do some fucking research.

9/9/2008 6:18:52 PM

i done told you how awesome you are, I've even bowed down in front of my computer with your screen name there. They have done wonders for my life, and it has been greatly improved much more so than my elected officials.

9/9/2008 6:21:40 PM

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"As a result his comments can be construed that the JCSD has taken a stance to "combat" the growing hispanic population that would be contrary to state law."

So his comments can be taken to mean that he intends to do his job and enforce the law? He expressed disdain at a particular class of criminal. If the town were inundated with so many drug dealers that 10% of the population were drug traffickers and he said "god damn it I hate all these drug traffickers trafficking their drugs" should he be investigated for being potentially biased against drug traffickers?

From what I've seen, I don't believe there is anything ethically wrong with his statements. His problem is with the fact that they are illegal aliens, not with the fact that they're Mexican.

That said, if the ACLU wants to waste their time on stupid shit like this, let them.

9/9/2008 6:28:38 PM

^^so was your wolfweb name created specifically to be ironic with this thread?

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/9/2008 6:28:52 PM

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""god damn it I hate all these drug traffickers trafficking their drugs" should he be investigated for being potentially biased against drug traffickers?"

drug traffickers != race

9/9/2008 6:31:56 PM

His comments were predominantly about illegal immigrants. His reference to the fact that they were mexican and their mexican culture was not in itself derogatory.

9/9/2008 6:34:58 PM

k

9/9/2008 6:37:44 PM

everyone stop responding to 69 please

9/9/2008 6:38:52 PM

this guy just got pwned in that correspondence


way to go fucktard

9/9/2008 6:39:09 PM

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" you cant fight city hall"

You can't fight corporate Amer-i-ca!

They are big and we are small!

You can't fight city hall!

9/9/2008 6:39:39 PM

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"Listen up to me, DrSteveChaos, I've been suspended for lesser offenses, so please keep a civil tone with me or I'll report your ass to the highest of authorities."

Oh gnoes! Which authority is that, by the way? Jesus?

And if your panties are in a wad over me calling you a twit - well, I'd just stop posting now. That was fairly genteel, given the circumstances.

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"and yeah, he was a fucking TRAITOR like a mothafucka!"

...and now we know you're just fucking with us entirely.

Thread over.

9/9/2008 6:39:48 PM

I'd be a card-carrying member of the ACLU if it weren't for their stand on the 2nd Amendment

9/9/2008 6:41:06 PM

Dr. Steve, or should I just call you The smartest man alive Steve, please stick to the topic of this thread, which is the ACLU is worthless.

9/9/2008 6:43:52 PM

ahahahah you got owned by the ACLU.

You should email them and ask if thats a violation of your civil rights... being owned like that and all.

9/9/2008 6:44:22 PM

well when talking to ACLU you had better watch your P's and Q's or else you got to jail and because you are sincerely concerned about what the fuck they are trying to accomplish. They have the power and don't you ever try to talk down to them, word of advice for all of you.

not to mention how the ACLU represents the KKK and Black Panthers in the same year. Hooray for justice and taking a stance!!!

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 6:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/9/2008 6:46:35 PM

it's ignorant fucks like you i have a problem with

if you actually understood what the ACLU does (and has done in the past) to protect civil liberties, you'd shut your fucking mouth.

from your arguments, i gather that you think everyone's entitled to free speech... as long as what they say isn't offensive or politically incorrect and correlates with your views and opinions.


i will quote the following statements, as, kiljadn, you are spot on. i couldn't have said it better myself.

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"The sole reason that the ACLU exists is to protect those rights and freedoms to the death, regardless of who they happen to be in favor of. The ACLU is a color, gender, and religion free enforcement vehicle for the American way of life. They are strict in their interpretation of the Constitution and other laws for a reason."

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"The ACLU as a group has done more for you and your rights as an American citizen than all of the duly-elected representatives representing you during your lifetime."

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 6:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/9/2008 6:56:11 PM

would you like a hug evan?

9/9/2008 6:57:31 PM

^^ correct .. get real real mad

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .]

9/9/2008 6:57:51 PM

hahha.. i bet this guy was like.


" im a post this on the wolf web so i can show them how i pwned this guy " ...when in reality he was too fucking stupid to realize that he was being pwned left and right

9/9/2008 6:59:35 PM

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"he was too fucking stupid to realize that he was being pwned left and right"

9/9/2008 6:59:59 PM

anyways, double post be damned, I know you people that believe the ACLU is making a difference, more power to you. Point to one single thing they've improved your life on, or at least someone elses, then point to how much money they take in by settling out of court.

Speak for yourselves when you tell me to do my research. Good luck, and go American Civil Liberties Union.

9/9/2008 7:00:41 PM

hay guyz i figured it out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

9/9/2008 7:01:11 PM

what do they call a retarded douche ?

9/9/2008 7:02:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retarded_Douche ?

9/9/2008 7:03:03 PM

RacialHarmny, I would like for you to know that evan has made plans to rape you. Given your attitude in this thread, I have decided to assist evan in his pursuits by drugging you and delivering you to his house.

that is all

9/9/2008 7:03:19 PM

oh wow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RacialHarmny

[Edited on September 9, 2008 at 7:05 PM. Reason : ^i don't live in an apartment ]

9/9/2008 7:05:00 PM

fixed

9/9/2008 7:06:25 PM

set em up

9/9/2008 7:07:54 PM