http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5778018&page=1

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"On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if that nation invades another country. "

Yeah, let's have a ticket with a bunch of war-mongering, reckless candidates with the evangelical nation of America as the wind behind their backs.

I'm legitimately frightened.


[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 6:18 PM. Reason : - ]

9/11/2008 6:16:43 PM

The sad thing is this will probably help her out overall.

Also, does there really need to be so many threads related to the 08 election? I'm sure this could have been put in one of the others...

9/11/2008 6:19:04 PM

I notice you just edited out the part where Palin points out that she was responding within the context of NATO.

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"When Gibson said if under the NATO treaty, the United States would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help. "

Collective defense is pretty much the whole point of NATO. If Georgia ever comes "under the NATO treaty," we will be obligated by our agreement to respond with military action. It doesn't matter whether you're a hawk or a dove, that's the deal we made. I suppose a fanatically dovish president could pull out of NATO, which may be the only thing worse than following through with our obligation.

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ]

9/11/2008 6:21:39 PM

^I wouldn't put it past Obama.

9/11/2008 6:40:01 PM

Sorry but she never says 'if Georgia is a NATO country'...that's why I pulled that quote out.

Also Palin said Russia was "unprovoked" in Georgia - even the Georgian government admitted that they took military actions in S. Osettia immediately before the Russian military incursion. To say that they were "unprovoked" contradicts their own position as well as comes off as saber rattling hawk. Big surprise.

9/11/2008 6:42:46 PM

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"Also, does there really need to be so many threads related to the 08 election? I'm sure this could have been put in one of the others..."

you dipshit idiot

this is the political forum and the presidential election is in less than two months

GOD FORBID PEOPLE MAKE THREADS ABOUT THE ELECTION IN THE POLITICAL SECTION.......

Next week you will be complaining that people are posting suggestions in the feedback forum or trying to sell shit in classifieds.

9/11/2008 6:45:31 PM

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"On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if that nation invades another country."

That is some scary shit.

9/11/2008 6:54:48 PM

Dude, now the crazy rears its head

I don't know about you, but I'm not fighting a war against Russia over Ukraine or Georgia.




[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 7:07 PM. Reason : /]

9/11/2008 7:04:08 PM

Looks like Darth Cheney found his successor.

Git-er-Dun Palin

9/11/2008 7:08:57 PM

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"war with Russia may be necessary if that nation invades another country."

How is that threatening Russia? Are you that fucking delusional? Yes Russia, if you start invading your democratically elected neighbors we may have to go to war with you. She is such a hawk.

9/11/2008 7:14:23 PM

How is that threatening us? What do we care about Georgia and Ukraine? We can let them join NATO so we can funnel billions of military aid to them and possibly start WWIII? No thank you.

9/11/2008 7:18:16 PM

Because maybe don't like seeing our friend invaded by our enemies? Maybe we, you know, should help a free people no matter their nationality.

9/11/2008 7:28:03 PM

Lets start with Sudan then.

9/11/2008 7:51:49 PM

Kainen, you fucking dipshit. She didnt need to say 'If Georgia were a Nato country'. That was the fucking question.

"Palin told Charles Gibson of ABC News that she'd favor including Georgia and Ukraine, both former Soviet republics, in NATO despite opposition by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Asked whether the United States would have to go to war with Russia if it invaded Georgia, and the country was part of NATO, Palin said: "Perhaps so."

per wiki:
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO); French: Organisation du Traité de l'Atlantique Nord (OTAN); (also called the North Atlantic Alliance, the Atlantic Alliance, or the Western Alliance) is a military alliance established by the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty on 4 April 1949. The NATO headquarters are in Brussels, Belgium, [3] and the organization constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defence in response to an attack by any external party.

Palin has created a big pile of shit for Obama to step in. She answered the question correctly as to our commitment to NATO countries. If Obama counters that, it will weaken even further more his foreign policy knowledge, as well as his desires to follow through with America's international commitments.

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 8:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/11/2008 7:55:17 PM

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"Lets start with Sudan then."

We should have gone into Africa along time ago. Sadly, Africa is probably the only place left in the world were the USA is generally liked. Hell, a vast majority of Liberians wanted us to come in, with our military, and stop the war in that country. That sentiment is generally shared by a lot of other African nationalities that have seen bloody wars/civil wars. Sadly, most of sub-Saharan Africa has no oil.

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"GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia? PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help. "

So threatening...

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]

9/11/2008 8:04:19 PM

If Russia invades Ukraine and the UK/French/Germans roll out the tanks with us collaborating, that is one thing. However, if it is just this bitch Palin tooting her horn "GET OUT OR ELSE RUSSIA, USA #1 IS COMING FOR U"; than i am moving to fucking Australia to wait out WWIII

9/11/2008 8:14:03 PM

She didnt say it would be unilateral force. In fact, since the question was in context to NATO , I would say that a collective force is automatically inferred, unless you are just looking for another reason to hate her.

9/11/2008 8:25:25 PM

I'd much rather vote for the guy who would rather blame russias problems on americans and play them down, while he's sucking some putin cock.

btw. keep up this palin hate. you democrats are beside yourselves. you have no idea what to do about her. all you do is react violently and show your true colors on a daily basis.

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"than i am moving to fucking Australia to wait out WWIII"

1. than
2. remember, they are only a a little bit further from a libertarian free market society, so have fun

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 8:50 PM. Reason : a]

9/11/2008 8:48:08 PM

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"We should have gone into Africa along time ago. Sadly, Africa is probably the only place left in the world were the USA is generally liked. Hell, a vast majority of Liberians wanted us to come in, with our military, and stop the war in that country. That sentiment is generally shared by a lot of other African nationalities that have seen bloody wars/civil wars. Sadly, most of sub-Saharan Africa has no oil."

Maybe Africa is the only place in the world where we are generally liked because we haven't been as involved there.

Sure, they ask for us. Once we started "going in" as we have in other places, in a few years, they would feel the same as the rest of the world does.

9/11/2008 8:59:51 PM

isolationism. i could go for that for another 5 years until we get another hitler. it would be awesome this time with the intercontinental missile technology.

9/11/2008 9:07:32 PM

CarZin > Kainen

9/11/2008 10:07:52 PM

oh come on! I even like carzin, don't do that!

9/11/2008 10:49:57 PM

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"Maybe Africa is the only place in the world where we are generally liked because we haven't been as involved there. Sure, they ask for us. Once we started "going in" as we have in other places, in a few years, they would feel the same as the rest of the world does."

Because we go into Europe so often, that must be why we are hated there the most... right.

More likely, it's because Africans have just recently experienced what real imperialism is, and realize, contrary to some peoples beliefs, America is not a imperialist state.

And we are in Africa now, in larger forces than probably 99% of America realizes. Yet they don't hate us, in fact the Military's work in Africa has probably done a lot to improve our image there.

9/11/2008 10:56:33 PM

Why do both candidates want to risk getting nuked over some 3rd world country full of Borats?

9/11/2008 10:56:56 PM

That was a strained interview. I thought she did OK on substance though I could tell she didn't trust him to be fair. He acted annoyed with everything she said.

9/11/2008 11:38:54 PM

So McCain has agreed to put Obama on his cabinet, and Palin is willing to go to war with Russia over a NATO backed Georgia.

Some of you are worried about this election, but I'm not. You will see the Republican bump reduce back into the republican slump that we know it is.

The Republican ticket has now entered bargaining mode, the first sign of troubles ahead.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 8:48 AM. Reason : -]

9/12/2008 8:45:11 AM

Today, we are all GeorgianS

9/12/2008 8:53:01 AM

"So McCain has agreed to put Obama on his cabinet, and Palin is willing to go to war with Russia over a NATO backed Georgia.

Some of you are worried about this election, but I'm not. You will see the Republican bump reduce back into the republican slump that we know it is.

The Republican ticket has now entered bargaining mode, the first sign of troubles ahead. "

Keep dreaming.

9/12/2008 9:06:09 AM

theres no way mccain would actually follow through and do that. whats he going to say, no?



and gg palin. political analysts across the media praised her performance following the interview. you dont see that everyday on cnn/msnbc.

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"war-mongering, reckless candidates ... I'm legitimately frightened. "

ill feel a lot safer having a retired naval officer, war veteran, and 6 term congressman in control ... who happened to support Reagan in congress as he single handily took down the soviet union without firing a single shot. .. and a vice president with more executive experience then the opposing presidential candidate

9/12/2008 9:40:42 AM

^Well, it's tough to figure out who is better prepared. The candidate who:

thinks Iraq borders Pakistan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4

OR

the one who thinks Al-Qaeda and Iran are working together - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfM7z0-Vdg

"Experience" in the military and in foreign affairs over the last 30 years is exactly what I don't want. That "experience" only teaches them how to waste money and American lives on needless, stupid wars like Vietnam, the first Gulf War, and now Iraq, along with needless, stupid interventions like Grenada, Kosovo, Somalia, El Salvador, etc.

Anybody who was involved with any of those is trained to make bad decisions, and is not someone I want getting us into more conflicts just like them.

9/12/2008 10:32:47 AM

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"ill feel a lot safer having a retired naval officer, war veteran, and 6 term congressman in control ... who happened to support Reagan in congress as he single handily took down the soviet union without firing a single shot. .. and a vice president with more executive experience then the opposing presidential candidate"

when we find that combination, let me know.

right now i see a

a man who earned his position as an officer by being one of the last five in his class, and went on to further exemplify his poor classroom naval training by crashing 5 expensive naval planes and managing to get himself captured the last time. who then became a congressman and became entrenched with lobbyist and surrounded by scandals (i.e. keating 5) and demonstrated his true colors when be became a reformed reformer once he realized he lost the past election...and a vice president whose notable achievements in foreign policy that are trumpeted include "being really close in proximity to russia"

9/12/2008 10:36:26 AM

^I hadn't heard he crashed 5 planes, just the one that was shot down. So I looked it up on factcheck.org and they said:

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"McCain did lose two Navy aircraft while piloting them, both due to engine failure. A third was destroyed on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal when hit by a missile fired accidentally from another plane, triggering a disastrous fire that killed 134 sailors and nearly killed McCain. A fourth plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi. There's no evidence that any of the four destroyed planes were lost to pilot error. A fifth alleged "crash" turns out to be a misinterpretation of a biographer's description of a flight accident that did not result in the loss of the aircraft. More about that later."

All of which sounds like extremely shitty luck, not necessarily poor training.

9/12/2008 11:42:09 AM

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" went on to further exemplify his poor classroom naval training by crashing 5 expensive naval planes and managing to get himself captured the last time."

and you were talking about somebody else trolling in another thread

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 11:45:47 AM

He is just reciting the same piece of shameful garbage that has been posted on every anti McCain site. They reprint the same article over and over again.

I especially love how they give him credit for a crash when his plane was ON DECK and shot by a missle. That alone should discredit those highly biased statements about his aviation career.

In any event, his Navy record is fair game. He is running on it. So its fair for people to ask questions. Of course, it makes you look like a jack ass when you repeat crap that you dont fact check.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 11:46:05 AM

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"and went on to further exemplify his poor classroom naval training by crashing 5 expensive naval planes and managing to get himself captured the last time."

See, you just make yourself look like a Democrat mass email douche bag when you say shit like this.

McCain did lose two Navy aircraft while piloting them, both due to engine failure. A third was destroyed on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal when hit by a missile fired accidentally from another plane, triggering a disastrous fire that killed 134 sailors and nearly killed McCain. A fourth plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi. There's no evidence that any of the four destroyed planes were lost to pilot error.

9/12/2008 11:52:59 AM

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"and you were talking about somebody else trolling in another thread"

please explain how my comment equates to trolling, since it is all information that is true and for the most part relevant. i can openly admit that i had read about his five planes before. I didn't have the information at the time related to how they went down, or were destroyed. this is my error, but i neither introduced false information nor was intentionally misleading.

also, by far and by large the republicans are on the mass mail attack agenda. i've never ran into a single democrat based one but have seen many republican ones.

9/12/2008 12:13:05 PM

Funny, because most of the tripe you spew out is almost verbatim from them. But to be fair, you probably get it from a blog/website that just copies and pastes from the email, and you copy from them.

9/12/2008 1:20:50 PM

I enjoy watching all these clip-cloppers show up to defend horrid statements by their candidate. Statements they would jump all over the opposition for.

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"There's a bit more on Georgia and Ukraine and NATO. What Obama and Biden favor is for NATO to offer these two countries accession to the "Membership Action Plan" (or MAP), a process set up in the late 1990s to help aspirant countries prepare for possible membership in the Alliance. MAP isn't a promise of membership, and the last members to join NATO were in MAP for nearly a decade. It would take at least as long for Ukraine and Georgia to become members of NATO, not least since one of the criterion for membership is that there are no territorial disputes involving the country that is requesting membership... A lot of mumbo jumbo on NATO accession procedures, this. But here's the kicker: What Palin said is that Ukraine and Georgia should become NATO members now. Not even Bush is arguing that. (He, too, favors MAP.) McCain was with Bush on this until recently and, I assume, if asked still is. Palin didn't know the distinction, and is suggesting that these countries get into NATO tomorrow. She may not realize that this is a decision that NATO members need to make collectively, all 27 of them, which won't happen, given that MAP was denied the countries just a few months ago..."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/216202.php

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 1:21:51 PM

How was this a horrible statement? If the Ukraine or Georgia was part of NATO and Russia attacked them, should we go to war? and she said yes....

I would be pissed if Obama, or anyone, said that they wouldn't honor the alliance.

The idiocy of some of the people in this thread is incredible.

9/12/2008 1:29:54 PM

War with Russia means one thing and one thing only. MAD.

9/12/2008 1:32:35 PM

AWESOME!

CAUSE WE'D TOTALLY WIN!

9/12/2008 1:33:38 PM

^^^Alliance or not, I would at least like to see hesitation at the thought of potentially causing a world-ending war.

v Agreed. While I want a leader to hesitate when it comes to the actual event, it would be crazy for a politician not to put on a strong front when asked a question like this in a speculative interview. Palin might be the primary reason I won't be voting for McCain, but that's not got anything to do with this interview. She said the right things.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 1:33:53 PM

Ytsejam, dont worry about it. The only people who are pissed off about her statements are people that would never vote for McCain/Palin. I think that her statements would be considered reasonable by the majority of the 20% undecided, and probably by a decent number of democrats (if they are really honest with themselves).

Im pretty thrilled with what I have read so far about the interview. Doesnt appear to have made any major gaffes.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 1:34 PM. Reason : /]

9/12/2008 1:34:19 PM

^^^^ exactly.

and if obama and his weaker than weak sauce stance on world issues takes the oval office he'll gladly let us slip into cold war II. NO WONDER OBAMA HAS THE HIGHER APPROVAL RATING IN RUSSIA!! we'll I'll be darned!

We need somebody to nip it in the bud. not let it fester and turn into something worse.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 1:35:26 PM

World War III would never be considered reasonable by anyone except for the most deranged.

Maybe its because of Palin's too close connection with Joel's Army that she is willing to bring about armamgedon.


^We won the last cold war. There will be no winners in a war with Russia.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 1:36:20 PM

FOUR MORE WARS!

FOUR MORE WARS!

FOUR MORE WARS!

9/12/2008 1:36:42 PM

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"if obama and his weaker than weak sauce stance on world issues takes the oval office he'll gladly let us slip into cold war II"

Umm... not sure if I see what you're trying to say here.

In almost every possible regard, a Cold War 2 would be MUCH MUCH MUCH better than a World War 3.

In fact, CWII could help our economy substantially.

9/12/2008 1:38:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKs-bTL-pRg

9/12/2008 1:44:53 PM

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"Funny, because most of the tripe you spew out is almost verbatim from them. But to be fair, you probably get it from a blog/website that just copies and pastes from the email, and you copy from them. "

Really? thats surprising to me, because as I have said i have never seen one. If you would like, in here or any an entirely new thread dedicated to it, quote things i have said on tww and then post up excerpts from these democrat chains. if you have them in your email that should be easy, and if you do not then i'm sure that you can surely google whatever it is you need to find and display them accordingly so we can see my words and how they nearly verbatim cite the trash you of which you accuse me of perpetuating.

9/12/2008 2:11:21 PM

I don't think Palin was being irrational or unreasonable by any means. My point was that both Palin and McCain are grasping at straws to find some type of universal appeal. Don't focus so much on the words themselves, instead focus on the concepts presented with the words. Neither Palin or McCain can compete against Obama and Biden once the debates commence. You'll see, without their scripted answers, both Palin and McCain will be unable to go toe-to-toe against the single greatest leader of our time, the President of the future, the one, Obama.

Rock the Vote!

9/12/2008 2:37:59 PM