what are the kids using these days?

9/22/2008 9:23:18 PM

uTorrent.
(muTorrent?)

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

9/22/2008 9:23:41 PM

agreed.

9/22/2008 9:24:15 PM

they think about the music and Adobe BrainWeaver 3.5 will read the mind and MP3itize it

9/22/2008 9:24:35 PM

send an email to webmaster@riaa.org

he'll hook you up

9/22/2008 9:28:10 PM

riaa

rippin in america acoustics

9/22/2008 9:29:05 PM

uTorrent
in conjunction with
thepiratebay.org

[Edited on September 22, 2008 at 9:30 PM. Reason : let's just get that auto-link out of there.]

9/22/2008 9:30:09 PM

Limewire still does the trick for me.

9/22/2008 11:16:50 PM

I still pay for my music... is that terribly outdated?

9/22/2008 11:19:00 PM

i remember when you could search for a song and then download it

9/22/2008 11:31:37 PM

ahhhh.... Napster & Kazaa K++ over dialup. ~60 minutes per song. Que up 3-5 and go to bed. Those were the days...

9/22/2008 11:32:53 PM

^haha...so true

9/22/2008 11:33:54 PM

Quote :

"Limewire still does the trick for me."

Try Frostwire instead. Same program but less crap.

9/22/2008 11:34:00 PM

I use G2P.org, I listen to a lot of 80s rock music and it works well for that purpose.

9/22/2008 11:39:22 PM

9/22/2008 11:41:43 PM

mccain saying the fundamentals of the economy were strong, etc etc etc

9/22/2008 11:43:06 PM

Limewire FTW.

Tim what do you want, I've got it for you.

9/22/2008 11:51:52 PM

Quote :

"ahhhh.... Napster & Kazaa K++ over dialup. ~60 minutes per song. Que up 3-5 and go to bed. Those were the days... "

you must be too young to remember Scour Media Agent

if you could even find the song, that was a good start

9/22/2008 11:54:10 PM

http://www.cordeledispatch.com/homepage/local_story_264193813.html

9/22/2008 11:54:50 PM

oic

9/23/2008 12:09:46 AM

IRC

share ratios in the house

9/23/2008 12:29:44 AM

9/23/2008 12:31:19 AM

shareaza

9/23/2008 1:07:39 AM

bearshare FTL

9/23/2008 3:02:51 AM

Ruckus in combination with FairUse4WM.exe

9/23/2008 4:04:57 AM

ISO

hunt

.com

9/23/2008 6:35:34 AM

look at you guys. big shot music theives!

I still pay for all of my music. I guess I don't mind contributing to our economy.

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 7:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2008 7:45:54 AM

^who's to say people in this thread still don't buy music as well?

I still buy albums by my favorite bands, and if a new band/album comes out with 3-4 songs I know I like I usually buy it on CD. Thats not to say I don't DL singles I like when I don't like anything else by said band.

9/23/2008 7:50:50 AM

I never said that the never pay for music.

I said they steal music. Like you just said you do.

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 7:52 AM. Reason : that better wording for you?]

9/23/2008 7:52:09 AM

I'm not going to pretend that I ever buy CDs.

If I need any music I'll steal it. Fuck, I can't even buy most of the music I want a normal store. I'd have to order it off the internet. When I could just open up another tab and have it in a few minutes anyway.

When they make the button the internet that says "contribute to artist with prejudice against the RIAA", then I'll click it.

In the free world certain markets die, and others rise up. I don't buy vinyl records, and they don't make them, it's obsolete. And so is the entire recording industry. What they're doing is trying to force people, through legislation, to throw money into a ship that, by its very construction, can't keep afloat for ever.

No thanks. Develop alternative ways for me to support you or I will not do so. End of story.

9/23/2008 8:00:55 AM

uTorrent in conjunction with torrentz.com

9/23/2008 8:25:44 AM

isohunt.com

9/23/2008 8:27:58 AM

Quote :

".....it's obsolete. And so is the entire recording industry."

The entire recording industry is obsolete? That's a pretty ridiculous statement, considering that nearly every song you download is a product of the recording industry....not to mention that it's people like you that are not willing to shell out a couple bucks for a few songs that are making it a necessity for bands to make their living on the road, instead of being able to effectively sell their product like any other artist / craftsman.

9/23/2008 8:37:53 AM

mrfrog should have stopped after the first sentence.

Do you really believe what you just wrote?

9/23/2008 8:40:15 AM

Quote :

"that are making it a necessity for bands to make their living on the road, instead of being able to effectively sell their product like any other artist / craftsman."

it's always been touring>record sales as far as income

9/23/2008 9:00:11 AM

google - rapidshare "song track name"
enter

9/23/2008 9:06:00 AM

Quote :

"it's always been touring>record sales as far as income"

Yes, it's common knowledge that record labels take the lion's share of the money grossed from record sales, but you can't deny that the climate for record sales, even for independent artist has declined hugely over the past 10 years.

For example, an unsigned band may tour for months to finance a decent studio album, and years ago, they would reap the financial benefit every time one of their fans wanted their music, through a cd / tape (if you wanna take it way back) sale. Now, that album, which took hours of sweat and traveling produce, will be available to download the same day the album is released.

The electronic music era has made it all but impossible for upcoming independent bands to turn a reasonable profit from record sales. That's why it's not uncommon for bands to release their music for free download, for the sole purpose of generating more ticket sales. Unfortunately, purchasing music is a thing of the past for a lot of people.

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 9:39 AM. Reason : t]

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 9:42 AM. Reason : r]

9/23/2008 9:39:36 AM

Quote :

"but you can't deny that the climate for record sales, even for independent artist has declined hugely over the past 10 years. "

fail prices are fail

9/23/2008 9:43:59 AM

Quote :

"Yes, it's common knowledge that record labels take the lion's share of the money grossed from record sales, but you can't deny that the climate for record sales, even for independent artist has declined hugely over the past 10 years. For example, an unsigned band may tour for months to finance a decent studio album, and years ago, they would reap the financial benefit every time one of their fans wanted their music, through a cd / tape (if you wanna take it way back) sale. Now, that album, which took hours of sweat and traveling produce, will be available to download the same day the album is released. The electronic music era has made it all but impossible for upcoming independent bands to turn a reasonable profit from record sales. That's why it's not uncommon for bands to release their music for free download, for the sole purpose of generating more ticket sales. Unfortunately, purchasing music is a thing of the past for a lot of people. "

yes, but think of how many more people go to said band's concerts (and subsequently pay for tickets) because they downloaded said band's songs and decided they liked them.

sale of album = maybe $2 profit, if you're lucky
sale of concert ticket = much more, depending on how much the venue gouges you for

9/23/2008 9:49:57 AM

^ yeah it's less than $2 in most cases.

that's my logic too,

i download an asston to sample, and find new artists

if i like it, i'll go see them and pay for the ticket price.

and i go see a lot of shows.

if i hadn't downloaded it, i'd have never known about them and never bought the ticket.

it's a logic that makes me feel better about stealing.

9/23/2008 9:53:55 AM

i burn all my music































on water

9/23/2008 10:22:08 AM

Quote :

"I never said that the never pay for music. I said they steal music."

what if you just do the whole thing in reverse order? download the album...decide if you like it...buy if you do, delete if you don't (instead of buying first and ripping afterwards)

i do that sometimes

9/23/2008 10:28:09 AM

that's fine with me, but still wouldn't fly in the legal system

It doesn't personally bother me that people steal music, that's their own choice. I think it shows that they are lazy thieves, and never will I feel sorry/bad for them if they ever get caught, which I hope they do get caught.

9/23/2008 10:32:30 AM

oh, i'm not saying it would cut it in court...just saying that i find a lot less morally wrong with that particular scenario than someone who downloads everything and NEVER buys anything

i also like to support my favorite bands by going to concerts

the fact of the matter is that by downloading something you had no intention of buying in the first place, you're in no way hurting the band or the economy (unless you share that downloaded content with others)

in fact, if you purchase hard drives or digital media to store that downloaded content, you're doing more for the economy (technically) than if you hadn't downloaded OR purchased the music in the first place

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM. Reason : grammar]

9/23/2008 10:36:41 AM