I really find the rights recent turn on the Palin sexism issue to be disgusting. They were on the other side of the fence and speaking out against hillary when she was making these clearly unsubstantiated claims within her own party yet now they are pulling the same card. the republicans tend to do this often. they will rag and often slander those on the left and assert that person's opinion and/or actions are morally decrepit, and then later defend the same thing for themselves. its one of the first rules in the book "the prince", you accuse your opponent of what it is your doing. it is also morally inconsistent and devoid of sound reason.

http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086

the link is five minutes, and sums it up nicely with examples of previous takes


[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 9:54 AM. Reason : link]

9/12/2008 9:53:55 AM

sorry to rain on your parade, it's been posted in TSB and chit chat....

9/12/2008 9:58:39 AM

the republicans all politicians tend to do this often

edit: actually I may be mis-speaking. many politicians do, but its mostly partisan pundits, commentators, etc.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:10 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 9:59:29 AM

if you get your news from john stewart, you should lose the right to vote

9/12/2008 9:59:39 AM

oh get off your high horse about john stewart. it's a sad look at the hypocrisy in politics in general, and sometimes, because the mainstream media has their heads so far up their asses, it takes people like john stewart and steven colbert to point this shit out.

9/12/2008 10:02:32 AM

john stewart is a fucking comedian who reports fake news ..

9/12/2008 10:09:15 AM

This isn't an attack on politicians. This is an attack on ALL the fucking idiots on the right who side with their party without thinking for themselves. Fucking open your eyes and make a choice for yourself instead of blindly following whatever the people in charge tell you.

TKE, the fact that you won't even respond to the content of the video is exemplary of everything that is wrong with conservative politics in this country. YOU PEOPLE are fucking idiots.

9/12/2008 10:21:26 AM

no the republicans were defending hillary last i checked.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:23 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 10:22:51 AM

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"no the republicans were defending hillary last i checked."

wat? Seriously, GTFO.

9/12/2008 10:24:23 AM

let's be honest here. i know that rarely happens here, but look:

1) hillary is pissed she didn't win. so is bill. you really think she wants obama to win and force her to wait 8 years to run for president again?? no.

2) continued bashing on palin is awesome. i encourage it. it only shows how thugish the democrats have become. it's ok, if you're sensible, you still don't have to vote for them, it's not too late.

9/12/2008 10:29:59 AM

the republican party panders to the willfully ignorant

THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR

that's why they're successful and why it's constantly an uphill battle for the democrats

9/12/2008 10:35:43 AM

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"let's be honest here. i know that rarely happens here, but look: 1) hillary is pissed she didn't win. so is bill. you really think she wants obama to win and force her to wait 8 years to run for president again?? no. 2) continued bashing on palin is awesome. i encourage it. it only shows how thugish the democrats have become. it's ok, if you're sensible, you still don't have to vote for them, it's not too late."

i'm just going to quote this in case you realize how completely retarded you are and try to edit

9/12/2008 10:36:27 AM

if everything thats wrong with conservative politics is the fact that i dont respect a biased comedian who reports fake news as a part of his act, then, id say were doing pretty good

9/12/2008 10:36:46 AM

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"no the republicans were defending hillary last i checked."

yep...they figured it would be easier for the republicans to win if it was against hillary as opposed to obama, so they defended hillary in the hopes that she would get the nomination...this really wasnt that long ago, you must be stoned as fuck if you dont remember

9/12/2008 10:39:02 AM

Isn't it funny how with a black man and a woman in this race, just about the only ones not throwing around racist/sexist allegations are those two?

9/12/2008 10:41:33 AM

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"This is an attack on ALL the fucking idiots on the right who side with their party without thinking for themselves. Fucking open your eyes and make a choice for yourself instead of blindly following whatever the people in charge tell you. "

so you would rather these people vote for Obama? Are you saying that people on the left have opened their eyes and are voting for the "correct" choice?

Saying that one party has some kind of moral high-ground and integrity as opposed to the other is kinda laughable to me.

Personally I think anyone voting for either major party candidate needs to open their eyes!


I do realize you may not have been saying that the left and Obama are superior, but just that conservatives are hypocrites.

Instead of saying that "Conservatives are hypocrites" can't we just say "Politicians are Hypocrites"

9/12/2008 10:41:52 AM

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"if you get your news from john stewart, you should lose the right to vote"

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"john stewart is a fucking comedian who reports fake news .."

news reported with a comedic slant does not necessarily require the news to be fake. these are all legitimate clips taken from what these republican pundits and campaign spokesmen have said. There is no getting around there. When someone has the capability of understanding the real life absurdity of a situation even when expressed through what is often times comedic satire i think that shows they have a sound analytic and evaluative perception, which in many ways makes their vote more reasonable and thought out, in contrast to blindly partisan.

^i think its different when applied to republicans because as of part of their qualification and their stance they use their moral eliteness to defend themselves and assert that the other party has absolutely none. when you use that as a qualification of your party's benefit towards policy its fair for it to be examined and criticized closely.

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"you must be stoned as fuck if you dont remember"

pot, meet kettle. I think the video depicts otherwise. someone explain to me how these unedited videos make for "fake news"





[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 10:42:09 AM

how can you follow a party which looks to that toad, Karl Rove, for political advice?

he is a disgusting human being

9/12/2008 10:43:17 AM

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"if everything thats wrong with conservative politics is the fact that i dont respect a biased comedian who reports fake news as a part of his act, then, id say were doing pretty good"

No. This is not an act. He pulled clips from different right-wing pundits saying one thing in the past in order to criticize Democrats but they do a complete 180 when it's the exact same scenario being applied to a Republican. It's blatant hypocrisy and you're an ignorant son of a bitch for failing to realize how ignorant you are.

9/12/2008 10:44:23 AM

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"yep...they figured it would be easier for the republicans to win if it was against hillary as opposed to obama, so they defended hillary in the hopes that she would get the nomination...this really wasnt that long ago, you must be stoned as fuck if you dont remember"

oh i guess HeIsStoned420 lol


i hope all liberal minds don't have this short of a memory

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 10:44:29 AM

john stewart calls the show "fake news" himself.

That said, it's not fake news.

9/12/2008 10:45:17 AM

^ so he is rush limbaugh for liberals?

fake news. but not fake one bit.

9/12/2008 10:46:57 AM

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"^ [user] terdferguson[/user],i think its different when applied to republicans because as of part of their qualification and their stance they use their moral eliteness to defend themselves and assert that the other party has absolutely none. when you use that as a qualification of your party's benefit towards policy its fair for it to be examined and criticized closely. Quote : "you must be stoned as fuck if you dont remember" pot, meet kettle. I think the video depicts otherwise. someone explain to me how these unedited videos make for "fake news" "

it got lost in the fray

9/12/2008 10:46:59 AM

man i wish i had some comedy shows to give me MY political marching orders

9/12/2008 10:48:30 AM

^^^^^ There might be a point there if it weren't Democrats voting for who will be at the top of their ticket. But they did vote for it. So it doesn't matter two shits what Republicans want. That's like saying the left was trying to get Tom Tancredo the Republican nomination because he would be easier to beat.

^ You would actually have to give a fuck enough to vote to take orders.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:51 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2008 10:49:07 AM

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"You would actually have to give a fuck enough to vote to take orders."

yeah and for that to happen, there would actually have to be a candidate worth voting for...forgive me for not being hoodwinked when some shallow puppet blows smoke up my ass about hope...i actually think for myself instead of blindly following the party

9/12/2008 10:52:08 AM

More hypocrisy from the right right here

9/12/2008 10:53:12 AM

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"This isn't an attack on politicians. This is an attack on ALL the fucking idiots on the right who side with their party without thinking for themselves. Fucking open your eyes and make a choice for yourself instead of blindly following whatever the people in charge tell you. TKE, the fact that you won't even respond to the content of the video is exemplary of everything that is wrong with conservative politics in this country. YOU PEOPLE are fucking idiots. "

more hypocrisy from the left

9/12/2008 10:54:51 AM

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"TKETreeTwista10, the fact that you won't even respond to the content of the video is exemplary of everything that is wrong with conservative politics in this country. YOU PEOPLE are fucking idiots."

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:57 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2008 10:57:27 AM

first of all, i'm not going to watch a video at work

second of all, you're trying to make a political point using a fucking comedy show...grow up

9/12/2008 10:59:43 AM

all the name calling.

and why is it that I get the only suspend thread? lol. you guys must think duke is retarded. he CAN read you know.

see 1 post below <- my point exactly. is this the 5th or 6th time he's said "fuck you" or some random name calling just in THIS thread so far? wow

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 11:00:07 AM

The fact that you can't refute anything in the video means you lose.

The fact that you won't refute anything in the video means you're an ignorant assfuck.

The fact that you're just trolling makes you a loser.

9/12/2008 11:01:02 AM

i dont know whats worse, imstoned420's constant trolling, or him calling people idiots and hypocrites, when he is a hypocrite in every single post

9/12/2008 11:02:03 AM

^ it's ok treetwista

the dems are beside themselves with what to do with palin. she's taken the votes and polls by storm and it's just a violent chemical reaction occuring b/c they weren't plannin on this failure occuring

9/12/2008 11:04:02 AM

i'm really looking forward to talking to you guys after november.

9/12/2008 11:13:31 AM

see twista. that's my point^

in their opinion the power hungry/ tax hungry horde has already won. (in actuality he(obama) is just a glorified speech giver) but they already assume he's got the people with jobs and educations shaking in their boots giving their money to the lazy.

they don't care what the american public wants. it's all up to a handfull of men that meet daily and broadcast talking points. they get the rss feed and begin spewing and don't even care if an actual vote will be taken this year.

we might as well skip the actual election according to the hockey, baseball, soccer mom haters.



[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 11:24 AM. Reason : /]

9/12/2008 11:23:11 AM

funny how not a single person has actually responded to the clip.

9/12/2008 11:27:48 AM

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"Fucking open your eyes and make a choice for yourself instead of blindly following whatever the people in charge tell you. "

Some people want to make a choice for themselves.

I want to choose a socially liberal and economically conservative candidate.

There are very few candidates I can choose from. None will be included in the presidential debate.

9/12/2008 11:30:42 AM

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"funny how not a single person has actually responded to the clip."

it's below my paygrade to listen to comedians and compare it to relevant information about society.

until ppl like you start paying attention to stuff like limbaugh i'll pass.

9/12/2008 11:34:17 AM

^limbaugh, srsly. please make your trolling slightly less obvious because it keeps it moderately entertaining that way.

9/12/2008 11:39:09 AM

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"I want to choose a socially liberal and economically conservative candidate."

I hear you on that one. The only wholesale spending that doesn't bother me a bit is when it comes to environmental protection but otherwise I am generally in favor of allowing the individual to do with their money as they chose. I have to roll with the 'dems' because they seem to be the only ones who give a shit about long term sustainability.

9/12/2008 11:42:36 AM

^ Agreed.

Write in Ron Paul.

9/12/2008 11:44:49 AM

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"Some people want to make a choice for themselves. I want to choose a socially liberal and economically conservative candidate. There are very few candidates I can choose from. None will be included in the presidential debate. "

Yup. Once again, the Democrats and Republicans are energizing their lowest common denominator bases and making everything suck for people who don't see in black and white. I would shed a little tear of joy if both Obama and McCain got run over by a mack truck.

9/12/2008 12:14:39 PM

Recap:

1) A post showing seemingly contradictory quotes over time by the Republican party.
2) A lot of name calling and attack the source. No new data, facts, or refutation. Nothing but "yo' mama" type dishin' the dozens.

This is a sad level of discourse on a college board.

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"I have to roll with the 'dems' because they seem to be the only ones who give a shit about long term sustainability."

I have to agree with this. Moreover, I think the Republicans have made a deliberate push toward senseless consumption, in the name of profits. I'll give an example to at least provide some backup of my opinion. It's been known for 30 years that dependence on imported oil is a national security issue. The Republicans have pandered to the auto industries cries that they can't do anything to reduce fuel economy - not to mention exemptions for SUVs. What is their answer? The Strategic Petrolium Reserve - more consumption, imagine that. I have nothing against the SPR, it's just that more consumption seems to be their answer to all of America's problems.

9/12/2008 1:52:45 PM

^McCain also advocates advancements in nuclear power and increasing the number of nuclear power plants in the US. It's one of the few things I still like about the Republican side... too bad his campaign and the GOP are also tied up with advocating drilling for their big oil buddies.

9/12/2008 1:57:23 PM

Cue LoneSnark and his inane babble about how overconsumption is somehow fantastic and questions the validity of environmental protection if it means we can't consume more. . .

9/12/2008 1:59:06 PM

too bad mccains campaign and the GOP are also tied up with advocating drilling for their big oil buddies.


too bad obamas campaign and the LIBS are also tied up with advocating drilling for their OPEC oil buddies.

9/12/2008 2:20:21 PM

^ (P.S. - csharp_live seems to be the king of namecalling. He rarely provides anything new ... someone calculate a ratio of new data v.s. namecalling in his posts. I suspect it would be very low.)

9/12/2008 3:00:05 PM

Yeh. All that namecalling I've done.

9/12/2008 3:04:24 PM

Ok csharp, maybe you just need a lesson. This is how intellegent discourse is supposed to work: Theis, support, refutation, support, etc.

Refer to my post about 6 posts up: My thesis was that Republicans push consumption even when it contradicts our national security goals. To support it I talked about their resisting efforts at less consumption through MPG improvements, exempting SUVs from MPG goals, and consuming more oil through the Strategic Petrolium Reserve.

Now refer to your typical post - which I contend is just cheap sloganeering, and unsupported name calling:

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"too bad mccains campaign and the GOP are also tied up with advocating drilling for their big oil buddies. too bad obamas campaign and the LIBS are also tied up with advocating drilling for their OPEC oil buddies. "

You're in college son ... you should be able to come up with something to back up your opinions - anything? That is, if you want people to see you as anything more than just a troll ...

9/12/2008 3:53:07 PM